To be perfectly honest, I can't imagine why a man or woman would willingly accept to sell their bodies to random strangers, when actual victims of those treatments desperately crave to escape that system and world they have been abducted into. I mean, on one side, some young girls are getting kidnapped, drugged, and forced on the sidewalk as prostitutes by some pimp, and then, on the other side, I see people WILLINGLY wanting to be treated like that, just for a few bucks. It's against all logic.

 

Let's make an analogy. A lot of women are getting beaten up by their husbands. Would you legalize the beating up just because some of those women actually accept to be beaten up for a couple dollars? It doesn't make -any- sense.

Edited March 25, 201511 yr by Hystery

To be perfectly honest, I can't imagine why a man or woman would willingly accept to sell their bodies to random strangers, when actual victims of those treatments desperately crave to escape that system and world they have been abducted into. I mean, on one side, some young girls are getting kidnapped, drugged, and forced on the sidewalk as prostitutes by some pimp, and then, on the other side, I see people WILLINGLY wanting to be treated like that, just for a few bucks. It's against all logic.

 

Let's make an analogy. A lot of women are getting beaten up by their husbands. Would you legalize the beating up just because some of those women actually accept to be beaten up for a couple dollars? It doesn't make -any- sense.

 

Whoa whoa whoa. You just ignored almost everything that has been said before. Who said anything about prostitutes being beaten for money? And, further more, forced prostitution and willing prostitution are totally different things. Forced is when they are made to be addicted to drugs and forced by a pimp to sell their bodies on the street so that they can satisfy their addiction. Willing prostitutes are usually normal people, sometimes without pimps, sometimes aren't addicted to drugs, and generally have "standards". The kind of legalized prostitution we're talking about is in regulated brothels with people who are STD tested, condoms are provided, and nobody is forced to do anything.

 

Prostitutes aren't beaten up by customers, that's a totally null point. Nobody provides a "pay me to beat me up" service. Maybe your idea of sex and physical abuse are skewed.

 

However, I'm totally against pimping and forced prostitution and street prostitution, because they aren't regulated at all, there's health risks, and it's usually quite dirty.

 

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Back to the subject of morals - some people don't see sex as a beautiful thing. They see it as pure pleasure. That's it. The argument of "sex is a beautiful thing that should only be between two partners in love" really isn't a good excuse. If you want to know the reason why I am in support of a regulated, legal prostitution service, it's because it makes it safer for the people who don't share that opinion on sex. If prostitution remains illegal and unregulated, people will be put at risk for STD's, and the market for forced street prostitution will remain wayyy up, making it so that pimps actively look for young girls to abduct, force drugs into, and put on the street to sell their bodies. Fuck that shit. Offer a safe, regulated place for women to work and make some money, and for guys to have another option as opposed to using an STD ridden street hooker.

Okay your second part is just silly, who said anything about paying for licences, you don't have to have a license, just the job itself, the government does not have to get heavily involved, oh and you would want to stay with your pimp, alright have fun getting beat and slapped around. 

Do you really think the government is willing to hand out free prostitution licenses to anyone who walks up and asks? Nope.

Whoa whoa whoa. You just ignored almost everything that has been said before. Who said anything about prostitutes being beaten for money? And, further more, forced prostitution and willing prostitution are totally different things. Forced is when they are made to be addicted to drugs and forced by a pimp to sell their bodies on the street so that they can satisfy their addiction. Willing prostitutes are usually normal people, sometimes without pimps, sometimes aren't addicted to drugs, and generally have "standards". The kind of legalized prostitution we're talking about is in regulated brothels with people who are STD tested, condoms are provided, and nobody is forced to do anything.

 

Prostitutes aren't beaten up by customers, that's a totally null point. Nobody provides a "pay me to beat me up" service. Maybe your idea of sex and physical abuse are skewed.

 

However, I'm totally against pimping and forced prostitution and street prostitution, because they aren't regulated at all, there's health risks, and it's usually quite dirty.

