3 hours ago, OfcMcCaffrey said:

You aim to solve the problem by removing the people who are trained to enforce laws and protect the public and replace them with a nervous 18 year old straight out of BMT with bigger and badder guns? Not to mention that if your insane plan was implmented what is to stop a soldier with an undiagnosed mental health issue deciding "Know what I'm up for some target practice" and opening up on other people? 

I don't want to jump into this heated conversation too much as it is not really my cup of tea, but I just wanted to mention that the part I underlined is also possible with anyone with a gun, if they have an undiagnosed mental health issue, be it army guy, police guy, pizza delivery guy, it's a bit of an unrelevant argument. Not that I condone what mister Martial Law said above, but I thought I'd clear that up! 

9 hours ago, OfcMcCaffrey said:

You aim to solve the problem by removing the people who are trained to enforce laws and protect the public and replace them with a nervous 18 year old straight out of BMT with bigger and badder guns? Not to mention that if your insane plan was implmented what is to stop a soldier with an undiagnosed mental health issue deciding "Know what I'm up for some target practice" and opening up on other people? 

I think you're just afraid that the game of target practice for officers would immediately come to an end. Secondly,  Martial Law has already been considered by your government. So I wouldn't call it "My insane plan" You need to read a bit more. Lastly, Police officers have to take physiological exams in order to be considered for the position after all they see and do on the streets do you really think they are as sane as they were before they signed up? :) hahahahah give me a break. 

9 hours ago, unr3al said:

I've never personally heard Malcom X sing happy birthday to one of his kids, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are countless documentaries on him, and lots of literature. I'd take a look at some of that stuff. If you wish to hold up Malcom X as a model on how to live a good life and be a peaceful person, you need to first look at his life in its totality. He started out as a career criminal, who only converted to Islam once he wound up in jail, as many African Americans do. After that, he was largely anti-white and was not the peace loving, brotherly person he was towards the end of his life before being killed. I'm glad that he eventually grew into a person who cared for all, but it didn't happen overnight, and he's not the Tiger Woods of compassion, so to speak. Nobody should model their life after his.
 

You'll have to ask the officer who fired the shots that question, or wait for his trial to hear a lawyer ask him. I'd put my money on the Hispanic officer who shot the African American man with a valid CCW permit on being overly nervous and not fit for the job. That doesn't make him a cold blooded murderer, contrary to what you, BLM advocates or other internet trolls might say. Unfortunately it does make him somebody who committed a homicide, as the definition of the word 'homicide' means death at the hands of another; and the officer will have to pay for it. The guy selling CD's who got shot prior to that incident on the other hand; isn't so cut and dry. Much like Eric Garner and other false martyrs in what has become a war on authority; he was painted to be a great person who wouldn't harm a fly. Then they discovered that he had a concealed gun on him. Then they discovered upon further review of the camera footage that one of his arms seems to dip to one side of his body where it is not visible, possibly towards the direction of the gun. Both of these killings likely could have been avoided had different officers handled them, and had the CD "salesman" not been carrying a concealed gun on him he had no business carrying; but things did not work out that way I'm sorry to say. On a more positive note however, think of all of the thousands of traffic stops that happen each day where people don't get shot and killed. My own mother was pulled over last week, and she's still alive, and better still; didn't receive a citation. Unfortunately, that didn't make the national news or get recorded on a cell phone camera.

 

The idea that average Americans are going to fight the U.S. government and military is ridiculous. AR-15's aren't going to do anything against armored ground vehicles and air power. Put that stupid fantasy to bed. This is not 1776, it's 2016. You're advocating for the same kind of murder you claim to be against.

There's nothing about Malcolm X that you can tell me that I don't already know. I was a member of the organization that Malcolm became Such a dominate force in. so that point was null. I have read the autobiography, watched the movie's, and watched countless  of interviews as well as speeches from Malcolm. And again I say I have never heard him say such. So I think you may need to take your advice on this one. Malcolm's philosophy wasn't to be peaceful, his philosophy was "Black Nationalism". And if you know what that means, I promise you'll change your mind about what you said. 

Now when speaking of Malcolm Most White's love to talk about the time he left the F.O.I. and went over to Mecca. They assume that from there he became a man of integration. WRONG. Malcolm kept his word that white's naturally can't get along with black so we must naturally separate.  I mean isn't that what teachers taught us in grade school? "Timmy if you can't get along with Tommy, separate from Tommy and sit next to Suzzy" 

BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE BACK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND.

