I feel like I only hear about bad situations and mishaps involving weaponry in big areas and states. For example, I have never, ever heard about a police mishap in Rhode Island. (:D). 

 

I don't know, that's just me.

RIP cool guy.

 

While we may not have any police mishaps, for some reason we've got a real taste for stabbing eachother and swords. 

 

For example this happened just this morning

 

http://wpri.com/2014/08/28/man-with-sword-barricades-himself-inside-home/

Edited August 28, 201411 yr by xmusicman92x

Well I love to see all the jumping to conclusions about what the cops did wrong or what is wrong with policing today before we even have the full story. What if the camera crew had moved to another spot and didn't realize they had moved into crossfire? I'm sure when shooting starts happening things get intense and you might not know what you are walking into.

 

For those of you complaining about the lack of firearms training, I will tell you that when I went through the police academy we spent an entire month at the range just shooting (at least that is how they do it in Florida). I actually got more firearms training in the police academy then I did when I joined the Army (I was pretty disappointed). Yes, training like that doesn't happen when you get to an agency usually but they do have opportunities for you to shoot besides just when you need to qualify. However, pretty much every department has issues with budgets and therefor cannot spend as much money conducting these training events as often. And by the way, there is no way any of us can know how often police train. Yes, I can tell you what many of my local area (when I lived in the states) agencies do for firearms training and how often they do it but I cannot make a HUGE generalization on every agency in America. So just because you know how often a couple agencies train and what their training consists of (which unless you work there or know someone who works there you probably don't know jack shit anyway) does not mean that you can now apply that to every agency in the U.S.

They still make "Cops"?  haven't seen a new ep in ages....

 

RIP for the dead.

Yeah, they come on Spike. I forget which days though

Well I love to see all the jumping to conclusions about what the cops did wrong or what is wrong with policing today before we even have the full story. What if the camera crew had moved to another spot and didn't realize they had moved into crossfire? I'm sure when shooting starts happening things get intense and you might not know what you are walking into.

 

For those of you complaining about the lack of firearms training, I will tell you that when I went through the police academy we spent an entire month at the range just shooting (at least that is how they do it in Florida). I actually got more firearms training in the police academy then I did when I joined the Army (I was pretty disappointed). Yes, training like that doesn't happen when you get to an agency usually but they do have opportunities for you to shoot besides just when you need to qualify. However, pretty much every department has issues with budgets and therefor cannot spend as much money conducting these training events as often. And by the way, there is no way any of us can know how often police train. Yes, I can tell you what many of my local area (when I lived in the states) agencies do for firearms training and how often they do it but I cannot make a HUGE generalization on every agency in America. So just because you know how often a couple agencies train and what their training consists of (which unless you work there or know someone who works there you probably don't know jack shit anyway) does not mean that you can now apply that to every agency in the U.S.

 

I don't know where anyone in this topic blamed the individual cops. I see failed policies, and I don't think they should continue. The main cause of what happened has to do with a lack of awareness of surroundings when shooting occurred, which could have been prevented by training under stress. I took a basic defensive rifle course last year and a big part of it introduced from early on was being aware of your surroundings in a full 360 degrees. Just because a threat appears doesn't mean a situation becomes static, and police need to look for more potential hazards or complications as it goes on.

 

On the point of the Army, that is because a small part of it is a combat related Military Occupation Specialty, and even less of that is a job where a rifle matters.

 

I base the generalization on every single cop I have talked with (most I have met at gun events or while shooting) saying that almost none of their co workers shoot outside of qualification and other blanket statements. Some specific quotes that come to mind are "I'm willing to admit that most cops are terrible shots" and "most cops don't care as long as their gun goes bang."

 

I also know qualifications in my area based on talking to those cops mentioned above, some times at the shooting range that all PDs in my county rent for qualifications and training. For reference, I live in a fairly rich county so cops have bigger budgets here than in most areas in my state.

