I know, this may sound a bit dramatic, but I can't help but wonder why the enormous potential of this mod seems to be going to waste. LSPDFR was initially released in 2015, which was 6 years ago.. but still, it lacks so many features compared to LCPDFR, of which the last version, version 1.1, was also released 6 years after its initial release. It feels as though LSPDFR has great, very polished foundations, but no "house" to give it a purpose. We have a great characters system, awesome appartements, some very polished animations and police related functions, but.. ultimately, they're all very situational.

 

LCPDFR had "complex" traffic stops with multiple dialogue options, partners, a hardcore mode, an interesting variety of callouts, lightning control and even an integrated ALPR system! All of this made LCPDFR a very interesting and fun experience!

 

Sure, you can rely on plugins like BejoIjo's or Rich's (love your stuff man) to fill that empty space but it often means you have to scrap some of those great but limited functions I was mentionning earlier to make it all work, like in BejoIjo's case.

 

Anyways, I guess my main point is.. isn't it time to change focus and to actually start to create gameplay value on top of those great foundations we have?

 

And to be clear, I'm not criticizing the frequency of updates nor the investement of the devs in this project, which is more than sufficient in my book (we're all adults, we have more going in our lives than just video games), but the way development seems to focus (in my opinion, as always) on less important features.

I think its more a difference in philosophy.  It seems with LSPDFR that the intention is to provide a stable and robust foundation for plugins to build on with the API.  In that regard they have done a tremendous job, I also think having to constantly contend of Rockstar's updates breaking shit takes away from what time the Dev team does have to expand the API and add additional foundation features.

I agree that in some ways LCPDR was more complex, but LCPDFR was never as stable as LSPDFR is.  I also think that a lot of that complexity was necessary to include in the base mod because it was a crap-shoot to get other modifications to alongside LCPDFR with the terrible port that was GTA IV.  

The community around police modifications is what kept them alive, and in my opinion which has caused them to have thrived, and without a doubt will continue to do so for many years to come.

 

The contributions have increased over the years, and it encouraged others to play the modifications in the way they wanted to.

 

Most people like myself only bought a PC just for the modifications itself, and the power of the community is what made the decision for me to get one which is amazing.

 

Think of LSPDFR/LCPDFR/RDFR as a framework giving the ability to play, but in addition to the framework, creators share their contributions adding hundreds of hours of gameplay to the base modifications.

 

There is no need to focus on "other features" if the community is already doing that for us.

 

There's not too many new things I can think of that we already haven't implemented.

 

Example A) We evolved from Albo's Siren Mastery to the Emergency Lighting System by Lt. Caine, and now Dynamic Lighting System by TheMaybeast.

 

Example B) We evolved from having backup units in a patrol car, the ability to call for a roadblock to a helicopter, and even boats from LCPDFR to now Ultimate Backup by BejoIjo in LSPDFR to which we can have spike strips, and the ability to customize our backup units how we please.

 

Now with RDRFR I can't imagine what people will introduce to us next.

I think they could be more room for, new features, new callouts made by LSPDFR Officials, not 3rd Party Plug-ins, i see there is a ton of potential for more stuff added to this..

For example

1- a Newer and better computer system..

 

2- a larger police stations with larger Jail System, to hold more prisoners, and they would stay in there longer.

I worked in law-enforcement for 22 years, retired of course and the town i worked for was was not a large city and the Jail cells was larger and we could hold about 150

prisoners. for holding until they was transported to a more permanent holding facility..

3- maybe add a booking area, where when you transport the prisoners to the station you bring them to the booking department, fingerprint them, and take their photo.
And then log them into the Computer for booking.

 

Our department was not too large, if you worked the day shift they was officers who would do all the booking, 9-5 type deal.

If you wokred the night or 3rd shift each officer when they made an arrest, that officer would do all the booking process then go back out on the street after, same as a DUI Arrest , most people are not aware of it but, when a police officer  in my town made a DUI arrest it took 2 to 4 hours to do all the paper work, so that officer was off the streets on his/ her shift doing paper work until he / she was finished, like i said that could take any where from 2 to 4 hours just for the paper work alone..

 

4- maybe a way for an officer to direct traffic, not sure it is possible the peds are nuts to begin with in moving their cars they will run over people just to keep moving so lol.

5- maybe a way to control or temp make street lights all the lights turn red.

 

I know we had a way to do that if we was in a high speed pursuit, we was able to turn all the traffic lights red with the press of a button on our console in the car, it would send a signal to the control box and turn all the lights red for about 30 seconds,  i believe the fire department was able to do that as well..

any way the most improvement they could do is more call outs, and maybe ones with audio speaking PEDS instead of having to press the Y key every time....
Almost like a cut scene. any way as far as it is now it's pretty good.. it does crash from time to time but still it's pretty stable..
Some times it will last 5 min before all the plugins unload and you got to reload all the plugins again, some times it would run 1 or 2 hours with out that.

How ever it just may be my fault and have too many plugins installed or something  conflicting, not sure..

