Jesus Christ.

If i remember correctly, there was a cop that shot an unarmed white man not so long ago, right?

But now, one black man down, the world looks at the cops as they're worse then the nazis.

The guy could have been armed, but he wasn't. 

 

And they could have had peaceful protests, but throwing bricks and Molotov's at cop cruisers makes everything worse.

Do anyone have numbers on how many people and cops that have been killed so far? And the number of looted buildings?

 

 

Bastard should have been fried wish I was the judge in this case.

 

God thanks you're not.

OHHH thank God! I thought you were on their side...

With that west Virginia logo I bet nobody has to ask what side your on. 

Bastard should have been fried wish I was the judge in this case.

He really didn't do anything wrong, he followed procedures and the facts pretty much points towards his innocence.

He really didn't do anything wrong, he followed procedures and the facts pretty much points towards his innocence.

 

That's not entirely right either. He had a really bad way of making contact and he didn't revaluate the situation good enough, from the sound of it he rushed and fucked up. Neither are true saints and this rioting is wrong.

Edited November 25, 201411 yr by Olanov

Bastard should have been fried wish I was the judge in this case.

Jesus. Again.

 

That would have done things better.

Not.

What would have done stuff better is to put a "Operation Garden Plot" in there.

 

National Guards, U.S Army and Heli's lighting up the sky, with roadblocks, Riot Task Forces, Curfews and emergency warnings. 

Then atleast most of the public is safe and secure.

Bastard should have been fried wish I was the judge in this case.

Planning on making some bacon there?

Anybody wanna watch a stream here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsrevo/theater

5 stars anybody?

 

 

 

I think they deserve more than just five.

 

That's not entirely right either. He had a really bad way of making contact and he didn't revaluate the situation good enough, from the sound of it he rushed and fucked up. Neither are true saints and this rioting is wrong.

Yeah you make a good point, I just read the testimony given by him in court.

 

Planning on making some bacon there?

Notice he spelled fired wrong.

I'm aware of the legal definition of perjury. I was mostly referring the witnesses that claimed to see something, but then admitted during questioning that they weren't actually there when the incident occurred. I was also being partially sarcastic. There were some witnesses that made statements to the media at the start about seeing Brown being shot in the back, but their own statements also indicated that they were not looking out their windows or were not outside at the time until after they heard the shots being fired. Those same statements are part of the fuel from the start of the incident that led to the hysteria we see today. I personally don't believe that someone can be honestly confused or have a differing opinion about what they saw when they actually didn't see anything at all, and some of the statements people made helped to incite these riots.

If someone said both that they saw something and then that they weren't there, and said both under oath to the grand jury, then perjury would be a perfectly reasonable charge (it's quite easy to show someone lied if their own testimony has a blatant contradiction: there's no innocent explanation for thinking you saw something when you were far away). But there's no law against lying in the media; at most you'd have a lawsuit for libel. However, it's just about impossible for Wilson to win such a lawsuit, because courts have recognized that it's really, really dangerous to let government officials punish people who criticize them. In some cases it's possible, but there's a strong bias in favor of free speech because of the risk of abuse to prevent criticism of the government. That's why it's unreasonable to consider criminal prosecution for lying in the media: it's so, so, so open to abuse.

About grand juries: I was also surprised when I first learned it wasn't incorporated; I had assumed everything was incorporated to the states. However, given that grand juries essentially always indict (the common phrase is that "a moderately competent prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich"), it seems like it might be a good thing when states don't use them (when they were invented in England, prosecutions were brought by private citizens, and so the grand jury had a major role to play in deciding whose cases were enough to bring to trial. Now that prosecutions are brought by government prosecutors, with evidence collected by government agents who are part of a large police force, I could buy that they're no longer fit for purpose).

He really didn't do anything wrong, he followed procedures and the facts pretty much points towards his innocence.

False This kid was unarmed plain and simple. That should day it all. Police are required to use non lethal force in this instance. Taser would have been the best choice.

False This kid was unarmed plain and simple. That should day it all. Police are required to use non lethal force in this instance. Taser would have been the best choice.

He was reaching for his gun! I would have shot him myself.

Jesus Christ.

If i remember correctly, there was a cop that shot an unarmed white man not so long ago, right?

But now, one black man down, the world looks at the cops as they're worse then the nazis.

The guy could have been armed, but he wasn't. 

 

And they could have had peaceful protests, but throwing bricks and Molotov's at cop cruisers makes everything worse.

Do anyone have numbers on how many people and cops that have been killed so far? And the number of looted buildings?

 

No numbers but I know one has been shot, was transported to a hospital and there's a trooper MIA.

False This kid was unarmed plain and simple. That should day it all. Police are required to use non lethal force in this instance. Taser would have been the best choice.