 

For some more specific items that affirm my generalizations, one of them containing an anecdote from Florida:

http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/3738401-Police-firearms-training-How-often-should-you-be-shooting/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/01/robert-farago/new-study-police-firearms-training-sucks/ ( study link)

I don't know where anyone in this topic blamed the individual cops. I see failed policies, and I don't think they should continue. The main cause of what happened has to do with a lack of awareness of surroundings when shooting occurred, which could have been prevented by training under stress. I took a basic defensive rifle course last year and a big part of it introduced from early on was being aware of your surroundings in a full 360 degrees. Just because a threat appears doesn't mean a situation becomes static, and police need to look for more potential hazards or complications as it goes on.

 

On the point of the Army, that is because a small part of it is a combat related Military Occupation Specialty, and even less of that is a job where a rifle matters.

 

I base the generalization on every single cop I have talked with (most I have met at gun events or while shooting) saying that almost none of their co workers shoot outside of qualification and other blanket statements. Some specific quotes that come to mind are "I'm willing to admit that most cops are terrible shots" and "most cops don't care as long as their gun goes bang."

 

I also know qualifications in my area based on talking to those cops mentioned above, some times at the shooting range that all PDs in my county rent for qualifications and training. For reference, I live in a fairly rich county so cops have bigger budgets here than in most areas in my state.

 

For some more specific items that affirm my generalizations, one of them containing an anecdote from Florida:

http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/3738401-Police-firearms-training-How-often-should-you-be-shooting/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/01/robert-farago/new-study-police-firearms-training-sucks/ ( study link)

What policies are failed here? What policy could have prevented this tragedy? Obviously you know something about this shooting that I don't. From all the articles I've seen it just says that a cops camera crew man was shot and that the police were the only ones doing the shooting. We don't know any of the details yet we are blaming training on this incident. Like I said before what if they inadvertently walked into the line of fire? Things happen quickly during these situations and some things are just unavoidable no matter how much training or experience you have. For all we know the guy could have accidentally stood up in front of someone's gun as they were firing at the suspect.

 

Trust me I know why the Army doesn't have as much firearms training as they used to. I understand why it is that why I was just stating that I was disappointed.

 

Again, grouping an entire nation of police officers into one group because you've talked to a few cops still doesn't justify making such a huge generalization. Now the fact that you later brought up some studies that back up your statement gives you a little more validity but just saying it is so because you've talked to a few police officers doesn't exactly cut it. I've talked to a few doctors but I couldn't tell you jack shit about their jobs.

 

My overall point being is that with so few details out about the situation it frustrates me to see people already finding something wrong with the situation. It is no different than what the people in Ferguson did when Michael Brown was shot. They heard someone was shot and immediately started jumping to conclusions before an investigation had been completed and details released.

What policies are failed here? What policy could have prevented this tragedy? Obviously you know something about this shooting that I don't. From all the articles I've seen it just says that a cops camera crew man was shot and that the police were the only ones doing the shooting. We don't know any of the details yet we are blaming training on this incident. Like I said before what if they inadvertently walked into the line of fire? Things happen quickly during these situations and some things are just unavoidable no matter how much training or experience you have. For all we know the guy could have accidentally stood up in front of someone's gun as they were firing at the suspect.

Trust me I know why the Army doesn't have as much firearms training as they used to. I understand why it is that why I was just stating that I was disappointed.

Again, grouping an entire nation of police officers into one group because you've talked to a few cops still doesn't justify making such a huge generalization. Now the fact that you later brought up some studies that back up your statement gives you a little more validity but just saying it is so because you've talked to a few police officers doesn't exactly cut it. I've talked to a few doctors but I couldn't tell you jack shit about their jobs.

My overall point being is that with so few details out about the situation it frustrates me to see people already finding something wrong with the situation. It is no different than what the people in Ferguson did when Michael Brown was shot. They heard someone was shot and immediately started jumping to conclusions before an investigation had been completed and details released.

That's what I've been saying as well. The camera man should have been behind the police, not anywhere where he could have been caught by crossfire, let alone the police's bullets.

That's what I've been saying as well. The camera man should have been behind the police, not anywhere where he could have been caught by crossfire, let alone the police's bullets.

Now I'm not saying that is what happened just saying there are several possibilites. We can sit here and examine all the different scenarios that could have happened and Monday morning quarterback each one of them, the only thing that will accomplish in the end is making us look like jackasses when the real details get released and we know what actually happened.