 

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Back to the subject of morals - some people don't see sex as a beautiful thing. They see it as pure pleasure. That's it. The argument of "sex is a beautiful thing that should only be between two partners in love" really isn't a good excuse. If you want to know the reason why I am in support of a regulated, legal prostitution service, it's because it makes it safer for the people who don't share that opinion on sex. If prostitution remains illegal and unregulated, people will be put at risk for STD's, and the market for forced street prostitution will remain wayyy up, making it so that pimps actively look for young girls to abduct, force drugs into, and put on the street to sell their bodies. Fuck that shit. Offer a safe, regulated place for women to work and make some money, and for guys to have another option as opposed to using an STD ridden street hooker.

Hey hey, I never said prostitutes were beaten up. It was an analogy. A comparison.

 

Woman being beaten up by her husband = forced prostitution

Woman accepting to be beaten up by her husband in exchange of a few bucks = willing prostitution

 

Using this analogy, would you legalize the beating up just because some women accept to be paid for it? I doubt so. Legalizing prostitution will not make the world all pink and cute. Incidents will still happen. STD's will still spread. Laws can't stop that. If laws could stop things, there wouldn't be any drugs in the streets anymore (yeah, you know, the laws forbidding to sell and consume drugs, and though people still do it). Besides, legalizing it would mean that a lot of paperwork would suddenly become involved. And let's face it, no one loves paperwork. Why would a prostitute bother themselves doing the exact same job for the exact same pay (minus the taxes for 'working'), with the paperwork on top of that? It's like making the things more complicated without any counterpart. Without speaking about the prostitutes wanting to do this 'job' anonymously, and so on. I'm pretty sure only a very minor portion of those 'workers' would actually accept to enter the legal vicious circle.

To be perfectly honest, I can't imagine why a man or woman would willingly accept to sell their bodies to random strangers, when actual victims of those treatments desperately crave to escape that system and world they have been abducted into. I mean, on one side, some young girls are getting kidnapped, drugged, and forced on the sidewalk as prostitutes by some pimp, and then, on the other side, I see people WILLINGLY wanting to be treated like that, just for a few bucks. It's against all logic.

 

Let's make an analogy. A lot of women are getting beaten up by their husbands. Would you legalize the beating up just because some of those women actually accept to be beaten up for a couple dollars? It doesn't make -any- sense.

I think you have a faulty definition of "prostitution", if your definition requires someone to be kidnapped, drugged, and forced to work. The whole point of legal prostitution is that people involved think the money is worth it. People work in coal mines, in spite of the fact that it dramatically shortens your life expectancy, because the money is worth it. It may defy all logic to you that someone might decide to go to work in a brothel where they'll be paid to have sex, but it's disingenuous to say that what people would be willingly doing is "forced on the sidewalk by some pimp." In fact, a legal prostitute is much *less* likely to be subject to extremely degrading conditions or forced to work, because they can always go to the police if they're the victim of a crime.

Your analogy is seriously flawed. With assault, an argument that paying someone to assault them is illegal would rest on the idea that consent for money isn't enough to justify the assault (i.e. "we don't want rich people able to hire poor people and punch them"). With sex, that means prostitution would be considered a variant of rape. There's a funny thing about rape: Being raped isn't a crime. If you're going with the assault analogy, prostitutes are victims and have done absolutely nothing wrong (unless you really want to argue that they're an accomplice to their own rape).

I think you have a faulty definition of "prostitution", if your definition requires someone to be kidnapped, drugged, and forced to work. The whole point of legal prostitution is that people involved think the money is worth it. People work in coal mines, in spite of the fact that it dramatically shortens your life expectancy, because the money is worth it. It may defy all logic to you that someone might decide to go to work in a brothel where they'll be paid to have sex, but it's disingenuous to say that what people would be willingly doing is "forced on the sidewalk by some pimp." In fact, a legal prostitute is much *less* likely to be subject to extremely degrading conditions or forced to work, because they can always go to the police if they're the victim of a crime.

