Under all that adrenaline, 6 shots were probably necessary to take him down. And again, under that stress and adrenaline, it's pretty hard to just shoot someone in the leg willy nilly. Police are trained to shoot in the center mass(easier target) and  shoot to kill or until the target is down. You never shoot to wound.

I understand what you are saying but I don't know if the man was armed or unarmed. If he had a weapon then yes shoot to kill. If unarmed then it wouldn't be as much adrenaline. I've been there before with someone unarmed but I didn't shoot at all. It was just a 20 second fight and off to jail he went. But like I said I wasn't there so I don't know how the situation was.

Really I don't know how everything went down but I personally don't think it takes six shots to take the kid down. I'm not saying things shouldn't have happen like it did but I  wasn't there to see it and neither were any of us. But I do know for a fact 1 or 2 shots to the arm or leg will stop someone.

 

I posted this in another thread a few days ago, but it merits repeating here since the point is very relevant to this case as well, and EVERY officer involved shooting.

 

After any Officer Involved Shooting, there will always be people wanting to know why the officer didn't just shoot him in the arm or something. The answer to that question is simple; because it just doesn't work.

 

When the human body goes into "fight or flight" mode during an adrenaline rush, pain is suppressed and the brain can cause your body to push through significant physical injury, including gun shots. Add in the possibility of someone being under the influence of a controlled substance or alcohol, and shooting someone in the arm or leg can literally have zero effect on the person. Not to mention the impractically of expecting even a good marksman to hit a small moving target like an arm or leg without putting undue risk to anyone in the background. Tasers are also ineffective for the same reason among many others (baggy clothing, heavy winter coats, multiple layers of clothing, probes missing or not being close enough, etc).

 

Here's a good example in the video below. The suspect in this video was shot 5 times, including TWICE in the head, once in the chest, once in the shoulder, and once in his wrist. Despite that, and even despite being shot twice in the head and once in the chest, the suspect not only survived, but still retained full body control and was coherent enough to get out of the car after being shot and comply with the officers commands after the shooting. The suspect wasn't laying there dead, or even screaming in pain, because his body suppressed the pain sensation and essentially ignored the injuries.

 

Austin, TX Officer Involved Shooting 08/31/2013

 

 

That is why police do not, and should not try to shoot people in the arms or legs, or anywhere other than center mass with continuous fire until the threat has been completely stopped. Any attempt to do anything else does not work and will almost always result in the officer being injured or killed.

I posted this in another thread a few days ago, but it merits repeating here since the point is very relevant to this case as well, and EVERY officer involved shooting.

 

After any Officer Involved Shooting, there will always be people wanting to know why the officer didn't just shoot him in the arm or something. The answer to that question is simple; because it just doesn't work.

 

When the human body goes into "fight or flight" mode during an adrenaline rush, pain is suppressed and the brain can cause your body to push through significant physical injury, including gun shots. Add in the possibility of someone being under the influence of a controlled substance or alcohol, and shooting someone in the arm or leg can literally have zero effect on the person. Not to mention the impractically of expecting even a good marksman to hit a small moving target like an arm or leg without putting undue risk to anyone in the background. Tasers are also ineffective for the same reason among many others (baggy clothing, heavy winter coats, multiple layers of clothing, probes missing or not being close enough, etc).

 

Here's a good example in the video below. The suspect in this video was shot 5 times, including TWICE in the head, once in the chest, once in the shoulder, and once in his wrist. Despite that, and even despite being shot twice in the head and once in the chest, the suspect not only survived, but still retained full body control and was coherent enough to get out of the car after being shot and comply with the officers commands after the shooting. The suspect wasn't laying there dead, or even screaming in pain, because his body suppressed the pain sensation and essentially ignored the injuries.

 

Austin, TX Officer Involved Shooting 08/31/2013

 

 

That is why police do not, and should not try to shoot people in the arms or legs, or anywhere other than center mass with continuous fire until the threat has been completely stopped. Any attempt to do anything else does not work and will almost always result in the officer being injured or killed.

lol that looks fake unless they shot him with rubbers or something. but dont get me wrong this might have been the case. thats why more departments should use tasers or some sort of nonlethal weapon.

Edited November 26, 201411 yr by ASTK9

lol that looks fake unless they shot him with rubbers or something. but dont get me wrong this might have been the case. thats why more departments should use tasers or some sort of nonlethal weapon.

 

It doesn't look fake at all, because it isn't fake. Why should tasers or other non lethal weapons be used more? A taser or non lethal weapon would have been even less effective in the incident that I posted.

 

More people need to just stop breaking the law.

