Everything I've ever heard about fictional police shows is that they aren't realistic. They may strive for realism, but that frequently gets cut for better TV. I've heard the same thing about COPS: they edit and cut it to the point that it isn't all that close to actual police work. I don't know for sure, but based on how TV treats science and computing (which I *do* know about), I'd be shocked if it came anywhere near what real policing is like.

Keep in mind he also ambushed non-LAPD officers. This guy should be killed. He will not stop if police give him any room. He will continue to kill.

 

Info about other officers:

 

 

ambushes two Riverside police officers

taken from here:

http://www.sbsun.com/breakingnews/ci_22541409/key-events-hunt-ex-lapd-cop-suspected-killer

Keep in mind he also ambushed non-LAPD officers. This guy should be killed. He will not stop if police give him any room. He will continue to kill.

 

Info about other officers:

 

 

taken from here:

http://www.sbsun.com/breakingnews/ci_22541409/key-events-hunt-ex-lapd-cop-suspected-killer

 

This is becoming very similar to the Rauol Moat case we had a few years ago..

 

He shot his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend, he then shot an innocent PC as he watched traffic on a busy roundabout;

 

At 12:45 a.m. on 4 July, Police Constable David Rathband was shot while sitting in his patrol car on the roundabout of the A1 and A69 roads near East Denton.^[1] Rathband was taken to Newcastle General Hospital in a critical condition with injuries to his head and upper body.^[1][11] The Guardian reported that Moat had called police 12 minutes before shooting PC Rathband to taunt them and tell them what he was about to do. He did so again some 50 minutes after the shooting, during which he showed little remorse and complained the police are "not taking me seriously enough".^[11][15]

I feel he is long gone...

 

 

 

Around 2:30 a.m., a passer-by finds a wallet with law enforcement badge and a picture ID of Dorner on a street near San Diego International Airport.

Read more:http://www.sbsun.com/breakingnews/ci_22541409/key-events-hunt-ex-lapd-cop-suspected-killer#ixzz2KGBHbw3l

SHould have been thrown on the no fly list right away :(

I wouldn't be so sure. He seems to want to go down fighting.

This guy is former naval intelligence and knows the LAPD"s tactics. The airport ID is probably a distraction, and I'd be willing to bet that the burned truck in the hills is a currently working distraction also.

The LAPD has a long history of misconduct, just read up on the Rodney King incident and the subsequent riots, the Rampart scandal.

 

The CRASH team in GTA:SA was based on the real-life CRASH team in the LAPD, they even based the individual cops on those in the real-life CRASH.

 

The LAPD wants to silence this guy, not bring him to justice.

 

I don't see why this guy deserves to die more than the other "mass murders"  in the US, they are being labelled as mentally ill.

 

It's not "just" the LAPD. The Miami police uncovered several officers who disregarded 911 calls to conduct personal business while on the clock, the NYPD often comes under attack for similar things.

 

It's a widespread problem, not localized to LA, however they seem to be the epicentre of  the whole thing.

Mass murderers aren't labeled as "mentally ill" in the US. They're generally shot by police, or commit suicide, or, if arrested, sentenced to death or life in prison. Mental illness doesn't get you off in criminal cases; that's entirely a Hollywood myth.

As to them trying to "silence" him - Killing a spree killer seems like the right response. Seriously, I don't think this is "silencing", more "police doing their jobs". What alternative would you suggest?

Mass murderers aren't labeled as "mentally ill" in the US. They're generally shot by police, or commit suicide, or, if arrested, sentenced to death or life in prison. Mental illness doesn't get you off in criminal cases; that's entirely a Hollywood myth.

As to them trying to "silence" him - Killing a spree killer seems like the right response. Seriously, I don't think this is "silencing", more "police doing their jobs". What alternative would you suggest?

 

It would be easy to argue that they are trying  to "silence" him. For a suggested tactic, they could try identifying their targets and whether they pose a threat before firing. Cops in Torrance confused two middle aged Asian women delivering newspapers, injuring two of them and riddling their car with bullet holes simply because it was a pickup that somewhat matched the car Dorner is driving. I find it hard to confuse Asian women with a 6'4 black guy. With bone headed errors like this that will probably be dismissed, all it does is win support for Dorner.

 

Edited February 8, 201313 yr by c13

That doesn't address anything. I don't see any way shooting people who are not him could be "trying to silence him". I see many ways it could be "should not be trusted with a gun". Hanlon's razor. To my mind, "trying to silence him" means "they're trying to kill them", and not killing innocents doesn't even come close to conflicting with that.