So because a man has a concealed gun on him doesn't give police the right to throw a man onto a ground with out first investigating as to whether or not he had a natural right to carry his concealed weapon. so  as an officer until you first run his I.D. ask if he had a right ti carry it don't assume one doesn't.  The man had his hands up I have watched the video a dozen times and I did not see that man reach for anything what I saw was the officer falling over maybe by accident and maybe assuming that because he fell off of the man the man would then reach for his gun and thus he shot him. Now if wrong throw me Jail but I know what I saw. I saw 2 incompetent police officers who should be thrown in Jail. for life. 

 

Edited July 10, 20169 yr by NYPDDetectiveODonnell

10 hours ago, unr3al said:

No, I was just pointing out that Eric is portrayed as an innocent martyr, as are other victims of these police shootings when in fact they weren't nice, innocent guys who did absolutely nothing wrong.

That's a fair point. But on the flip side just because someone isn't innocent, doesn't mean they deserved to die

also I'm fairly sure the guy you're debating with in this thread is trolling. Just a heads up...

Edited July 10, 20169 yr by Riley24

15 hours ago, NYPDDetectiveODonnell said:

There's nothing about Malcolm X that you can tell me that I don't already know. I was a member of the organization that Malcolm became Such a dominate force in.

Which takes away your credibility to think out things with reason 100% of the time. You're getting faith and color involved, which is a bad mix. You live in America, and you can practice any religion you want, and you can feel free to dislike any skin color you want or believe that whatever skin color you like is better or incompatible with another, or however you want to spin it. But that does not make you free from criticism by your peers, which is what you're experiencing here on this forum board. I'd like to ask you to put your feelings and beliefs aside and rationalize these shootings (or not) by looking at the facts.

 

15 hours ago, NYPDDetectiveODonnell said:

So because a man has a concealed gun on him doesn't give police the right to throw a man onto a ground with out first investigating as to whether or not he had a natural right to carry his concealed weapon.

That's not what happened but I'm not going to argue that with you, as I don't have the lifespan to debate you into seeing what's on screen vs. what you want to see. But I'd like to explain a couple of things to you regarding carrying a concealed weapon. When you are contacted by the police, you are required by law to inform the officer(s) upon first contact that you have a weapon and have a permit to carry it. You must be able to present that permit upon request. This is a requirement in most states, the only exception to this law I can think of off the top of my head is Alaska. For your safety, it's best to say something along the lines of "Hello, sir. Just so you know, I have a CCW permit and I am carrying. How would you like to handle that?" Failure to do those two things are arrest-able offenses. Furthermore, in many states police have the right to check whether a firearm you are carrying is loaded or not, and even in states where they don't, police officers can temporarily disarm you for the duration of a traffic stop or foot stop that was conducted under probable cause or under a terry stop, as by law; you are detained at that point.

 

16 hours ago, NYPDDetectiveODonnell said:

Now if wrong throw me Jail but I know what I saw.

And that pretty much sums it up. You're going to see what you want to see based on the video provided, not what actually happened. Even if I could theoretically explain every nuance of that interaction to you, which I won't do; the bottom line is there was a lot of stuff you did not see, and never will see, because you weren't there. There are only three people who have a first hand account of what happened. One of them is dead, the other two have body camera footage leading up to the struggle that knocked their cameras loose. Any idiot can armchair quarterback a police shooting in a YouTube comment or on a Facebook post. It takes detailed knowledge of the law and law enforcement to actually analyze the video and determine fault.

In the case of the CD "salesman", my view is that he had a concealed weapon on him, he put up a fight, the bottom officer was preoccupied trying to secure his legs, the top one had a free hand to draw his pistol when the bottom officer shouted that he had a gun and his right hand disappeared behind his torso. Where that hand went; nobody knows except the three involved in the fight, and body camera footage may show us. The shot was likely fired by the officer on the top because there was a perceived threat of him reaching for the concealed gun.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

12 hours ago, Riley24 said:

That's a fair point. But on the flip side just because someone isn't innocent, doesn't mean they deserved to die

also I'm fairly sure the guy you're debating with in this thread is trolling. Just a heads up...

Agreed, but the "nice kid" narrative is getting old, And yes, "troll" is one of many choice words to describe him. My discussion with him might not go much longer as I can't make somebody un-see something they think they saw.