 

Here's another video of an officer involved shooting where the suspect isn't immediately incapacitated, and in fact doesn't even react to being shot. 

 

 

Here's yet another video where an officer attempts to use OC spray, which fails. When he finally resorts to his firearm, the suspect fights through a point blank shot and continues fighting for several minutes, disarming the officer and attempts to murder the officer with his own gun. If the gun hadn't jammed, the officer would be dead.

 

 

This is the dash camera footage of Deputy Kyle Dinkheller. This is what happens when you are faced with a deadly force situation and you hesitate.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acPaUsglL3s

 

When your life is on the line, you do not take any chances.

 

The reality is that self defense tactics and training are the way they are for a reason, and the reason is usually that doing it any other way does not work. If it gets to the point that a person fears for their life, they are allowed to respond with deadly force, whether they are a citizen or a police officer. Deadly force with a firearm means shooting someone center mass with continuous fire until the threat has stopped. Doing it any other way simply does not work reliably enough for it to be a standard practice.

 

Hollywood and naivety have also deceived people that don't have adequate training or experience with firearms to believe that a single gun shot to the arm or leg is not only possible, but will instantly render a suspect compliant and lying on the ground. That is false, beyond any reproach.

Edited November 27, 201411 yr by johnclark1102

It doesn't look fake at all, because it isn't fake. Why should tasers or other non lethal weapons be used more? A taser or non lethal weapon would have been even less effective in the incident that I posted.

 

More people need to just stop breaking the law.

 

Here's another video of an officer involved shooting where the suspect isn't immediately incapacitated, and in fact doesn't even react to being shot. 

 

 

Here's yet another video where an officer attempts to use OC spray, which fails. When he finally resorts to his firearm, the suspect fights through a point blank shot and continues fighting for several minutes, disarming the officer and attempts to murder the officer with his own gun. If the gun hadn't jammed, the officer would be dead.

 

 

This is the dash camera footage of Deputy Kyle Dinkheller. This is what happens when you are faced with a deadly force situation and you hesitate.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acPaUsglL3s

 

When your life is on the line, you do not take any chances.

 

The reality is that self defense tactics and training are the way they are for a reason, and the reason is usually that doing it any other way does not work. If it gets to the point that a person fears for their life, they are allowed to respond with deadly force, whether they are a citizen or a police officer. Deadly force with a firearm means shooting someone center mass with continuous fire until the threat has stopped. Doing it any other way simply does not work reliably enough for it to be a standard practice.

 

Hollywood and naivety have also deceived people that don't have adequate training or experience with firearms to believe that a single gun shot to the arm or leg is not only possible, but will instantly render a suspect compliant and lying on the ground. That is false, beyond any reproach.

I'm not saying this wasn't self defense. Now if it was like the Trayvon Martin case then I would disagree with it because they got that whole thing on camera and you can see what happened. I haven't seen any video of this incident so I'm not going to agree nor disagree with it

I'm not saying this wasn't self defense. Now if it was like the Trayvon Martin case then I would disagree with it because they got that whole thing on camera and you can see what happened. I haven't seen any video of this incident so I'm not going to agree nor disagree with it

 

 

The Trayvon Martin case was also ruled by a jury to be lawful self defense within the bounds of the law.

 

And as far as I recall, nothing about the Trayvon Martin incident was on video so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Edited November 27, 201411 yr by johnclark1102

The Trayvon Martin case was also ruled by a jury to be lawful self defense within the bounds of the law.

 

And as far as I recall, nothing about the Trayvon Martin incident was on video so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Actually it was on video and it wasn't released to the public. Also that case was stupid. All the kid was doing was walking to the store to get some skittles. Zimmerman just had to approach him since he was wearing a black hoodie and was walking in the dark.

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sorry I was trying to use it as a example of something. not to turn it into a whole discussion.

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Edited April 13, 201511 yr by 9vd5

And if he just would have not shot the guy and actually arrested him none of this would have happened hmm wonder why. How can you be allowed to have your right to a fair and speedy trial when you're dead.

And if he just would have not shot the guy and actually arrested him none of this would have happened hmm wonder why. How can you be allowed to have your right to a fair and speedy trial when you're dead.

Oh dear, please tell me this is a joke, I suggest you at crossfires post on page six as he explains it best, the edvidence given not only proves his innocence, but pokes major holes in a lot of the *eye witness accounts*. I'm not sure where you're getting at.

Update: The Justice Department has finished its investigation, and is not pursuing federal charges against Wilson, finding that the evidence does not support bringing this case before a federal grand jury (report).