Edited February 8, 201313 yr by cp702

-Revoked-

Edited February 22, 201313 yr by RMC

Yeah. When someone has been setting up ambushes, shoot-on-sight doesn't seem as unreasonable.

I hope they find this son of a bitch and put him in jail and have him rot...

Yeah. When someone has been setting up ambushes, shoot-on-sight doesn't seem as unreasonable.

 

Police claim to be there to protect the public. If they wanted to portray this image, they would be sure that someone at the very least was driving a car that matched the suspect's car, let alone seeing if the guy had a weapon. All they are doing by shooting anyone that remotely matches the suspect's description on sight is making more people support Dorner's actions, and blowing the lid off their corruption while at it.

 

As I said before, this isn't a typical crazed guy that had a psychological breakdown after medication, he is someone with a vendetta against the LAPD who knows their tactics as well as military tactics, years to prepare and will most likely be several steps ahead of them. I doubt that he would come back to a house which he should know would be heavily guarded, especially in a position of vulnerability where he would have no cover or surprise element should he try to ambush the cops.

 

As for what's happening now, I believe that either Dorner is setting up an ambush for the cops searching for him in the hills, or that he put his vehicle there as a distraction while he seeks to cross more names off his list.

I agree that shooting people for just driving a similar car is indefensible. I'm not defending those cops. I'm saying that that isn't what I imagine when you say they're trying to silence him. They're certainly trying to kill them, and shooting random people isn't necessarily a part of that. I especially see no way this ties to corruption. This is an incredibly stressful situation for officers, and I can imagine one thinking they see something and overreacting. This doesn't defend that; the one who overreacts should be punished. However, incompetence, especially in a stressful situation, is much, much more likely than malice.

Again, I don't dispute your claim that what they did was bad. I dispute its relevance to this discussion.

Also, would a naval intelligence officer really be heavily trained in infantry or guerilla tactics? He has about 3 years of instruction in police tactics (which isn't necessarily all that much, especially because the last tactics he learned are several years old), and I'm not convinced his military training is so suited to this.

Edited February 8, 201313 yr by cp702

He's an intelligence officer who had a high level security clearance until he was fired by the LAPD. He would have basic instruction in the infantry weapons found on his boat, which today would most likely be an M9 and an M4. However, he would have access to all sorts of files and would be able to read after-action reports on what exactly went wrong with operations and learn from that. Police training, while slightly dated, still stays pretty much the same with slight technicalities. Something would have to be a major wake up call for drastic changes to be made, for example the North Hollywood Shootout or Columbine.

He had access to those files at one point. However, did he have any access after he was fired from the LAPD? When did he leave the Navy?

EDIT: Also, I guess we probably have no idea what he *did* in intelligence. It could have been some direct action thing, if naval intelligence does that stuff. I assume that they don't tell people exactly what they do, though.

Edited February 8, 201313 yr by cp702

In his manifesto, he claims that he lost his security clearance "shortly after [his] termination." However, he wouldn't of gotten out until next week. It wouldn't be too hard to remember specific details. The main thing that would assist him is the LAPD training, which would've let him know the response to his actions and what he could expect.

It seems pretty obvious to me that there is definitely some merit to his claims.  If history teaches us anything, its that the LAPD do have a tendency to act aggressively and violently towards people, and I can easily believe that this sergeant did indeed kick the guy in the head (especially if they are firing on innocents).  It would be nice if it could get the widespread media coverage its getting without him having to kill people though, which is obviously the wrong way for him to go about clearing his name.  I suspect that one day his claims will be proven true, its just wrong that a serial killing spree is the method of publicity he's chosen.  Hopefully there's a peaceful end to this which doesn't result in anyone else, including the gunman, dying.

The LAPD has a long history of misconduct, just read up on the Rodney King incident and the subsequent riots, the Rampart scandal.

 

The CRASH team in GTA:SA was based on the real-life CRASH team in the LAPD, they even based the individual cops on those in the real-life CRASH.

 

The LAPD wants to silence this guy, not bring him to justice.

 

I don't see why this guy deserves to die more than the other "mass murders"  in the US, they are being labelled as mentally ill.

 

It's not "just" the LAPD. The Miami police uncovered several officers who disregarded 911 calls to conduct personal business while on the clock, the NYPD often comes under attack for similar things.

 

It's a widespread problem, not localized to LA, however they seem to be the epicentre of  the whole thing.

Miami and Miami-Dade are 2 different places, those 3 officers were at Miami-Dade and the were fired.