Make firearms illegal. Seize every handgun, rifle, carbine and shotgun in the country.

 

If the government were to do this, then every American that owned a gun would cry out the 2nd Amendment and most likely take up arms against the government. People would claim that the government is infringing upon their Constitutional right to own weapons, form militias (which is allowed via the 2nd Amend.), and try to fight the government. 

 

Gun Control is a touchy subject with me, as I feel there should be some restrictions, but not too many. Taking them, IMO, will not work for the reasons I mentioned above.

 

 

On Topic: As others have said before, if a civvie buys this, the chances of them being shot by someone will skyrocket. People already cry out about the number of shootings that already occur. All this is going to do is add to that number. Also like the guy said in the video, he has to make sure the wind doesn't blow the gas back onto him or his family. That's good that you're firing forwards to deter the or whoever, but if there is a blowing wind, you will be affected too, which puts you down and out as well. Just not a good idea IMO.

Edited April 10, 201511 yr by CRAWFORDx96

 Even if guns were banned, people would just smuggle them into the US and only criminals and those who purchase from the black market would own them. This could increase the crime rate because criminals now understand that regular civilians don't own guns. 

 

I'll just address this argument, which is, in my opinion, completely false, and I'll prove it by a simple fact: in Europe, all guns are banned. Your only way to get a gun is to get a permit (which is hard to get, with many restrictions, and still the explicit prohibition to carry a gun out of private property), and the gun is registered to the city hall, the area administration you live in and national administration. Storage of weapons is also very restricted, as they have to be in locked, armored racks to avoid kids or other people to steal and use them.

 

tl;dr: Almost no one owns a gun in Europe, and guess what, crime rate is way below the US. This is not a matter of law or restriction, it's a matter of state of mind. European and US citizens think differently. Here in Europe, if someone threatens you with a gun, you don't put your life in danger, you don't play the hero, you do what the guy says and you let him be on his merry way. Better be alive and stolen, than have your goods and being dead.

So you tried buying a prop gun, not a mace gun?

 

 

 

A lot of cops can be/are cry babies about various things, but this is just a bad idea. A spray can is clearly that. This would absolutely get people shot because it is a gun. 

I collect blank firing guns, because its legal for felons to have however, only a fool would brandish them. I did not have the mace gun. I would have carried the mace gun for protection concealed.

I'll just address this argument, which is, in my opinion, completely false, and I'll prove it by a simple fact: in Europe, all guns are banned. Your only way to get a gun is to get a permit (which is hard to get, with many restrictions, and still the explicit prohibition to carry a gun out of private property), and the gun is registered to the city hall, the area administration you live in and national administration. Storage of weapons is also very restricted, as they have to be in locked, armored racks to avoid kids or other people to steal and use them.

tl;dr: Almost no one owns a gun in Europe, and guess what, crime rate is way below the US. This is not a matter of law or restriction, it's a matter of state of mind. European and US citizens think differently. Here in Europe, if someone threatens you with a gun, you don't put your life in danger, you don't play the hero, you do what the guy says and you let him be on his merry way. Better be alive and stolen, than have your goods and being dead.

I understand your argument. However what if the intention of this burglar is to kill you. Should I then remain at his mercy and suffer an inevitable death? In my opinion, that's completely insane! Again, I'd much rather take the risk of dying while defending my home, than being at the mercy of a stranger. He shouldn't be inside of my home to begin with, so I'm going to go to the ass with whatever I do to him. It's also a value that we have here in America. I'm sure that a significant number of Americans would much rather fight for their home, rather than let it be ravaged by a burglary. I worked hard for what I own and I'm not just going to let someone take it all away, but this varies from person to person.

As far as comparing the United States to Europe, I don't feel that that's a very credible comparison. The United States is one country, Europe is an entire continent. Bluntly comparing the United States to Europe without considering varying and specific circumstances isn't a fair comparison in my opinion. Comparing the United States to an individual European country would be a bit more validated, but even then the Unifed States has more than twice the population of every European country, including Russia.

