Meh. I will still be buying the xbox one due to exclusives, kinect and the media control centre options. I am just more inclined for Xbox over playstation. I went through 5 PS2's before I got my 360 Super Elite in 2009 that still runs like a beast. I am overly excited for Halo 5, (or whatever they call it; still Halo 5 to me) Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3. I do like the Microsoft Smart-glass option too and Minecraft Xbox One edition just sells it for me. Call me crazy or stupid or nieve or just blindly fanatical for Microsoft Corp, but they just serve what I need better than playstation did.

I went through 5 PS2's before I got my 360 Super Elite in 2009 that still runs like a beast. 

 

What did you do with those PS2's? Bake waffles with them?

I've had my playstation 2 for over 10 years and it still runs perfectly whenever I'm in the mood for some vintage gaming. 

First, I'm not an X1 hater or PS4 fanboy, and I'm not trolling, I'm just, well, surprised by your post. And I agree that X1 has some (rare) good exclusive games.

 

Meh. I will still be buying the xbox one due to exclusives, kinect and the media control centre options.

 

You'll buy an X1 because (partially) of Kinect & Media ? You should be the one and only   
 

I went through 5 PS2's before I got my 360

 

I don't know what you did to your PS2s, I don't wanna know, but remember that the early 360s were catastrophic, RRoD ftw. Don't judge on your own experience. My PS2 was rock solid for example.

 

[...] Minecraft Xbox One edition just sells it for me

 

I don't see the point, Minecraft PC is as complete and you have mods. And even if your computer is not high-end, Minecraft can run on cheap stuff.

 

Call me crazy or stupid or nieve or just blindly fanatical for Microsoft

 

lol I must admit that it's tempting, but, well, it's your taste and your choice, it's just that your arguments seems "weird" for me, anyway they are yours, so we can't judge and blame you.

I would be *shocked* if this is true. Microsoft licenses Windows and Office directly to businesses. Unlike Xbox, software licenses are pure profit. It costs literally nothing for Microsoft to sell a Windows license to a business - there aren't even costs associated with making a disk, because the business doesn't need another disk with each install (all they need is a license key). In addition, companies pay for support, people buy MSDN and TechNet subscriptions, etc.

On the other hand, speculation is pointless. You see, as a publicly traded company, Microsoft actually has to release documents detailing its financial status. In 2012, the Entertainment and Devices Division had around $9.5bn in revenue, for around $364 million in profit. Now, in 2011, they had around $9bn in revenue for $1.5bn in profit, so 2012 might have been an aberration.

Those numbers are far less than most other divisions in Microsoft. Business division? Around $23bn in revenue, $15bn profit. Server and Tools? $17bn revenue, $7bn profit. Windows and Windows Live? $19bn revenue, $12bn profit. The only division making *less* than Entertainment and Devices is Online Services.

Don't act like Xbox is critical to Microsoft's success as a company. They are way bigger than their gaming division, and they can take the hit of a failed console. Office and Windows are total cash cows.

 

 

Don't look at me, I clearly said that if the XBOX tanks Microsoft won't die. But it's a big part of their business that they need to grow if they want to survive long term. Margin aside, remember that all of those lovely tech products services of theirs revolving around PC computing need a lot of money to be dumped right back into them immediately, which you likely won't find figures for. A support & troubleshooting staff, an army of programmers, a well staffed legal division, a huge marketing team (which they dump tons of money into to no avail), a retail store chain of their own they're dumping more and more money into each year, displays at retail stores (including new Microsoft stores within a store which you'll find at many new Best Buy locations in the coming months), a huge PR staff, a security team, tech engineers and many, many more things I'm probably not thinking of. A lot of the money made has to go right back into up-keeping their products and making sure they're supported which is going to offset a good bit of that margin (different than revenue by the way). XP is well over a decade old (2001 release I think?) and they're still supporting that until 2014. They've given it three extensions from what I remember. Windows 7's "road map" leads to 2020. Physical copies of their things do cost money to manufacture, which is why they're trying to move to all digital "key-card" activation of their Windows and Office products now.