 

It is unfortunate this happened and I'm sure they signed a liability wavier so I doubt there will be any legal issues between the family of the man and the police department. If in fact the camera crew somehow walked into a spot they probably shouldn't have gone to I will not fault them for that, they were just trying to do their jobs. In the end this is just an unfortunate accident that I'm sure the Cops camera crews and/or law enforcement agencies can learn from, until then we are just going to have to sit and wait patiently for more details.

My father's a police officer and he's told about how bad of shots some of the other officer are at his department. I think he's qualifies for the handgun 2 times year and 1 time for long guns. Even though it's a small village department under 100 officers, you never know what might happen and training should be a bigger priority.

 

Let's not forget that officers are trained "Shoot to kill". So if you have 1-4 officers shooting to kill, there's going to be a lot rounds(let's say 6-17 rounds each officer) going in different directions.

 

One more thing, I think it's time for bb guns to have some sort of coloring on the barrel, airsoft guns have an orange tip, so let's have bb guns be yellow or pink. I know any criminal can just paint it black, but I believe there was an incident at Walmart somewhere where a guy was fatally shot for messing around with a bb gun.

This is how airsoft guns are in Canada.

http://www.lcpdfr.com/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-72689-0-33531300-1409263675.jpghttp://www.lcpdfr.com/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-72689-0-45309200-1409263676.jpg

 

What policies are failed here? What policy could have prevented this tragedy? Obviously you know something about this shooting that I don't. From all the articles I've seen it just says that a cops camera crew man was shot and that the police were the only ones doing the shooting. We don't know any of the details yet we are blaming training on this incident. Like I said before what if they inadvertently walked into the line of fire? Things happen quickly during these situations and some things are just unavoidable no matter how much training or experience you have. For all we know the guy could have accidentally stood up in front of someone's gun as they were firing at the suspect.

 

Trust me I know why the Army doesn't have as much firearms training as they used to. I understand why it is that why I was just stating that I was disappointed.

 

Again, grouping an entire nation of police officers into one group because you've talked to a few cops still doesn't justify making such a huge generalization. Now the fact that you later brought up some studies that back up your statement gives you a little more validity but just saying it is so because you've talked to a few police officers doesn't exactly cut it. I've talked to a few doctors but I couldn't tell you jack shit about their jobs.

 

My overall point being is that with so few details out about the situation it frustrates me to see people already finding something wrong with the situation. It is no different than what the people in Ferguson did when Michael Brown was shot. They heard someone was shot and immediately started jumping to conclusions before an investigation had been completed and details released.

Obviously, we don't know the policies. However, we do know that the wrong person was shot by police, and that police have a history of poor firearms training which often leads to situations like this.

 

Sorry if it seemed like I was holding that point of the army against you, and I wasn't accusing you of not knowing. I was just pointing that out for the others on here. Additionally for others, units that are about to be deployed often get a lot more training that is more relevant, since infantry training primarily covers basic tactics due to the variety of infantry units some one may be assigned to.

 

It's not necessarily just because of a few cops. PDs in my county are the most well funded per-capita in the state, leading to more training in all things. This is also compared to a national qualification average of, based on everything I've read from people claiming to be officers on the internet (while not verified, it sounds reasonable considering state requirements and it was based on several topics on officer.com) of twice a year.

 

Two things that need to be kept in mind are the larger departments, which have a large budget but can't spend as much on the individual officer, and smaller departments that can't spend much on each officer either due to having small budgets. Because of these budgets, a lot of PDs that fall into either category can't afford to conduct more than the state required training.

 

My state only requires 50 rounds to be fired once a year. To shoot, the department would need to rent a space on a gun range in the area, which costs additional money. The range I go to gets about $250,000 annually from roughly 30 agencies that use it, which is about $8,000 for each agency a year.

 

So using all this, it is reasonable to assume that police not performing well in a real world life or death situation can be attributed to the poor training that most officers have.

Obviously, we don't know the policies. However, we do know that the wrong person was shot by police, and that police have a history of poor firearms training which often leads to situations like this.

Sorry if it seemed like I was holding that point of the army against you, and I wasn't accusing you of not knowing. I was just pointing that out for the others on here. Additionally for others, units that are about to be deployed often get a lot more training that is more relevant, since infantry training primarily covers basic tactics due to the variety of infantry units some one may be assigned to.