Your analogy is seriously flawed. With assault, an argument that paying someone to assault them is illegal would rest on the idea that consent for money isn't enough to justify the assault (i.e. "we don't want rich people able to hire poor people and punch them"). With sex, that means prostitution would be considered a variant of rape. There's a funny thing about rape: Being raped isn't a crime. If you're going with the assault analogy, prostitutes are victims and have done absolutely nothing wrong (unless you really want to argue that they're an accomplice to their own rape).

I believe I have explained my point more clearly in my second post. Forced prostitution exists. It's a fact. Some women are forced to go on the sidewalk. Legalizing prostitution won't make it disappear, against what people might think, because there's no reason it'd make it disappear. Why a pimp would decide to go on the legal side of the law, just to pay taxes? Besides, talking about a legal prostitute being much less likely to be subject to extremely degrading conditions, this is not entirely true either. Quite a fair ammount of legal institutions eventually abused of their legal facade to abuse people (look at Scientology, supposedly a legal religious movement that is hidding a very intricated sect). So again, legalizing something gives no assurance that it will be respected by both parties. So why taking the risk of doing so.

 

And as a final note, I also see this potential legalization as just a way for a government to grab easy money on the misery of a couple poor souls who had no choice but to end in this to survive in their struggling life.

 

EDIT: Yay, 500 posts. Didn't expect to use it on such a thread, but totally worth it.

Edited March 25, 201511 yr by Hystery

Of course it's wrong, and no I don't think it should be legal.

I support legalized prostitution. First reason is that it reduces crimes such as human trafficking. The other reason is that for some people, there are no other opportunities to make a living, and I support the right for people to make their living however they please. It does not objectify women, it can help those who do not have any other way.

Okay your second part is just silly, who said anything about paying for licences, you don't have to have a license, just the job itself, the government does not have to get heavily involved, oh and you would want to stay with your pimp, alright have fun getting beat and slapped around. 

I Agree with you on a lot of things but this I do Not. If prostitution is Legal its in the Public's Best Interest to have All Legal Prostitutes (those who use the Brothels) to get Registered (or in other words getting Licensed to be a Prostitute) Other wise there would be NO way to track these Women or Men, and ensure that they are STD Free, the Government DOES need to be Heavily Involved to Ensure the Public's Safety.. what you're Suggesting would Support a Rampant Spread of STD's. Also in Order for this Law to Benefit The Government whether it be State or Federal, The Government would need to Charge a certain amount of Money for these License's, Somewhere around the Ballpark of 25 to 50$ around the Price to get a Drivers License. There are Things that don't need Heavy Government oversight, but this in Particular is Certainly not one of those things. 

Honestly, I just think this think no due to the fact prostitution being legal will lead more Human Trafficking and STDs.

Honestly, I just think this think no due to the fact prostitution being legal will lead more Human Trafficking and STDs.

You Didn't read any of the other Responses did you.. I Posted Reports from the DoJ about how ILLEGAL prostitution Covers 48% of human trafficking, and if Prostitution was made legal it would cut most of that Off, And also its been shown multiple times that with Government oversights and Weekly/Monthly Checkups Coupled with Mandatory Condom Use, the Spread of STD's would Decline in Prostitution.. Please Scroll up if you want elaboration. 

You Didn't read any of the other Responses did you.. I Posted Reports from the DoJ about how ILLEGAL prostitution Covers 48% of human trafficking, and if Prostitution was made legal it would cut most of that Off, And also its been shown multiple times that with Government oversights and Weekly/Monthly Checkups Coupled with Mandatory Condom Use, the Spread of STD's would Decline in Prostitution.. Please Scroll up if you want elaboration. 

 

No. If you actually read other responses too, you'd have seen I addressed those points. First, let's talk about illegal prostitution that involves human trafficking. Why would legalizing prostitution reduce any of this? Do you think the pimp of the neighborhood will suddenly go "Yeah, it's legal now, I'll get registered and pay taxes for the job, in addition of a lot of paperwork, without gaining more money, and actually even getting less of it due to taxes"? Of course not, he's there to make money. Do you think that opening a brothel will slow down his activities? Of course not, customers actually have their habits.