 

Yeah, that's the part I feel worst about. I get if the GSW would've occured during the struggle for the gun, you know? But it's fishy that it occured after he was walking at Wilson. Still though, I don't feel really sorry for Brown that much. Sure, he didn't deserve to die but he wasn't a big saint either. At the same time, this cop was alone and facing a guy bigger than him, that was not reacting to any sort of warnings and kept walking towards Wilson, not backing down.

 

Him getting fired and sent down to a manslaughter charge would've sounded pretty justified, but this is how it turned out. People have the right to be pissed but rioting is not at all justified.

Honestly, after reading news reports, i don't think he should've kept his job, The only reason he would've kept his job is because he has the role of "police officer" these situations are tricky because if you let him keep his job riots happen, if you fire him then police officers will be pissed off to the point they most likely won't show up for any other court cases.. which results in criminals being let into the street.

 

if i was on that jury, i would've voted guilty.. because honestly his "he went for my gun" story sound like absolute bullcrap.. he is saying that to save his own ass, 99% of cops always say that. I couldn't care less which way you put it.. in my eyes, it was murder.

Honestly, after reading news reports, i don't think he should've kept his job, The only reason he would've kept his job is because he has the role of "police officer" these situations are tricky because if you let him keep his job riots happen, if you fire him then police officers will be pissed off to the point they most likely won't show up for any other court cases.. which results in criminals being let into the street.

 

if i was on that jury, i would've voted guilty.. because honestly his "he went for my gun" story sound like absolute bullcrap.. he is saying that to save his own ass, 99% of cops always say that. I couldn't care less which way you put it.. in my eyes, it was murder.

 

So would things be better if we didn't have ANY law enforcement so we won't have things like this happening?

Very sad that these business owners do not have a business to go to now that it has been burned down by these subhumans. :-(

I'm going to ask you not to refer to people as subhumans. They aren't subhumans, they're American citizens.

 

Bastard should have been fried wish I was the judge in this case.

Let me count the issues with that:

1) This was a decision on whether to indict. Even if the grand jury returned an indictment, that does not imply guilt - it means it goes to trial. This was not a trial; it was a really stretched-out instance of the kind of proceeding that's normally routinely done. You don't hear about them very often because they very rarely do anything but indict who they're asked to indict. Indictments do not result in any sentence.

2) Even if there were an indictment, the trial almost certainly wouldn't have had evidence to support capital murder (there are very strict rules about what counts as capital murder).

3) A judge cannot convict anyone of a crime (with the possible exception of if they waive a jury trial; no one does that, though).

4) A judge cannot impose a death sentence unless a jury has found the extra aggravating factors of capital murder beyond a reasonable doubt. A jury must find the person death-eligible; the judge can't make that decision themselves.

5) There is no judge in a grand jury proceeding. The whole point of a grand jury is that a prosecutor goes to a bunch of citizens, presents evidence in secret, and asks for an indictment. There's no role there for a judge; the grand jury happens before a judge ever sees the case.

As for the claim "unarmed = lethal force isn't allowed" - This is not even a little bit true. Lethal force is allowed when reasonably believed to be necessary to save a life. Someone can kill without being armed; they can give the impression they're armed without actually being so; they can attempt to obtain a weapon but fail to do so (in this case, from what I can tell, it's claimed that that last one happened). An attempt to steal a cop's gun can absolutely result in justifiable use of lethal force.

 

Jesus. Again.

 

That would have done things better.

Not.

What would have done stuff better is to put a "Operation Garden Plot" in there.

 

National Guards, U.S Army and Heli's lighting up the sky, with roadblocks, Riot Task Forces, Curfews and emergency warnings. 

Then atleast most of the public is safe and secure.

 

Except for the part where American citizens are treated as the enemy by their own government. Is it seriously that weird an opinion that the government should generally try to use the absolute minimum amount of force to maintain order, and that the military should be the absolute last resort? That responding to riots caused by excessive use of force by police by deploying maximal force is pretty much guaranteed to solve nothing?

 

That's not entirely right either. He had a really bad way of making contact and he didn't revaluate the situation good enough, from the sound of it he rushed and fucked up. Neither are true saints and this rioting is wrong.

 

Yup. No one's a saint, in this or any other situation.

So would things be better if we didn't have ANY law enforcement so we won't have things like this happening?

 

I don't think he meant that.

 

With that west Virginia logo I bet nobody has to ask what side your on. 

What are you implying? 

Except for the part where American citizens are treated as the enemy by their own government. Is it seriously that weird an opinion that the government should generally try to use the absolute minimum amount of force to maintain order, and that the military should be the absolute last resort? That responding to riots caused by excessive use of force by police by deploying maximal force is pretty much guaranteed to solve nothing?

Look, what i have read, apparently it should be like LA back in '92. Absolute chaos.

There should atleast be National Guards to secure some places, such as the airport, because if the riot hits the airport, damage for billions could happen. 

It have been going for three months now, they'l need to put and end to this.

Edited November 25, 201411 yr by Officer Vic