I posted a quote above in response to your argument. Americans think that they're all set. They have their rights, the government protects them. Everything is all happy and well. The government is taking our rights away, and most Americans don't even know it. The government doesn't care about our rights. It's all Amercan propaganda, and American citizens are drowning in it.This can start an entire separate debate from this topic, so to keep from going off topic I won't get into this particular argument any deeper. 

 

I didn't say you did compare a cell phone warrant to a house warrant. I was just requesting that you don't. Everyone seems to be comparing searching a cell phone, to searching a home. They aren't the same and I'm not talking about searching a home.

I agree with you mostly. It seems that if you intimidate someone just even a tad bit, or have authority, like say, a police officer, they'll comply with you.

 

People, wake up and smell the coffee. Just because they're police doesn't mean every single thing they do is right, and it doesn't mean that every single thing they do is for your safety. There are corrupt cops out there, that infringe upon your rights, whether this be because they are ill-informed on the statutes themselves, or otherwise.

@ tz71

 

You probably think Obama is a reptillian dont you.

 

 

Lol jks i luv everyone.

 

 

Im not like you. I will never be like you. You are the guy thats yells "YOU NEED THIS BEFORE YOU CAN DO THIS TO ME" thus making their jobs a tiny bit harder then it already is. Im the kind of guy that is going to let do what they need to to and they wont need a warrant if they need to search my phone. I dont care if they see who i talk to or what i do on my phone. I don't need to watch that video of surviving police encounters because im not like you.

 

As I said before, I am in law enforcement, and I am happy that this precedent was passed. While I do agree that what does piss me off is all those damn "How to answer a cop's questions" videos on youtube, there is a clear line of invasion of privacy AND what reasonable expectation of privacy is, and blatant disregard for any cooperation between civvies and LEOs.

Just as many other people have said, I don't have anything to hide but I still don't want them looking through my property. If they have no probable reason to search me then I will not let them. They must have a good legitimate reason to search my phone, car, house, ect.

My opinion can be summed up with this:

 

You have the right to give up your rights, but you don't have the right to give up other peoples' rights.

First I'd like to add my 2 cents worth (well its not worth that much but still), I am glad that this also was passed. This law isn't in place for the "good" LEO's, it is in place because of the "bad" LEO's that didn't know where the lines of privacy were/are. They are in place to protect our US constitutional rights (one of which is to protect against unwarranted search and seizure). This goes deeper than "I have nothing to hide so what does it matter". Look at it this way, and I know it is easy to say "well but...", lets say on your phone you and your friends/family/dog/whoever are sending naked pictures/sexting/racist jokes/religious stuff back and forth, and the officer who looks through your phone is "offended" by what you have on there....now they can either ignore it and move on or MOST LIKLEY going to find a way to give you a ticket or "harass/stop/follow/badger" you every chance they get. Don't believe this happens, well then your lucky to live in an area where LEO's respect civil rights. I am not one to think "the man" is out to get me, however I think with how the world is today and how the mindset of folks in the US (which I live in btw) we are losing more and more of our freedom's of speech, privacy and general pursuit of happiness (sound familiar???) I will also say (and this isn't to bash anyone on these threads) that the younger folks on here tend to have that "I have nothing to hide" stance then the older folks (like me) who sadly have had to experience what it is like to be an upstanding citizen and had their rights violated (even simple ones). I think that there is always a balance to laws (and I love laws), they must protect the innocent and their rights while being able to punish those that violate the laws. We should never sacrifice our freedoms for this "illusion" of safety and security we have today. I read one comment on here that said something to the effect of "would you go up to a stranger on the train/bus and ask them to look through their cell phone and ask them for their ID or where they were going?" MOST people in ANY country would tell you to please leave them alone (some not as nice) so what is the difference with a LEO? The honest truth that we the people forget is that the gov't and LEO's are just like you and m. They just happen to get paid to enforce rules that we as a society have decided need to be in place to protect the greater good while still respecting that we live in a free country that provides us the privilege to speak our minds for and against people/things/opinions we like or dislike, allow us to live/eat/sleep/work in whatever job WE decide (granted you can get hired, not being told/forced to work in the mines for example), the freedoms to dress/love/worship whomever we want. We as a people in the US take advantage of these everyday and do nothing to protect our rights as they slowly get stripped away. One last example I would like to bring up before I end this and step down from my soap box.....why is it in the US that the law that used to protect our US flag is no longer in effect? Why is it not still illegal to not have the flag lit or replace it when it's torn/tattered? Why is it not a common disrespect anymore if the flag touches the ground? It is because we as a people have given up on our "allegiance" to our flag and our country. Why is it we spend more time and energy voting for who sings the best on tv then we do to elect the people who run (used loosely) our country and take these freedoms and respectful rules away? Food for thought...