It's not necessarily just because of a few cops. PDs in my county are the most well funded per-capita in the state, leading to more training in all things. This is also compared to a national qualification average of, based on everything I've read from people claiming to be officers on the internet (while not verified, it sounds reasonable considering state requirements and it was based on several topics on officer.com) of twice a year.

Two things that need to be kept in mind are the larger departments, which have a large budget but can't spend as much on the individual officer, and smaller departments that can't spend much on each officer either due to having small budgets. Because of these budgets, a lot of PDs that fall into either category can't afford to conduct more than the state required training.

My state only requires 50 rounds to be fired once a year. To shoot, the department would need to rent a space on a gun range in the area, which costs additional money. The range I go to gets about $250,000 annually from roughly 30 agencies that use it, which is about $8,000 for each agency a year.

So using all this, it is reasonable to assume that police not performing well in a real world life or death situation can be attributed to the poor training that most officers have.

Police also have a history of having good firearms training. Look at all the clean shoots to bad ones. Just saying.. All we're doing right now is highlighting negatives and not acknowledging the positives.

Obviously, we don't know the policies. However, we do know that the wrong person was shot by police, and that police have a history of poor firearms training which often leads to situations like this.

 

Sorry if it seemed like I was holding that point of the army against you, and I wasn't accusing you of not knowing. I was just pointing that out for the others on here. Additionally for others, units that are about to be deployed often get a lot more training that is more relevant, since infantry training primarily covers basic tactics due to the variety of infantry units some one may be assigned to.

 

It's not necessarily just because of a few cops. PDs in my county are the most well funded per-capita in the state, leading to more training in all things. This is also compared to a national qualification average of, based on everything I've read from people claiming to be officers on the internet (while not verified, it sounds reasonable considering state requirements and it was based on several topics on officer.com) of twice a year.

 

Two things that need to be kept in mind are the larger departments, which have a large budget but can't spend as much on the individual officer, and smaller departments that can't spend much on each officer either due to having small budgets. Because of these budgets, a lot of PDs that fall into either category can't afford to conduct more than the state required training.

 

My state only requires 50 rounds to be fired once a year. To shoot, the department would need to rent a space on a gun range in the area, which costs additional money. The range I go to gets about $250,000 annually from roughly 30 agencies that use it, which is about $8,000 for each agency a year.

 

So using all this, it is reasonable to assume that police not performing well in a real world life or death situation can be attributed to the poor training that most officers have.

I see your point however I feel that out of all the shootings the happen in this country the majority of the time everything goes well (relatively speaking) and no innocent people are hurt. So while training doesn't happen as much most agencies would like I still would say that our police officers are well trained and able to handle most situations.

 

And don't worry about the Army thing, I know you weren't trying to hold anything against me. I know why they didn't spend a lot of time training firearms with us, it was mostly because a lot of us weren't going into combat MOS's and with the budget cuts the military spends more time training the people who are actually going to be using it.

 

My main point, like I've said before, is that we can't start judging what went wrong here without any details to the incident.

They still make "Cops"?  haven't seen a new ep in ages....

 

RIP for the dead.

You've been watching the wrong channel. FOX canceled it a couple of years ago for some reason. Spike TV picked up it and they air new episodes every Saturday at 8PM EST, and they air repeats of episodes from years past almost every night starting around 4 or 5PM EST. Newish episodes are shown in HD, older episodes are still in 4:3 aspect ratio. This season has been really action packed so far. First episode was a doosey. I think I missed the one from last week though. :(

As far as the shooting goes, I'd love to hear the police departments explanation of how this happened. Omaha supposedly asked the COPS crew into their town to show what well trained officers they have...

Edited August 30, 201411 yr by unr3al

New video from the perspective of the cameraman released on this incident:

 

WARNING-Graphic language and Shooting

wow, that is unbelievable. Looks like during the firing of the first shots the cameraman was able to take cover but the sound guy was too late for that... Then the robber ran towards him and the cop kept shooting :/ Tough luck, crazy braveness to jump in the midst of a shooting as a film crew. Cameraman got lucky. If he stayed there too, he would have been shot as well.  Sad to see this though