 

About STD's, let's say a prostitute is detected with one, what happens? She's forbidden to work as a prostitute? Do you really think she'll be like "Oh okay, it's fine, I'll find something else."? No, she'll keep prostitute herself, just illegaly. And her STD will spread just like before.

 

Legalizing prostitution brings more problem than it solves.

Edited March 26, 201511 yr by Hystery

No. If you actually read other responses too, you'd have seen I addressed those points. First, let's talk about illegal prostitution that involves human trafficking. Why would legalizing prostitution reduce any of this? Do you think the pimp of the neighborhood will suddenly go "Yeah, it's legal now, I'll get registered and pay taxes for the job, in addition of a lot of paperwork, without gaining more money, and actually even getting less of it due to taxes"? Of course not, he's there to make money. Do you think that opening a brothel will slow down his activities? Of course not, customers actually have their habits.

About STD's, let's say a prostitute is detected with one, what happens? She's forbidden to work as a prostitute? Do you really think she'll be like "Oh okay, it's fine, I'll find something else."? No, she'll keep prostitute herself, just illegaly. And her STD will spread just like before.

Legalizing prostitution brings more problem than it solves.

From how I see it, legalizing prostitution will only create a broken and neglected system. I'd just rather law enforcement continue to deal with it as an everyday crime. What people are assuming here is that prostitutes and pimps are going to just abide by the law.

Legalizing it in Nevada or whatever certainly didn't have any significant impact, otherwise we'd all be aware of it. I've heard nothing of it, nor was I aware of the fact that it is legal. Probably because prostitutes are doing what I said. Continuing to do what they've always done.

No. If you actually read other responses too, you'd have seen I addressed those points. First, let's talk about illegal prostitution that involves human trafficking. Why would legalizing prostitution reduce any of this? Do you think the pimp of the neighborhood will suddenly go "Yeah, it's legal now, I'll get registered and pay taxes for the job, in addition of a lot of paperwork, without gaining more money, and actually even getting less of it due to taxes"? Of course not, he's there to make money. Do you think that opening a brothel will slow down his activities? Of course not, customers actually have their habits.

 

About STD's, let's say a prostitute is detected with one, what happens? She's forbidden to work as a prostitute? Do you really think she'll be like "Oh okay, it's fine, I'll find something else."? No, she'll keep prostitute herself, just illegaly. And her STD will spread just like before.

 

Legalizing prostitution brings more problem than it solves.

I'f Prostitution is legalized the Pimps will be Forced to find another Job or Pay Taxes on Prostitution since a Good Chunk of The Customers are going to go to a LEGAL Source of Prostitution, they may have their Habits yes but if given the choice to go about that habit the Legal way 7 times out of 10 they will, and about the Second part Yes Illegal Prostitution wont get Completely Taken Down because of the legalization However it will be Reduced Drastically Just Because People DON'T want the Stress of a Possibility to go to Jail if they can Avoid that, and By the way if the Stigma Grows that most if not all Illegal Prostitutes are known to have STD's that's just gonna more Customers Away from Illegal Prostitution to Legal Prostitution because its Safer. and For whats it worth about Legal Prostitution not stopping Illegal Prostitution, Since living here for about a month in Las Vegas, i haven't seen ONE blatant Illegal Prostitute like i Did in Baltimore or DC.. If any Prostitution should Stay Illegal its Child Prostitution which i haven't seen anyone Bring up, Just Remember that, that really is a thing. 

Edited March 26, 201511 yr by XBR410

I support legalized prostitution. First reason is that it reduces crimes such as human trafficking. The other reason is that for some people, there are no other opportunities to make a living, and I support the right for people to make their living however they please. It does not objectify women, it can help those who do not have any other way.

 

There's allways more and better choices then prostitution. Second, no it won't reduce human trafficking; not majorly anyway. Why would it?