 

Donny

 

20 hours ago, Joe C Wilson 017 said:

Example B) We evolved from having backup units in a patrol car, the ability to call for a roadblock to a helicopter, and even boats from LCPDFR to now Ultimate Backup by BejoIjo in LSPDFR to which we can have spike strips, and the ability to customize our backup units how we please.

I totally agree with you on that! The problem is, as I mentionned earlier, that many of the native features of LSPDFR had to be scrapped in order for BejoIjo's plugins to work. Just to mention a few: all the awesome animations G17 made when you placed someone in the back of a car, frisked them, arrested them or held them by the arm, the stats (arrests made, persons frisked, and tickets issued with STP don't register into your stats, which is a damn shame), and so much more..

 

I don't blame BejoIjo for that.. I just find it very unfortunate that you have to scrap some of this great stuff in order to reach more depth. Oh, and.. G17 showed multiple times that they weren't very supportive of BejoIjo's work, so I don't think that's what they wanted (i.e., his plugins becoming essential and keeping LSPDFR alive).

Edited November 2, 20214 yr by Officer 81

On 11/2/2021 at 1:32 AM, butanefire said:

1- a Newer and better computer system..

I thought so to.  I've been playing lspdfr for 3 years and they have had the same computer system which isn't much.  I like Computer+ and still use it.  Everyone else went to Compulite.  Also, a court system tied into arresting and citations would be need like I guess Bejoijo has with Compulite.  Computer+ was tied into Albo's LSPDFR+ but that's outdated.  Some computer system that would go full screen or if on tablet mode then go into First Person.  That would be neat. 

On 11/2/2021 at 1:32 AM, butanefire said:

2- a larger police stations with larger Jail System, to hold more prisoners

I would be worried that would cause more game crashes.  I seem to get a crash in about an hour or so depending on how busy I've been.  It's like the game will leave somethings behind after a call and I guess it keeps that in the games "memory" and eventually crashes.  I had quite a bit of mods in also.  Now I'm slowly reinstalling things since I moved it to another Drive. 

On 11/2/2021 at 1:32 AM, butanefire said:

5- maybe a way to control or temp make street lights all the lights turn red.

I was never sure if that was a real thing.  I've heard about it but couldn't figure how that would work.  I live in a big busy city and if you were approaching a red then when you push that button what happens?  I couldn't imagine the light would suddenly change.  The green traffic would be slamming on their brakes if it turned red suddenly unless it gives you a warning notice, like flashing ped hand and then yellow.   There are a lot of Engines, Ambulances and Police going down my street and about half the time they have to slow down for a red light.  For bigger intersections where they would have an individual left turn light, that is just another light cycle to deal with.  Was never sure how that actually worked. 

Not every town has the ability to control the lights, but we did, and how it worked is the signal would come from the police cruiser / Fire truck,  the signal would tell the box to turn all the lights red, it would go yellow then red on the side that had  green light. it would last for around 30 seconds, this would be a great tool because we would be less worried about traffic going though the light while we would speed through it, we could actually see if all traffic is stopped as we approche the intersection and see on all sides are stopped and able to just breeze though it, also it was used in a highspeed chase we could stop all traffic so no one gets killed by the vehicle we are chasing.
And on top of that it would add in an extra charge every time they went though the light...

 high speed pursuit may look like fun to some people but it's one of the most dangerous things i been engaged in, i've seen too many people get killed because of it and ever time we had air patrol watching the vehicle we would some times stop the pursuit especially if it was involving a drunk driver because when we have air patrol we can catch up with them either way with out putting others lives in danger..

I don't think it would cause any game crashes,  some one once created a mod / plugin where all the buildings was open and you can go inside, i think he did it for callouts.
Any way, i doubt it would cause any game crashes, just have to do it right, it would have to be some one who knows how to edit the map make changes to the map, the ability to create buildings or edit them and expand them and even edit the streets, so if you expand the main Police station you could do it and just edit the streets around it so you can make room, i think it would work fine.. 

I use to create maps for Quake back in the day they became popular, i use to create maps for the rocket arena mod, and so most of my maps ended up on almost all the Quake 3 Rocket Arena servers, they was very popluar..

..
I use to be good at it too.  if they was a program out there to edit GTA 5 maps i would get started on creating on that and even probably edit or make other buildings for other scenarios and callouts.. 

 

Maybe even like a callout for a Biker Safe House raid's and Mafia Save House Raids,  stuff like that even maybe Drug Lab Raid's.......

The possibilities are endless...

this would keep LSPDFR alive and interesting..

 

It would be a co-op effort i could edit the map, and buildings and some one could create the callouts, i don't know C#   so you have to be able to program to do that..    
Maybe BejoIjo, could create the callouts..

Donny

 

 

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2- a larger police stations with larger Jail System, to hold more prisoners

 

I would be worried that would cause more game crashes.  I seem to get a crash in about an hour or so depending on how busy I've been.  It's like the game will leave somethings behind after a call and I guess it keeps that in the games "memory" and eventually crashes.  I had quite a bit of mods in also.  Now I'm slowly reinstalling things since I moved it to another Drive. 