At this point, with all the hate towards cops, I don't think cops even have to do anything wrong to be judged. I mean, you watch a video where there is someone being restrained, or arrested, or y'know pretty much anything else, and all of a sudden everyone is an expert in Police Procedure and how to correctly do this, that and the other. Recently one of the main members of BLM did some Scenario based training with the Police in America, and in the first Scenario he was shot before he even drew his gun, and in the second one he shot and unarmed man. 

I'm pretty sure that alone is a testament to the decisions the cops have to make in such a short amount of time. Is he going to shoot me? Does he have a hidden weapon? Does he have a warrant. All this playing out in a mere few seconds, and a cop is expected to make the correct decision every time, I want to see more of these armchair cops get put in the positions of Cops, lets see how good they are, saying they seem to be experts.

Also, to the person further up who decided to post a meme, not cool, not allowed.

11 minutes ago, Ben said:

I'm pretty sure that alone is a testament to the decisions the cops have to make in such a short amount of time. Is he going to shoot me? Does he have a hidden weapon? Does he have a warrant. All this playing out in a mere few seconds, and a cop is expected to make the correct decision every time, I want to see more of these armchair cops get put in the positions of Cops, lets see how good they are, saying they seem to be experts.

Exactly this. Officers have mere seconds to make a serious life and death decision, and sometimes unfortunately it's the wrong one. The media/public has all the time in the world to judge the actions of those officers and say why they were wrong and what they should have done.

16 hours ago, unr3al said:

Which takes away your credibility to think out things with reason 100% of the time. You're getting faith and color involved, which is a bad mix. You live in America, and you can practice any religion you want, and you can feel free to dislike any skin color you want or believe that whatever skin color you like is better or incompatible with another, or however you want to spin it. But that does not make you free from criticism by your peers, which is what you're experiencing here on this forum board. I'd like to ask you to put your feelings and beliefs aside and rationalize these shootings (or not) by looking at the facts.

 

That's not what happened but I'm not going to argue that with you, as I don't have the lifespan to debate you into seeing what's on screen vs. what you want to see. But I'd like to explain a couple of things to you regarding carrying a concealed weapon. When you are contacted by the police, you are required by law to inform the officer(s) upon first contact that you have a weapon and have a permit to carry it. You must be able to present that permit upon request. This is a requirement in most states, the only exception to this law I can think of off the top of my head is Alaska. For your safety, it's best to say something along the lines of "Hello, sir. Just so you know, I have a CCW permit and I am carrying. How would you like to handle that?" Failure to do those two things are arrest-able offenses. Furthermore, in many states police have the right to check whether a firearm you are carrying is loaded or not, and even in states where they don't, police officers can temporarily disarm you for the duration of a traffic stop or foot stop that was conducted under probable cause or under a terry stop, as by law; you are detained at that point.

 

And that pretty much sums it up. You're going to see what you want to see based on the video provided, not what actually happened. Even if I could theoretically explain every nuance of that interaction to you, which I won't do; the bottom line is there was a lot of stuff you did not see, and never will see, because you weren't there. There are only three people who have a first hand account of what happened. One of them is dead, the other two have body camera footage leading up to the struggle that knocked their cameras loose. Any idiot can armchair quarterback a police shooting in a YouTube comment or on a Facebook post. It takes detailed knowledge of the law and law enforcement to actually analyze the video and determine fault.

In the case of the CD "salesman", my view is that he had a concealed weapon on him, he put up a fight, the bottom officer was preoccupied trying to secure his legs, the top one had a free hand to draw his pistol when the bottom officer shouted that he had a gun and his right hand disappeared behind his torso. Where that hand went; nobody knows except the three involved in the fight, and body camera footage may show us. The shot was likely fired by the officer on the top because there was a perceived threat of him reaching for the concealed gun.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

Agreed, but the "nice kid" narrative is getting old, And yes, "troll" is one of many choice words to describe him. My discussion with him might not go much longer as I can't make somebody un-see something they think they saw.

Yeah we'll as I already stated, My point is that people are getting tired of losing their loved one's. These officer's show no remorse in murdering individuals, they don't publicly apologize and neither do they attend funerals to show respect.  While I don't condone murdering in revenge, again I am not fully upset with my people for making that choice. There's going to be a revolution and not a revolt against police, but a Black Vs, Red(European) revolution.