Meanwhile on the gaming side of things, Microsoft can be relatively "hands-off" with their gaming console once its released, unless they choose otherwise (IE: the slimmer XBOX, special editions, etc). Game companies advertise their own games, and even give Microsoft a 1-2 second logo display at the end, plenty of 3rd party companies make accessories which give kick-back money to Microsoft, developers need to pay for testing and development equipment, XBOX Live subscriptions are anything but on the decline and if they have their way; their always online mentality will likely merge XBOX Live with their PC services like SkyDrive and Windows Live, so in the end this may all end up being tied together. That's their Utopian vision, anyway.

The gaming and entertainment section of their business is vitally important going forward as more consoles and devices are starting to be released by more, and sometimes arguably bigger and stronger companies. There are now two Google Android consoles that I know of with more on the way, Apple has an actual TV in the works, ASUS has a proof of concept one and said they could produce it full scale, they're just too lazy to go out and get licensing deals from all of the game developers, etc. If they stopped making XBOX's flat out, their mobile division stays just as irrelevant, and their next couple of operating systems are failures, they'd be going the way of AMD; hanging on by a thread and making inferior products to their competitor. To be clear; I'm not an all Apple or all Google person, not by a long shot. I'm an opportunist consumer. I buy what benefits me the most. So for my device lineup, the best PC for me is Microsoft Windows based, the best phone for me is Google Android based, and the best MP3 player for me is Apple iOS based. Competition is also what keeps these companies innovating and keeping prices of equipment and software reasonable, so I support all three in some manner. But I'll tell you that for what I spend, the only reason I have a Windows PC is because it uses DirectX to render games in its native form, and other OS's can't.

Edited June 19, 201312 yr by unr3al

Breaking news : http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

 

-An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games

-Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today

 

 

Edited June 19, 201312 yr by DarthWound

That was to be expected.

Why people dont like MICROSOFT ?  Anyone explain me  xD

Because they care only about money?

(Like any other major corporation)

Why people dont like MICROSOFT ?  Anyone explain me  xD

Cause they are getting arrogant and think they can push around the consumer. That will bite em' in the ass. 

[snip]

 

Although I'm still probably going with Sony for this Generation, I've gotta hand it to the gaming community. We done something incredible, its not everyday a major company like Microsoft goes back on two major game changers.

-snip-

 

You're so slooooooow :D

 

You're so slooooooow :D

 

 

GOD DAMMIT.

 

Either way, I think the gaming community deserves a massive hug.

Yeah, Internet wins. And thanks Sony too, MS sh*tted in pants partially because of them ^^

But MS wanted to screw consumers, don't forget that before blindly forgiving them and buying the console.

Why people dont like MICROSOFT ?  Anyone explain me  xD

There doing to many big things at one time to get your money. That all they care about your money 

There doing to many big things at one time to get your money. That all they care about your money 

 

Well, if they were doing good things to get our money, it would be ok.

But Windows8 and XboxOne, lol, no thanks for those craps. That's why, imho.

 

Well, if they were doing good things to get our money, it would be ok.

But Windows8 and XboxOne, lol, no thanks for those craps. That's why, imho.

don't forget the windows phone and there phone os 

And of course the one thing to take away from this reversal is that they took anything good out of the XB1 design, e.g. the on-demand access to your library and the as-of-then undefined sharing of access to select others. So the original plan was to offer you some delicious candy in one hand and punch you with the other. You don't like being punched in the face? OK, I'll stop, but I'm taking the candy with me, instead of figuring out a way to maybe just poke you in the shoulder while giving you the candy still.

Well lets see if this backpedal by Microsoft brings them back in the race, or has the pre-order damage been done?

don't forget the windows phone and there phone os 

What about it? Windows Phone OS is actually a very good mobile OS. It's fast, easy to use and syncs with other Microsoft services very easily. I swear, some people like to dump on anything with the word 'Microsoft' on it, and other people who see those people go "me too!" for the sake of it.

What about it? Windows Phone OS is actually a very good mobile OS. It's fast, easy to use and syncs with other Microsoft services very easily. I swear, some people like to dump on anything with the word 'Microsoft' on it, and other people who see those people go "me too!" for the sake of it.

 

Microsoft, Verizon Wireless, and Google - 3 most evil companies in America.

 

Also, since Microsoft did a 180 on the Xbox One DRM, they got rid of one feature I was kind of looking forward to, being that you did not always have to have a disc in the drive to play it once it is installed.

Edited June 22, 201312 yr by Senatov