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I am a sheriff explorer in Orange County, Florida

The way people generalize police is ridiculous and the disrespect the police gets

What do you think?

 

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hell yeah it is  

 

its not nearly as bad as people say a few rotten apples here and there maybe but over 95 %   are good cops

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I think there are times when police brutality should be addressed due to genuine misconduct of an officer. However, a little bit of force is often required in that line of work, and when people don't like it, it's the first thing they'll scream.

I couldn't agree more, there are to many wusses in the USA

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Is this guy a "wuss"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6Mzcs8Vuw

No, hes just stupid and he probably complained about it like a little baby when he didn't want to put is hands behind his back and got some rough justice.

oh wait i didnt read diabetic shock, the police fault this time

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No, hes just stupid and he probably complained about it like a little baby when he didn't want to put is hands behind his back and got some rough justice.

Did you even read the description? The guy was in diabetic shock. He had no control over his actions for a medical reason, and the cops beat him when he was making no threatening moves (trying to get up isn't a threatening move). While the dashcam isn't clear enough, it should be obvious that something is up besides someone resisting arrest when someone isn't even making an attempt to move when held at gunpoint and being given orders.

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Is this guy a "wuss"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6Mzcs8Vuw

daaammmnnn did anyone see that one cop just walk up and start kicking the dude in the face?? that's f***ed up.. the guy who was in the car could definitely win a lawsuit with the video.. pretty sure there 5-6 cops on him all at one time a couple of them kicking him.. don't think they teach you that in the Academy!

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Did you even read the description? The guy was in diabetic shock. He had no control over his actions for a medical reason, and the cops beat him when he was making no threatening moves (trying to get up isn't a threatening move). While the dashcam isn't clear enough, it should be obvious that something is up besides someone resisting arrest when someone isn't even making an attempt to move when held at gunpoint and being given orders.

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I edited my quote check it out

I have been on 2 supervised ride alongs but the cops in my county don't do that stuff

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The primary issue with police brutality is that it is under-reported. Many times it is the attitude of "the guy was a criminal that got caught and is trying to get revenge, no big deal." It is extremely rare that police departments take reports of misconduct seriously unless it becomes widespread on the internet, mainly because an admittance of bad eggs damages the departments reputation. My biggest issue though is the preferential treatment in court to officers charged over citizens charged. Police almost always get a lighter punishment.

I edited my quote check it out

I saw it after I already posted.

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daaammmnnn did anyone see that one cop just walk up and start kicking the dude in the face?? that's f***ed up.. the guy who was in the car could definitely win a lawsuit with the video.. pretty sure there 5-6 cops on him all at one time a couple of them kicking him.. don't think they teach you that in the Academy!

I agree, these cops were complete assholes you should not kick anyone unless you are off duty and don't carry your gun

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All of the cops in my opinion were doing the right thing by pulling him out and taking him to the ground ( except for the kicking guy ), they don't know that he is in shock. They could think that he was intoxicated or on drugs. But the cop who kicked him deserves to be fired or even arrested. The guy had six other cops on him, he didn't need a kick in the face.

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The primary issue with police brutality is that it is under-reported. Many times it is the attitude of "the guy was a criminal that got caught and is trying to get revenge, no big deal." It is extremely rare that police departments take reports of misconduct seriously unless it becomes widespread on the internet, mainly because an admittance of bad eggs damages the departments reputation. My biggest issue though is the preferential treatment in court to officers charged over citizens charged. Police almost always get a lighter punishment.

 

The way I was instructed is if you are a man cop don't use your feet at all unless you have a douche bag guy you wanna knock some sense in to or to trip

If you re a woman cop same rule applies unless you have no other resource to use ex- baton, taser, gun you go for the guys genitalia with your foot

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No, hes just stupid and he probably complained about it like a little baby when he didn't want to put is hands behind his back and got some rough justice.

oh wait i didnt read diabetic shock, the police fault this time

 

Firstly, yes I can see you corrected your stance on the video so I'm not arguing I'm just pointing things out from my perspective.

 

But personally, in that video there was no need to have half as many cops on top of that guy as there was.

And the way I see it in no circumstance should "rough justice" warrant kicking a guy in the face especially when you're doing f**k all to help restrain the guy (0:50 right side) or swinging your knee into someones chest multiple times (the 2 officers left side after 0:50).

 

The fact he was having a diabetic shock is irrelevant, you shouldn't be applying force like that even if the guy is a 6ft body builder.

An arm lock would have sufficed, which one person can do while a second applies cuffs.

 

To get back on topic to the OP:

 

Its a lot different here in the UK clearly, we have much stricter laws governing the whole situation. (we have a lot stricter laws for everything come to think of it, some are too strict)

 

In the UK all 3 of those in the video would have been suspended from active duty and probably fired altogether given the video evidence.