There is a hidden white privilege law and if you're not aware, then let me make you aware:

Watch the vid you'll notice that the taser were immediately deployed, once this man was zapped, he started throwing punching and they kept tazing him. if that were a black man around that same time he'd be dead already.  Yeah but I'll let you guys believe that there's some sort of conspiracy to harm police. Yeah ahahahha give me a break.

 

Edited July 11, 20169 yr by NYPDDetectiveODonnell

I am tired of that white privilege thing being thrown around, thousands upon thousands of white people are living below the poverty line, and you want to say that they're privileged because their white? Hogwash, in my opinion, I see no direct evidence that suggests people get hired, paid more and get more things just because their white. It's a ridiculous term and it really needs to stop. 

5 hours ago, NYPDDetectiveODonnell said:

There is a hidden white privilege law and if you're not aware, then let me make you aware:

Watch the vid you'll notice that the taser were immediately deployed, once this man was zapped, he started throwing punching and they kept tazing him. if that were a black man around that same time he'd be dead already.  Yeah but I'll let you guys believe that there's some sort of conspiracy to harm police. Yeah ahahahha give me a break.

-snip-

I'm not even going to respond to that first line, let's skim ahead here.

Okay, so let's review the video here. Two police officers order a man onto the ground, he is on his stomach and is not complying. One officer deploys an electroshock weapon and the man becomes violent. He fights with the officers while being shocked. Okay, so now lets say this man is of darker complexion. Same exact events happen, where does a firearm come in play? Does complexion play a part in this? No sir, nothing but visual here.

7 hours ago, Lundy said:

I'm not even going to respond to that first line, let's skim ahead here.

Okay, so let's review the video here. Two police officers order a man onto the ground, he is on his stomach and is not complying. One officer deploys an electroshock weapon and the man becomes violent. He fights with the officers while being shocked. Okay, so now lets say this man is of darker complexion. Same exact events happen, where does a firearm come in play? Does complexion play a part in this? No sir, nothing but visual here.

First off In the sterling case, the officer's didn't realize he had a gun until he was on the ground. The white man in this video never hit the ground, because he wasn't violently thrown to the ground like sterling was. The white man was actually given a chance. Sterling was approached thrown to the grown and eventually murdered. The man in the vid was approached talked to for about one min. and then taser's were deployed and actually survived long enough to combat with officer's and even managed to run without getting shot in the back. There's no justification proof is in the pudding. You can use your white arrogance as much as you will. Fact is, there are plenty more of these videos where white people do not follow order's get combative with police and are taken in Alive. If that isn't white privilege IDK what is.  

Does complexion play a part in this?

IDK you tell me that last unarmed black guy named Walter Scott never had a weapon ran from police and was murdered in cold blood. How did this white man get away with punching and kicking cops, and even run away?

Here's another vid in which involved guns:

Skip to:1:40

 

I'm going to throw my two-cents in. I'm not going to say all cops aren't racist, nor do all cops treat everyone equally, however, if the cop from that first part of the video was the same one from the second part of the video, would he have drawn a gun? I highly doubt it, if you look at that first cop, he's quite a chill dude, one of the cops that really respects the rights of people, so as I say, I highly doubt he would of drawn a firearm on the second person.

I'm also getting sick of all this, cops are racist. I mean how many videos where a cop is restraining a person, how many black cops do you see in these videos, because I can say that tons of these videos have a black cop doing his duty in them, so how is a black cop racist towards a black citizen? I hate how everyone posts a video of a cop being an idiot and that represents all the cops in America, but if a video of a cop is posted being a true cop, respectful and not racist, that's overlooked, it's only representative of that one cop.

So yeah, are some cops Racist? Yes. However, in that case, anyone who calls a cop racist for being white and policing, is in their own respect Racist. So this whole Racial thing works two ways, not just one.

4 hours ago, NYPDDetectiveODonnell said:

Does complexion play a part in this?

IDK you tell me that last unarmed black guy named Walter Scott never had a weapon ran from police and was murdered in cold blood. How did this white man get away with punching and kicking cops, and even run away?

Because not every police officer is the same? This applies to a very small percentage, but there ARE cops who would've drawn their weapon, yet there are loads of cops who would've done almost the exact same thing as these two officers did. It's not police protocol to shoot an unarmed man without actual reason. Could they have drawn their guns? Sure, but it wouldn't be a very smart thing to do, inside a confined area with a violent man coming at you. He could easily charge you, take your gun and either get shot by the other officer, or shoot you both dead. It's just another decision that has to be made right then and there. I'd say these officers did their job quite efficiently.