Every country has its problems, and apparently French Police are having issues with basic everyday power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard somewhere that French Police simply don't have enough power to enforce laws. If this is true, does that mean I can compare American police to French police? I don't think so, because they're completely different police forces for completely different countries. They have completely different guidelines and regulations. They have different and similar tools. They have different policies and protocol they're required to follow.

Edited April 10, 201511 yr by PeetePanda

I understand your argument. However what if the intention of this burglar is to kill you. Should I then remain at his mercy and suffer an inevitable death? In my opinion, that's completely insane! Again, I'd much rather take the risk of dying while defending my home, than being at the mercy of a stranger. He shouldn't be inside of my home to begin with, so I'm going to go to the ass with whatever I do to him. It's also a value that we have here in America. I'm sure that a significant number of Americans would much rather fight for their home, rather than let it be ravaged by a burglary. I worked hard for what I own and I'm not just going to let someone take it all away, but this varies from person to person.

As far as comparing the United States to Europe, I don't feel that that's a very credible comparison. The United States is one country, Europe is an entire continent. Bluntly comparing the United States to Europe without considering varying and specific circumstances isn't a fair comparison in my opinion. Comparing the United States to an individual European country would be a bit more validated, but even then the Unifed States has more than twice the population of every European country, including Russia.

Every country has its problems, and apparently French Police are having issues with basic everyday power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard somewhere that French Police simply don't have enough power to enforce laws. If this is true, does that mean I can compare American police to French police? I don't think so, because they're completely different police forces for completely different countries. They have completely different guidelines and regulations. They have different and similar tools. They have different policies and protocol they're required to follow.

 

To be honest, burglars here don't come to kill you. I don't know for the US, but burglars in Europe manage to rob your house when you're not here. They spot people leaving, study the place. I can't recall a burglar robbing a house that would have killed someone here in France. So this argument is invalid here. As I stated, different states of mind. Also, Europe may be an entire continent, but is led by similar common laws, just like states in the US are led by a central power but can pass their own bills. Comparing the two is completely fair to me.

As for French police having trouble enforcing laws, I don't know where you've seen that, but I can tell you it's wrong. If anything, we just don't have enough cops. And I know what I'm talking about, my father is a cop in the motorbike section near Marseille, one of the most criminalized cities in the country. Nothing to do with firepower. Give a gun to one man, if he has to face 10 others he'll still be in trouble, gun or not.

 

As I stated, it's just a different state of mind. States of mind are not bound to countries, we just don't think alike when it comes to certain situations. Nothing wrong with that, no need to get offended.

To be honest, burglars here don't come to kill you. I don't know for the US, but burglars in Europe manage to rob your house when you're not here. They spot people leaving, study the place. I can't recall a burglar robbing a house that would have killed someone here in France. So this argument is invalid here. As I stated, different states of mind. Also, Europe may be an entire continent, but is led by similar common laws, just like states in the US are led by a central power but can pass their own bills. Comparing the two is completely fair to me.

As for French police having trouble enforcing laws, I don't know where you've seen that, but I can tell you it's wrong. If anything, we just don't have enough cops. And I know what I'm talking about, my father is a cop in the motorbike section near Marseille, one of the most criminalized cities in the country. Nothing to do with firepower. Give a gun to one man, if he has to face 10 others he'll still be in trouble, gun or not.

As I stated, it's just a different state of mind. States of mind are not bound to countries, we just don't think alike when it comes to certain situations. Nothing wrong with that, no need to get offended.

Thank you for the correction. Do you happen to know any reliable French media outlets? I got that information about the French police from an American media, and it clearly wasn't all that reliable. I wasn't saying it was true, I was asking more than anything.

Yes, with different countries and land masses come different philosophies and ideologies. It's normal, because if all people thought alike the world would probably still be in the Stone Age, lol. This is one thing that I respect about you Hystery. We can usually share our opinions and understand the differences. That isn't very common to find.

Thank you for the correction. Do you happen to know any reliable French media outlets? I got that information about the French police from an American media, and it clearly wasn't all that reliable. I wasn't saying it was true, I was asking more than anything.