The suspect would have rights here in British legislation to take the police department to court. 

You're talking a section 47 ABH or even possible a section 20 GBH (Both under the Offences Against a Person Act) depending on his injuries. If he managed to come out of that unharmed then it would be much less of a sentence.

 

Just thought I would throw in some extra information on the differences because I saw a comment about being wusses saying "Not just in the USA, but all over the world." 

I agree, these cops were complete assholes you should not kick anyone unless you are off duty and don't carry your gun

You shouldn't need to kick anyone in the first place :)

I'm a pacifist lol.

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All of the cops in my opinion were doing the right thing by pulling him out and taking him to the ground ( except for the kicking guy ), they don't know that he is in shock. They could think that he was intoxicated or on drugs. But the cop who kicked him deserves to be fired or even arrested. The guy had six other cops on him, he didn't need a kick in the face.

true

 

Firstly, yes I can see you corrected your stance on the video so I'm not arguing I'm just pointing things out from my perspective.

 

But personally, in that video there was no need to have half as many cops on top of that guy as there was.

And the way I see it in no circumstance should "rough justice" warrant kicking a guy in the face especially when you're doing f**k all to help restrain the guy (0:50 right side) or swinging your knee into someones chest multiple times (the 2 officers left side after 0:50).

 

The fact he was having a diabetic shock is irrelevant, you shouldn't be applying force like that even if the guy is a 6ft body builder.

An arm lock would have sufficed, which one person can do while a second applies cuffs.

 

To get back on topic to the OP:

 

Its a lot different here in the UK clearly, we have much stricter laws governing the whole situation. (we have a lot stricter laws for everything come to think of it, some are too strict)

 

In the UK all 3 of those in the video would have been suspended from active duty and probably fired altogether given the video evidence.

The suspect would have rights here in British legislation to take the police department to court. 

You're talking a section 47 ABH or even possible a section 20 GBH (Both under the Offences Against a Person Act) depending on his injuries. If he managed to come out of that unharmed then it would be much less of a sentence.

 

Just thought I would throw in some extra information on the differences because I saw a comment about being wusses saying "Not just in the USA, but all over the world." 

You shouldn't need to kick anyone in the first place :)

I'm a pacifist lol.

Yeah I dont think they knew he was in shock anway

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Yeah I dont think they knew he was in shock anway

 

You're probably right, there is no way any one of those cops would be thinking "is he diabetic?"

Its what we call in british law an aggravating factor. (something which makes the situation worse than it already is)

 

The primary issue with police brutality is that it is under-reported. Many times it is the attitude of "the guy was a criminal that got caught and is trying to get revenge, no big deal." It is extremely rare that police departments take reports of misconduct seriously unless it becomes widespread on the internet, mainly because an admittance of bad eggs damages the departments reputation. My biggest issue though is the preferential treatment in court to officers charged over citizens charged. Police almost always get a lighter punishment.

We have that problem in the UK as well sadly. Even with our ridiculously strict laws the police find some loophole which says they weren't being too forceful.

 

Another problem we have over here is that we have very little court cases about it anyway, because when something like that happens people tend to hide away.

I've heard its different in America, apparently people like to sue each other for whatever reason they can find. I don't know how much of that is true, but I know its certainly not the case in the UK :)

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 Another problem we have over here is that we have very little court cases about it anyway, because when something like that happens people tend to hide away.

I've heard its different in America, apparently people like to sue each other for whatever reason they can find. I don't know how much of that is true, but I know its certainly not the case in the UK :)

Criminal cases are rarely filed against police brutality, and if they are and by a statistical impossibility the cop is found guilty, they get off with a much lighter sentence than an ordinary person would in the same situation. Best case scenario is usually a lawsuit, followed by the department firing the cop due to the money he costed them. But unfortunately, most cases come down to the cop feeling threatened, and they are usually reinstated.

 

One unfortunate example is this:http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/08/05/oklahoma-police-kill-5-year-old-boy-while-shooting-at-snake/. Police were called to a snake in a birdhouse. However, despite the fact it was a non-venomous black rat snake, the officer felt "threatened" and shot twice at it, missing it also. What they did manage to hit was a 5 year old child fishing with his grandpa, killing him instantly.

 

The piece of shit was expunged and is now capable and trying to get back on the force. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/08/05/oklahoma-police-kill-5-year-old-boy-while-shooting-at-snake/

Check these losers out the people are jerks

Im from Bronx NY also

Yeah, how dare they harm no one by filming cops. What is it the government says? "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about?"

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People have a First Amendment right to be jerks in public. This doesn't just include being jerks to cops, it ESPECIALLY includes being jerks to cops. As long as they don't actually impede police work, there's nothing they're doing wrong. Filming police at work should be a constitutional right.

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