As for the video you linked, it's very likely you'd get a different reaction. Two completely different police officers reacted differently. Could race have applied there? Sure, and there's a big chance it did. I'm sure a large majority of people would've been in more fear of a man with darker complexion carrying an assault rifle was walking down their street. Why? Different people react differently to situations. I can tell you a big portion of that is probably racial profiling. Because why? Racism still exists of course and it's still a majour problem. To go out of your way and just call out police officers in specific isn't much of a way to go. There ARE regular people out there too who have the same thoughts. Are all white people racist? Are all black people thugs? No and no.

If you wouldn't mind answering a personal question. You don't have to answer if you don't want to but I've always wanted to ask you this. If you want to change the way people think, ie. white power, white "privilege", why do you choose to represent a "black power" group? Isn't that the EXACT same thing a white supremacist would say? White power? You're saying the exact same thing, just labeled as the opposite group. Shouldn't you represent a symbol of peace? Not hate?

Let's all remember that people, actual human beings, has been hurt in yet another tragic incident. I don't think this is the time for anyone to pursue or push their personal agendas, no matter what they might be. 

On 7/9/2016 at 4:31 PM, NYPDDetectiveODonnell said:

Nope Kyre' Law. And the purpose would be aiming to restore a positive relationship between civilians and police. As far as Martial law is concerned, well I'd rather that than a police state any day.

Holy shit this is the funniest thing I have heard all day. You do know that if the martial law was declared that is pretty much a police state even if it is the military enforcing it. Not to mention the military is not trained to be a police force. As someone who is in the Army right now I can tell you having the military act as the police would be far worse. We are not trained to police people, we are trained to kill enemy combatants and destroy other Armies. Plus even if we went with your plan it isn't like the US military hasn't had cases where soldiers murdered innocent civilians before right? No of course not, they are perfect.

21 hours ago, NYPDDetectiveODonnell said:

These officer's show no remorse in murdering individuals, they don't publicly apologize and neither do they attend funerals to show respect.if that were a black man around that same time he'd be dead already.  Yeah but I'll let you guys believe that there's some sort of conspiracy to harm police. Yeah ahahahha give me a break.

Why should a police officer apologize for defending himself? If someone is trying to harm me I'm not going to apologize for taking necessary action to make sure I don't die. And it isn't a conspiracy theory if it has already happened. There have already been several cases in the past couple years to kill police officers because of these police shootings. Not saying every black person is in on it, but there are people out there who want to take revenge on police.

5 hours ago, Lundy said:

Because not every police officer is the same? This applies to a very small percentage, but there ARE cops who would've drawn their weapon, yet there are loads of cops who would've done almost the exact same thing as these two officers did. It's not police protocol to shoot an unarmed man without actual reason. Could they have drawn their guns? Sure, but it wouldn't be a very smart thing to do, inside a confined area with a violent man coming at you. He could easily charge you, take your gun and either get shot by the other officer, or shoot you both dead. It's just another decision that has to be made right then and there. I'd say these officers did their job quite efficiently.

As for the video you linked, it's very likely you'd get a different reaction. Two completely different police officers reacted differently. Could race have applied there? Sure, and there's a big chance it did. I'm sure a large majority of people would've been in more fear of a man with darker complexion carrying an assault rifle was walking down their street. Why? Different people react differently to situations. I can tell you a big portion of that is probably racial profiling. Because why? Racism still exists of course and it's still a majour problem. To go out of your way and just call out police officers in specific isn't much of a way to go. There ARE regular people out there too who have the same thoughts. Are all white people racist? Are all black people thugs? No and no.

If you wouldn't mind answering a personal question. You don't have to answer if you don't want to but I've always wanted to ask you this. If you want to change the way people think, ie. white power, white "privilege", why do you choose to represent a "black power" group? Isn't that the EXACT same thing a white supremacist would say? White power? You're saying the exact same thing, just labeled as the opposite group. Shouldn't you represent a symbol of peace? Not hate?

:) White power and black power serve two different causes.

1. Black power came first. and here's the definition:

Black Pow·er

noun

 

1. a movement in support of equal rights and political power for black people, especially prominent in the US in the 1960s and 1970s.

    

    

    

    

   2.  White Power, as defined by the man who coined the term, is the call for separation of the races and the ideology that other races are inferior.

    

   Soruces: Google.com

    

    

    

   SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

    

    

   White power is the total opposite of black power. 