Yes, with different countries and land masses come different philosophies and ideologies. It's normal, because if all people thought alike the world would probably still be in the Stone Age, lol. This is one thing that I respect about you Hystery. We can usually share our opinions and understand the differences. That isn't very common to find.

 

Thanks, I try to remain civil and courteous when it comes to debates, matter of respect. After all, you can disagree with someone but still show respect for their opinion (at least until certain extreme degrees).

 

When it comes to completely french media outlets, I'd say "Le Monde" which is a very famous newspaper, but I don't think they have an english version of such. That's actually something I despise about France, everything is in french, nothing is ever written in english besides in railstations and airports.

I think you should watch the news, a lot more cop's in the USA are shooting people for no reason at all.

 

The ''News'' just makes it a lot worse than it needs to be.

I'll just address this argument, which is, in my opinion, completely false, and I'll prove it by a simple fact: in Europe, all guns are banned. Your only way to get a gun is to get a permit (which is hard to get, with many restrictions, and still the explicit prohibition to carry a gun out of private property), and the gun is registered to the city hall, the area administration you live in and national administration. Storage of weapons is also very restricted, as they have to be in locked, armored racks to avoid kids or other people to steal and use them.

 

tl;dr: Almost no one owns a gun in Europe, and guess what, crime rate is way below the US. This is not a matter of law or restriction, it's a matter of state of mind. European and US citizens think differently. Here in Europe, if someone threatens you with a gun, you don't put your life in danger, you don't play the hero, you do what the guy says and you let him be on his merry way. Better be alive and stolen, than have your goods and being dead.

A lot of major cities in the United States have restrictive gun laws, yet there exists a flourishing illegal weapons trade.

 

The state of Maryland has pretty restrictive gun laws, and this includes Baltimore City. Baltimore (certain parts) is one of the most dangerous cities in the nation. There are approximately 600,000 people in Baltimore. In 2013, there were 235 homicides. 189 were shootings.

 

http://data.baltimoresun.com/bing-maps/homicides/index.php?range=2013&district=all&zipcode=all&age=all&gender=all&race=all&cause=shooting&article=all&show_results=Show+results 

A lot of major cities in the United States have restrictive gun laws, yet there exists a flourishing illegal weapons trade.

 

The state of Maryland has pretty restrictive gun laws, and this includes Baltimore City. Baltimore (certain parts) is one of the most dangerous cities in the nation. There are approximately 600,000 people in Baltimore. In 2013, there were 235 homicides. 189 were shootings.

 

http://data.baltimoresun.com/bing-maps/homicides/index.php?range=2013&district=all&zipcode=all&age=all&gender=all&race=all&cause=shooting&article=all&show_results=Show+results 

 

That's what I was saying. It's not a matter of law or restriction, it's a matter of state of mind. Here in Europe, people don't feel the need to have a gun, because they don't feel like there would be any use for it. In the US, people feel like they need a gun (for whatever reason, I can't really say since I'm not a US citizen myself), and if they want one they'll get one. Hence there's less shooting in Europe than in the US.

That's what I was saying. It's not a matter of law or restriction, it's a matter of state of mind. Here in Europe, people don't feel the need to have a gun, because they don't feel like there would be any use for it. In the US, people feel like they need a gun (for whatever reason, I can't really say since I'm not a US citizen myself), and if they want one they'll get one. Hence there's less shooting in Europe than in the US.

This is why I never like it when people try to compare crime in the United States and Europe. While very similar in a lot of respects, they're still very different societies. I know there is some debate over the exact numbers, but generally speaking, the United Kingdom has a higher crime rate than the United States. Fewer guns does not necessarily mean less violence/crime. 

Why if your from Europe would you even try to compare your country or continent for that matter to the USA? It makes no sense, and also what gives you the right to tell us how to run our country and what should happen to us? None of us tell you how your country should be run or what should happen to you. It disgusting and insulting that you even have the audacity to make even a single suggestion about a country that your not even a citizen of.  None of us do that to you, so what gives you the right to do it to us? If you read your history the only thing that keeps anyone from attempting to invade the USA is the fact that this countries citizens ARE armed, and they know it would be suicide to invade.