Edited November 4, 20214 yr by butanefire

On 11/4/2021 at 4:12 PM, butanefire said:

 high speed pursuit may look like fun to some people but it's one of the most dangerous things i been engaged in

The only fun pursuits are in this game 😃.  I've watched numerous pursuits on TV News Channels and some are hard to watch because the suspect is going wayyy too fast, you just know it's going to end bad.  Most of the time it ends fine no innocent bystanders hurt or killed.  Our main city police will call off the ground units and just have AIR track them because the suspect is going way too fast.  Maybe if ground pulls and keeps way back then the suspect might slow down.  You know that, haha.  Drunk or not if the speed is too high then they may back off.  There are a few videos on youtube where a city didn't have an Air Unit and the speed was too fast and going for a while where PD decided to just back off and end the pursuit, let them go.  I think the main decision was what was the main traffic stop for?  Just a minor traffic violation?  Don't need to risk them crashing and killing innocent people for that.  I hate to see people like that get away but sometimes it just the safest thing to do.  

Normally when some one choses not to stop when pulled over for something simple like a tail light out or stop sign violation, there is something more to why the officer pulled the suspect over to begin with, normally it's because they have drugs or firearms in the car, or they know they have an outstanding warrant, or they are drunk, or the car is stolen, things that are more serious then a traffic violation.
So this is true in most cases, most people even criminals who have a past criminal history, that don't have anything in the car or no warrants will pull over, if they don't there is something up.....

 

So this is why most police officers will be determined to get this car pulled over to find out what's going on, most cases if the car belongs to the driver, we can look them up while cashing them and find out what is going on, and sure enough, it's a warrant or something. If it's because they got something in the car they are not suppose to have then we will never know until we get that car pulled over and search the vehicle and suspect.

Once they decided to not pull over, then there is enough for us to go forward with an arrest at that point and search the suspect and vehicle no problem..

Donny

 

Someone already said it, but LSPDFR's focus was "let the community make mods for it".  They didn't add a lot of features by default because "they didn't want to take away from devs who make addons."  The problem is that G17 didn't find a balance between having features in LSPDFR and leaving the door open for devs to make addons.  You can play LSPDFR vanilla with no other plugins (excluding callouts), but do you want to? No, because vanilla LSPDFR gets boring fast due to a lack of features.

 

I don't expect G17 to add EVERYTHING to LSPDFR, but the basics would still be nice. I love Bejoijo and his mods, but lets be honest here, he shouldn't have to make plugins that add in basic and core features of being a police officer (examples: spike strips, a proper backup system, in depth vehicle and ped searches, etc).  LSPDFR should have enough vanilla content that if we don't want to use a third party plugin, we don't have to. Using mods like Bejoijo's and Rich's should feel optional, not forced because LSPDFR barely has anything.

 

We are honestly at a point where people can make (or already have) a list of MUST HAVE mods to make LSPDFR more enjoyable, implying that by itself, LSPDFR isn't fun. Instead, these lists should COMPLIMENT LSPDFR's already fun experience.

On 11/2/2021 at 9:32 AM, butanefire said:

I think they could be more room for, new features, new callouts made by LSPDFR Officials, not 3rd Party Plug-ins, i see there is a ton of potential for more stuff added to this..

For example

1- a Newer and better computer system..

 

2- a larger police stations with larger Jail System, to hold more prisoners, and they would stay in there longer.

I worked in law-enforcement for 22 years, retired of course and the town i worked for was was not a large city and the Jail cells was larger and we could hold about 150

prisoners. for holding until they was transported to a more permanent holding facility..

3- maybe add a booking area, where when you transport the prisoners to the station you bring them to the booking department, fingerprint them, and take their photo.
And then log them into the Computer for booking.

 

Our department was not too large, if you worked the day shift they was officers who would do all the booking, 9-5 type deal.

If you wokred the night or 3rd shift each officer when they made an arrest, that officer would do all the booking process then go back out on the street after, same as a DUI Arrest , most people are not aware of it but, when a police officer  in my town made a DUI arrest it took 2 to 4 hours to do all the paper work, so that officer was off the streets on his/ her shift doing paper work until he / she was finished, like i said that could take any where from 2 to 4 hours just for the paper work alone..

 

4- maybe a way for an officer to direct traffic, not sure it is possible the peds are nuts to begin with in moving their cars they will run over people just to keep moving so lol.

5- maybe a way to control or temp make street lights all the lights turn red.

 

I know we had a way to do that if we was in a high speed pursuit, we was able to turn all the traffic lights red with the press of a button on our console in the car, it would send a signal to the control box and turn all the lights red for about 30 seconds,  i believe the fire department was able to do that as well..

any way the most improvement they could do is more call outs, and maybe ones with audio speaking PEDS instead of having to press the Y key every time....
Almost like a cut scene. any way as far as it is now it's pretty good.. it does crash from time to time but still it's pretty stable..
Some times it will last 5 min before all the plugins unload and you got to reload all the plugins again, some times it would run 1 or 2 hours with out that.

How ever it just may be my fault and have too many plugins installed or something  conflicting, not sure..

 

Donny

 

 

I remember seeing a improved AI plugin once, here it is if you want it:

https://nl.gta5-mods.com/misc/realism-enhanced-traffic-and-driver-a-i