 

 

Thanks for reading.

All of you ignorant (not stupid, ignorant. Yes, there is a difference) people that say you don't have a problem with LEOs going through your cell phone, just wait until it actually happens. I'm sure when you're face to face with this problem, you would want your rights not to be violated.

Or we could just make their job a little easier and just let them do it instead of having them to put in a call and comeback with a warrant, thus just wasting more time than needed, but that's my way. I'd rather just say, "sure" instead of wasting an extra 30 min of my time when I could be doing better things then just sitting there waiting for a warrant.

im not sure if any body as catch up to it but here is ONCE YOU GET THOSE HANDCUFFS ON THEY CAN PUT IT ON YOUR ASS IF THEY WAN TO thas is thas all i got to say folks warrant or not they have the right to do what they wan cuz once we on handcuffs we are crimanals aka perps and we are suspects of a crime thas how they see it thas united states of america for you guys and thast how the law system work here COPS CAN GET AWAY WIT ANYTHING warrant or not........................

 

Edited June 27, 201411 yr by J.J Designs

im not sure if any body as catch up to it but here is ONCE YOU GET THOSE HANDCUFFS ON THEY CAN PUT IT ON YOUR ASS IF THEY WAN TO thas is thas all i got to say folks warrant or not they have the right to do what they wan cuz once we on handcuffs we are crimanals aka perps and we are suspects of a crime thas how they see it thas united states of america for you guys and thast how the law system work here COPS CAN GET AWAY WIT ANYTHING warrant or not........................

 

Only because we let them. This is a prime example of we the people not allowing them to get away with it. Yes, they can handcuff you, that is typically detaining you be still does not give them the right to search you or your property. If they arrest you they can pat you down for weapons but if you say do not search me they also have to get a warrant to search your pockets (keep in mind anything you have that is "illegal" on your person upon entering the jail is an added charge) but yes we have these rights. I am not sure that many of the people on here actually understand how a warrant works....they normally do not get them in 10 mins or even an hour....they have to be drafted, supervisor signed off on them, then it goes to a judge when then decided is there actually is LEGAL probable cause to the search or seizure and then if granted they can then search. Now, most LEO's wont send off for a warrant unless they are damn sure it will produce something because it puts a lot of spot light on what you are doing and anything you find (or don't) is recorded under your case info, to many warrants that don't come up with anything can put you in hot water. The other for a warrant is for you to retain legal counsel (a lawyer) so IF they find something they can counsel you on your next steps. That also brings up another point, you wouldn't go to court without a lawyer (who is protecting your rights btw) if someone was suing you would you? You would want to be protected so someone cant falsely accuse you of something or take money from you, so why would you let someone TRY and find something against you. Most LEO's aren't going to search you or your cell phone unless they have a reason, but then again some LEO's will stop you because they are bored and are "fishing", again don't believe it is true ask a local LEO if he randomly runs plate checks for stolen cars or registered owners who have a warrant out....most who are honest say "yes I do that but it helps us catch people"....that is what they do. I am not here to make LEO's look bad but sadly all of our laws, rules, guidelines are there because a small number of people took advantage of others, LEO's are human like the rest of us and some are shady.

 

 

Thanks for reading

 

Despite what others on this thread might say, I consider my mobile/cell phone to be an extension of my person. I will do what ever it takes via legal means to defend my personal rights and property rights. Lincon raises an interesting point, some LEO's don't care about your constitutional rights. For every nine people who defend their rights there is one person who caves in and surrenders their rights. In turn this sets off that slippery slope where that corrupt LEO feels emboldened by their actions to bully more people into waiving their rights.

 

Cheers.