Why if your from Europe would you even try to compare your country or continent for that matter to the USA? It makes no sense, and also what gives you the right to tell us how to run our country and what should happen to us? None of us tell you how your country should be run or what should happen to you. It disgusting and insulting that you even have the audacity to make even a single suggestion about a country that your not even a citizen of.  None of us do that to you, so what gives you the right to do it to us? If you read your history the only thing that keeps anyone from attempting to invade the USA is the fact that this countries citizens ARE armed, and they know it would be suicide to invade.

 

First, I don't see why I couldn't compare the US people to the European people. Different cultures surely, but they are all human beings, I fail to see how it doesn't make sense. Second, if you ever saw me saying how you should run your country, please quote me. If you can't quote me, then one, don't put words in my mouth and two, don't assume things you ignore about me. And third, I'm -pretty- sure that the only thing that keeps anyone from attempting to invade the US is the fact they have the largest army in the world, in addition to a consequent nuclear firepower, nothing to do with citizens (and even myself know that this is not why the 2nd amendement was made).

 

tl;dr - read what I said again before starting to burst out at me, thanks.

Edited April 10, 201511 yr by Hystery

I feel we're starting to drift away from the original topic, which is a mace gun made out to look like a real gun. 

if you are going to have a gun make it have bullets not mace

 

this gun is stupid

 

 

On a side note a crime committed with something that simply resembles a weapon can seriously harden your punishment, and in case a victim has a reason to believe it is an actual weapon it can double your prison term (in our jurisdiction). So playing a nice joke with this thing may end up the wrong way even if you won't get shot. I'm starting to love this idea. 

Why if your from Europe would you even try to compare your country or continent for that matter to the USA? It makes no sense, and also what gives you the right to tell us how to run our country and what should happen to us? None of us tell you how your country should be run or what should happen to you. It disgusting and insulting that you even have the audacity to make even a single suggestion about a country that your not even a citizen of.  None of us do that to you, so what gives you the right to do it to us? If you read your history the only thing that keeps anyone from attempting to invade the USA is the fact that this countries citizens ARE armed, and they know it would be suicide to invade.

Haha, you should change your name from Jarhead. You appear to be smarter than most other Jarheads... :) (Inside joke that I'm sure you understand)

First, I don't see why I couldn't compare the US people to the European people. Different cultures surely, but they are all human beings, I fail to see how it doesn't make sense. Second, if you ever saw me saying how you should run your country, please quote me. If you can't quote me, then one, don't put words in my mouth and two, don't assume things you ignore about me. And third, I'm -pretty- sure that the only thing that keeps anyone from attempting to invade the US is the fact they have the largest army in the world, in addition to a consequent nuclear firepower, nothing to do with citizens (and even myself know that this is not why the 2nd amendement was made).

 

tl;dr - read what I said again before starting to burst out at me, thanks.

 

When someone that is not a US citizen sits there and says that all firearms in the USA should be illegal then YES you are telling us how to run our country. What business is it of anyone that isn't American to worry about whether guns are legal or not legal here? Or to sit there and say we should make all guns illegal? U worry about whats going on in your country and Americans will worry about whats going on in our country.

When someone that is not a US citizen sits there and says that all firearms in the USA should be illegal then YES you are telling us how to run our country. What business is it of anyone that isn't American to worry about whether guns are legal or not legal here? Or to sit there and say we should make all guns illegal? U worry about whats going on in your country and Americans will worry about whats going on in our country.

 

Then again, read what I said, nowhere I said firearms should be illegal. So stop acting like a douche or an offended girl at a prom.

 

Before trying to comment what I said, you should turn on your brain first, open your eyes and process my words carefully. I won't answer to you anymore in the future since you do not seem to be a serious interlocutor.

And I wasn't even referring to you, I was talking to KarlieKoss, not you Hystery, I apologize for the misunderstanding