59 minutes ago, l3ubba said:

Holy shit this is the funniest thing I have heard all day. You do know that if the martial law was declared that is pretty much a police state even if it is the military enforcing it. Not to mention the military is not trained to be a police force. As someone who is in the Army right now I can tell you having the military act as the police would be far worse. We are not trained to police people, we are trained to kill enemy combatants and destroy other Armies. Plus even if we went with your plan it isn't like the US military hasn't had cases where soldiers murdered innocent civilians before right? No of course not, they are perfect.

Why should a police officer apologize for defending himself? If someone is trying to harm me I'm not going to apologize for taking necessary action to make sure I don't die. And it isn't a conspiracy theory if it has already happened. There have already been several cases in the past couple years to kill police officers because of these police shootings. Not saying every black person is in on it, but there are people out there who want to take revenge on police.

:) Tryng to kill? I'm sorry but did I miss something? That of sterling's murder did not show at any point of that man trying to kill officers. If that were the case sterling would have deployed his weapon upon officers approach. I think you're police are what I call : "stereotypical Paranoia". All of these police murders follow the same pattern, the same pattern since the 1960's. "Oh he was reaching for a gun, or I feared for my life. :) I recall a black officer who killed a white civilian using that same analogy and guess where he's sitting? IN JAIL. WHY? Because its perfectly OK when a nigger to fear's for his life. 

All I get from this thread now is...
"I'm proud to be black" - said the black man.
"I'm proud to be Asian" - said the Asian man.
"I'm proud to be white" - said the racist.

I respect everyone, including blacks. However I don't understand how 'Black Power' even plays a part in this discussion, the idea behind it was to result in people who are black, been given the same rights that everyone else had. In my opinion, that has been accomplished, Black Power now is being used as a reason to cause disorder, I mean, really? Black Power, everyone no matter whatever the color of their skin has access to the same job opportunities, voting, human rights, amount all other rights, so how is it playing a part in this.

When everyone has equal rights, what are people achieving by breaking up a parade, which is taking a positive stance towards Gays, all in the name of Black Power. I doubt anyone can tell me some logical reason on why breaking up a parade which group strove for the same rights as people who are Black, is in anyway for a logical reason, it's idiotic.

Just going to leave this here.

It is not pro-police vs anti-police. There are legitimate racial issues to be addressed within our culture, justice system, and collective subconscious. That needs to be addressed in order to better our society. Fighting for that change doesn't make you anti-police, and arguing against that change doesn't make you racist.

Edited July 12, 20169 yr by Riley24

1 hour ago, NYPDDetectiveODonnell said:

:) White power and black power serve two different causes.

1. Black power came first. and here's the definition:

Black Pow·er

noun

 

1. a movement in support of equal rights and political power for black people, especially prominent in the US in the 1960s and 1970s.

    

    

    

    

   2.  White Power, as defined by the man who coined the term, is the call for separation of the races and the ideology that other races are inferior.

    

   Soruces: Google.com

Sure, that's what it is supposed to represent, but is that really what we get out of it? Most of the people I hear chanting that are the same people flipping cars, blocking roads, and breaking windows. Makes it seem very very radical. Maybe a better term would be racial equality. Or anti-discrimination. Especially the fact that this is all focused on one specific racial group. What about hispanics, muslims, ect. They undergo plenty of discrimination. If not more. Maybe a broader term should be adapted.

2 hours ago, Lundy said:

Sure, that's what it is supposed to represent, but is that really what we get out of it? Most of the people I hear chanting that are the same people flipping cars, blocking roads, and breaking windows. Makes it seem very very radical. Maybe a better term would be racial equality. Or anti-discrimination. Especially the fact that this is all focused on one specific racial group. What about hispanics, muslims, ect. They undergo plenty of discrimination. If not more. Maybe a broader term should be adapted.

Sure, that's what it is supposed to represent, but is that really what we get out of it?

:) Of course we didn't The white man give political Nationalism to The African American? HA give me a break. During the 60's the panther's Fought the injustices of the police by forming its own armed patrol unit. They followed the law, and acted only in self defense. And what did your  J Edgar Hoover and the F.B.I do? raid the community with drugs, murder 110 members, created false accusations against leaders using the media, Robbery, murder, and manipulation.  And in time we fell apart. But don't worry we shall rise once more. A New black army is forming and this time we'll be stronger than ever.