There's allways more and better choices then prostitution. Second, no it won't reduce human trafficking; not majorly anyway. Why would it?

Providing legal competition in the face of a black market severely impacts the black market. The legalization of marijuana in Colorado alone has had a large financial impact on the Cartels. 

Providing legal competition in the face of a black market severely impacts the black market. The legalization of marijuana in Colorado alone has had a large financial impact on the Cartels. 

 

Don't know much about Cartels, drug trafficing in Amsterdam is alot diffrent. You're right though, excuses.

 

Still I don't think the impact on prostitution legalization will be as big as the new marijuana law.

Don't know much about Cartels, drug trafficing in Amsterdam is alot diffrent. You're right though, excuses.

 

Still I don't think the impact on prostitution legalization will be as big as the new marijuana law.

I do agree that the impact on human trafficking would be less than the impact on drug cartels, but there is definite reason to believe there would be some degree of impact. Human trafficking a global issue of a mind-boggling scale, so determining the exact impact is difficult. 

 

I think this is also due in part to the nature of the two matters. Way more people consume marijuana (in the US at least) than solicit prostitutes. They're different animals but generally "vices" that have thriving black markets follow similar trends when an effort is made to decriminalize/legalize it. 

I'f Prostitution is legalized the Pimps will be Forced to find another Job or Pay Taxes on Prostitution since a Good Chunk of The Customers are going to go to a LEGAL Source of Prostitution, they may have their Habits yes but if given the choice to go about that habit the Legal way 7 times out of 10 they will, and about the Second part Yes Illegal Prostitution wont get Completely Taken Down because of the legalization However it will be Reduced Drastically Just Because People DON'T want the Stress of a Possibility to go to Jail if they can Avoid that, and By the way if the Stigma Grows that most if not all Illegal Prostitutes are known to have STD's that's just gonna more Customers Away from Illegal Prostitution to Legal Prostitution because its Safer. and For whats it worth about Legal Prostitution not stopping Illegal Prostitution, Since living here for about a month in Las Vegas, i haven't seen ONE blatant Illegal Prostitute like i Did in Baltimore or DC.. If any Prostitution should Stay Illegal its Child Prostitution which i haven't seen anyone Bring up, Just Remember that, that really is a thing. 

That's assuming that a customer would actually accept to pay more for the same thing. Because we all talk about if it should be legalized without bringing the economic part. If the "job" of prostitute is legalized, that means they will have to pay taxes. If they do, they'll earn less money than before. So if they want to be on the legal side, and still earn the same ammount of money, they'll increase their prices. Increased prices will also lower the ammount of people accepting to go with legal prostitutes, in addition of all I said before. So again, there's no assurance it'll actually do that. Besides, I'm pretty sure a fair ammount of prostitutes would prefer to remain on the illegal side for their own reasons, be it that they want to remain anonymous from government and public, or that they refuse to pay taxes, and so on.

That's assuming that a customer would actually accept to pay more for the same thing. Because we all talk about if it should be legalized without bringing the economic part. If the "job" of prostitute is legalized, that means they will have to pay taxes. If they do, they'll earn less money than before. So if they want to be on the legal side, and still earn the same ammount of money, they'll increase their prices. Increased prices will also lower the ammount of people accepting to go with legal prostitutes, in addition of all I said before. So again, there's no assurance it'll actually do that. Besides, I'm pretty sure a fair ammount of prostitutes would prefer to remain on the illegal side for their own reasons, be it that they want to remain anonymous from government and public, or that they refuse to pay taxes, and so on.

You're taking all the words out of my mouth. So rather than repeat the same thing, I'll just like your responses if I agree. I've never heard of a prostitute being happy and enthusiastic about being a prostitute. From my personal experience, prostitutes really don't want to be prostitutes. Sometimes these women have children, family, people they need to take care of. They're willing to do anything they can to help those people, and sometimes prostitution is the decision they make. Legalizing it, as Hystery said, causes more problems than it solves.

Edited March 26, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz