Also, though there may be no start button, moving the move to the bottom left hand corner of the taskbar and clicking will bring up the new start menu. So it essentially is like clicking the start button, without it actually being there.

I personally am sticking with 7.

Not changing till I have to, I like the idea of Win8 but I don't have the time to change.

Not changing till I have to, I like the idea of Win8 but I don't have the time to change.

You don't have the time to a put a DVD in your drawer? lol See you in 2020, then.

Still rolling with XP, I will never switch to another OS.

Windows 8 might prove to be good after few fixes as every other OS when it is in his starting stage.

You do know in the next year or so nothing will be supporting XP anymore? Many games I play don't support XP anymore Direct X wont support it anymore, and also programs wont support it soon.....

Microsoft themselves won't be providing any more support or updates by either 2013 or 2014. They've been pushing back the cut-off date for years, but it's 3 generations behind and getting close to 13 years old. I think enough time has passed.

Upgraded the same day it was available.

Haven't looked back since. "Yay" all the way.

agree i have windows 8 dual booted with 7 and so far i like 8 better even with no touch screen

tis windows 7 with a new start menu that is it basically and its faster

I personally don't know why someone would ever want a Tablet or Android styled OS on their desktop, it's pointless, useless, and basically impractical for use with a keyboard and mouse. I'm aware that Windows 8 has the normal desktop feature just as 7, but I don't see a difference between the two. Adding to this, most programs games aren't compatible with Windows 8 (As far as I know). I'll skip 8 and wait for a hopefully successful Windows 9 :P

I personally don't know why someone would ever want a Tablet or Android styled OS on their desktop, it's pointless, useless, and basically impractical for use with a keyboard and mouse. I'm aware that Windows 8 has the normal desktop feature just as 7, but I don't see a difference between the two. Adding to this, most programs games aren't compatible with Windows 8 (As far as I know). I'll skip 8 and wait for a hopefully successful Windows 9 :P

Pretty much this^, and if anyone's heard the saying "Microsoft gets it right the second time round", this is starting to become very true.

Windows XP: Wonderful, probably one of their best OS's ever (Still use it on my dated Laptop).

Vista: Terrible, not horrible/unusable, but just so many issues.

Windows 7: Great, clean, fast, everything vista should've been and yet more.

Windows 8: Microsoft over jumping it's self and doing too much to satisfy a market that just isn't there and could care less.

I'm sticking with Windows 7, the fact that I'd have to alter my own OS just to get it usable/work efficient, is a total fucking joke.

/myopinion.

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Vista: Terrible, not horrible/unusable, but just so many issues.

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Never had any issues with Vista myself, other than HP stuck a 32-bit on a 100% capable 64-bit machine, just the usual small crap that accompanies Windows' OSes.

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I'm sticking with Windows 7, the fact that I'd have to alter my own OS just to get it usable/work efficient, is a total fucking joke.

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This. That is why I love Arch Linux, build your own OS from the base as you want it, not how some money grabbing morons following the wrong trend want it.

Pretty much this^, and if anyone's heard the saying "Microsoft gets it right the second time round", this is starting to become very true.

Windows XP: Wonderful, probably one of their best OS's ever (Still use it on my dated Laptop).

Vista: Terrible, not horrible/unusable, but just so many issues.

Windows 7: Great, clean, fast, everything vista should've been and yet more.

Windows 8: Microsoft over jumping it's self and doing too much to satisfy a market that just isn't there and could care less.

I'm sticking with Windows 7, the fact that I'd have to alter my own OS just to get it usable/work efficient, is a total fucking joke.

/myopinion.

Please.

-Windows XP was horribly received upon its release and wasn't really reliable until Service Pack 2 came out. Only after 12-13 hindsight can we call it a great operating system. If you had told me the same thing back in 2002 I would have told you that you were out of your mind.

-Windows Vista was a completely new OS foundation for Microsoft, not being based off of a previous OS, as XP was to Windows ME. It had a lot of good ideas behind it, but wasn't tested as much as it needed to be, and a lot of 3rd party companies who had devices like printers, cameras, graphics cards, etc to develop drivers for just simply didn't do their jobs. And all the blame was directed towards Microsoft. The OS was very good to me during the time I used it, especially after Service Pack 1.

-Windows 7 IS Windows Vista with minor cosmetic changes, stability improvements and security holes filled in. It's based off of the same kernel. Again, it's like Windows XP was to Windows ME.

-Windows 8, yet again IS Vista/Windows 7. Same Kernel, but with some big cosmetic updates (which may cause problems to novice users and people who don't like change), stability improvements, security enhancements and better performance than the previous OS's.

I still haven't had a convincing "this interface isn't usable" argument from anybody who uses their computers for home or recreational purposes. You can make the argument currently for business users due to the fact that there are only 9,000 "Modern UI" apps available as of release, but most business take a minimum of 6 months to adopt a new OS, and Office 2013, and updated versions of QuickBooks, Quicken and other major business software's will be released before then. Businesses will also become more dependent on web services such as Office 365 (something my company jumped to as soon as it was publicly available) for cloud backup, ease of access and prompt support when needed. Things such as my daily employee news alerts will be made easier by just having a live panel tell me everything without having to scroll around or open any windows, stock updates are already provided as a vanilla panel that comes with the OS, and the plugin-less version of IE that sits on the start screen is going to be a major push towards having a seamless browsing experience and reducing the risk of viruses. I'm seeing far too many people ignoring the bigger picture about Windows 8 because they're so focused on the start screen. People are completely ignoring the convenience and security benefits of a built in app, music, movie and game store, integration with other game and recreational platforms, clould computing supplements and ease of use features that are built in to the OS and don't need to be brought in by other 3rd party software. As Microsoft's content delivery system grows in age, PC users may be able to effectively eliminate the need for services like iTunes, Spotify and possibly even STEAM and just simply have one account with one company, which will again translate to ease of use and give you better privacy control.

Edited November 21, 201213 yr by unr3al

You do know in the next year or so nothing will be supporting XP anymore? Many games I play don't support XP anymore Direct X wont support it anymore, and also programs wont support it soon.....

I don't play anything except GTA IV from time to time and games mean perfectly nothing in my life. FL Studio is the only program I use since I play the piano and XP is enough for that.

I have a laptop with win 7 when I'm up to programming and or doing my job.

Please.

-Windows XP was horribly received upon its release and wasn't really reliable until Service Pack 2 came out. Only after 12-13 hindsight can we call it a great operating system. If you had told me the same thing back in 2002 I would have told you that you were out of your mind.

-Windows Vista was a completely new OS foundation for Microsoft, not being based off of a previous OS, as XP was to Windows ME. It had a lot of good ideas behind it, but wasn't tested as much as it needed to be, and a lot of 3rd party companies who had devices like printers, cameras, graphics cards, etc to develop drivers for just simply didn't do their jobs. And all the blame was directed towards Microsoft. The OS was very good to me during the time I used it, especially after Service Pack 1.

-Windows 7 IS Windows Vista with minor cosmetic changes, stability improvements and security holes filled in. It's based off of the same kernel. Again, it's like Windows XP was to Windows ME.

-Windows 8, yet again IS Vista/Windows 7. Same Kernel, but with some big cosmetic updates (which may cause problems to novice users and people who don't like change), stability improvements, security enhancements and better performance than the previous OS's.

I still haven't had a convincing "this interface isn't usable" argument from anybody who uses their computers for home or recreational purposes. You can make the argument currently for business users due to the fact that there are only 9,000 "Modern UI" apps available as of release, but most business take a minimum of 6 months to adopt a new OS, and Office 2013, and updated versions of QuickBooks, Quicken and other major business software's will be released before then. Businesses will also become more dependent on web services such as Office 365 (something my company jumped to as soon as it was publicly available) for cloud backup, ease of access and prompt support when needed. Things such as my daily employee news alerts will be made easier by just having a live panel tell me everything without having to scroll around or open any windows, stock updates are already provided as a vanilla panel that comes with the OS, and the plugin-less version of IE that sits on the start screen is going to be a major push towards having a seamless browsing experience and reducing the risk of viruses. I'm seeing far too many people ignoring the bigger picture about Windows 8 because they're so focused on the start screen. People are completely ignoring the convenience and security benefits of a build in app, music, movie and game store, integration with other game and recreational platforms, clould computing supplements and easy of use features that are built in to the OS and don't need to be brought in by other 3rd party software. As Microsoft's content delivery system grows in age, PC users may be able to effectively eliminate the need for services like iTunes, Spotify and possibly even STEAM and just simply have one account with one company, which will again translate to ease of use and give you better privacy control.

This. Exactly...this.

But unr3al, its also a truth that MS and all other giants releasing similar stuff are just exaggerating on their newer products and actually have little improvements over the previous installments. Their aim is to make money (whose ain't?), and inventing a new Windows would definitely earn some more $$ than releasing constant hotfixes for 7.

I agree, but development for that kind of change has actually been underway since the Windows 7 release. A Microsoft software developer was quoted as saying that they had already begun work on a 128bit OS to be released further down the road. Windows Vista was a 7 year project, so I'd imagine another major overhaul is in the cards, but only when it's "ready".

Please.

-Windows XP was horribly received upon its release and wasn't really reliable until Service Pack 2 came out. Only after 12-13 hindsight can we call it a great operating system. If you had told me the same thing back in 2002 I would have told you that you were out of your mind.

-Windows Vista was a completely new OS foundation for Microsoft, not being based off of a previous OS, as XP was to Windows ME. It had a lot of good ideas behind it, but wasn't tested as much as it needed to be, and a lot of 3rd party companies who had devices like printers, cameras, graphics cards, etc to develop drivers for just simply didn't do their jobs. And all the blame was directed towards Microsoft. The OS was very good to me during the time I used it, especially after Service Pack 1.

-Windows 7 IS Windows Vista with minor cosmetic changes, stability improvements and security holes filled in. It's based off of the same kernel. Again, it's like Windows XP was to Windows ME.

-Windows 8, yet again IS Vista/Windows 7. Same Kernel, but with some big cosmetic updates (which may cause problems to novice users and people who don't like change), stability improvements, security enhancements and better performance than the previous OS's.

I still haven't had a convincing "this interface isn't usable" argument from anybody who uses their computers for home or recreational purposes. You can make the argument currently for business users due to the fact that there are only 9,000 "Modern UI" apps available as of release, but most business take a minimum of 6 months to adopt a new OS, and Office 2013, and updated versions of QuickBooks, Quicken and other major business software's will be released before then. Businesses will also become more dependent on web services such as Office 365 (something my company jumped to as soon as it was publicly available) for cloud backup, ease of access and prompt support when needed. Things such as my daily employee news alerts will be made easier by just having a live panel tell me everything without having to scroll around or open any windows, stock updates are already provided as a vanilla panel that comes with the OS, and the plugin-less version of IE that sits on the start screen is going to be a major push towards having a seamless browsing experience and reducing the risk of viruses. I'm seeing far too many people ignoring the bigger picture about Windows 8 because they're so focused on the start screen. People are completely ignoring the convenience and security benefits of a build in app, music, movie and game store, integration with other game and recreational platforms, clould computing supplements and easy of use features that are built in to the OS and don't need to be brought in by other 3rd party software. As Microsoft's content delivery system grows in age, PC users may be able to effectively eliminate the need for services like iTunes, Spotify and possibly even STEAM and just simply have one account with one company, which will again translate to ease of use and give you better privacy control.

Did you not fully read my post where it states: /myopinion?

My statement was representing my thoughts of all OS's (That we're relevant/represented in my post) and how they impacted towards me and in the general eye of the public from numerous complaints that I've heard over the years. Posting facts about a direct OS doesn't make it any better. Again, it's all opinions. There is a lot to windows 8 that I'm absolutely thrilled about and there's a ton that I cannot stand. I love the new security features (Such as the fact that Microsoft actually took the time to make Windows Defender a good line of defense without having any other on access scanners installed/running), but there is a lot that I just cannot get by. I cannot stand the UI and in work/ease of use I found the UI to be completely impeding for actual work machines (Navigating to usefull programs/files by start menu and the fact that you have to organize it just to find it when Win7 file system works just fine) and only appeasing to generalized users/a new audience that only wants to play with their computers and not actually have any use for it. I'm also not a fan of a ton of "Apps" (I still prefer the term program) being preinstalled on a brand new machine and me actually having to go through and pick out all the junk, again, tweaking a OS just to get it usable (By my standards) when it's freshly installed I find to be a joke. Again, all of this is my opinion, you can throw OS facts all day in my face and my opinion will be unchanged. Throwing technical jargon that to me is everyday stuff in the world of IT may work on idiots looking for a new computer at Best Buy, but to me, it's all the same. It's as stupid as Apple telling me to buy a new iPhone because the new one has one more inch of real estate on their screen.

Not trying to be a dick, just once again stating my full opinion.

Edited November 21, 201213 yr by JAM-Justin35

That's good with me, you can think of it what you want, I don't want to come across as though you're not entitled to that. But the original poster is seeking a suggestion about whether Windows 8 should be his new OS or not, and I think that should be based on facts and then he can make the decision for himself. A lot of people are hating on it for the sake of it. I just find it sort of irritating that everyone, you included, leaves out any good points about the OS until probed about it. You're thrilled with the security but you didn't mention it at all, and instead just talked about how you hate the interface. You're an IT major it seems and that's all well and good, and you'd be correct in saying that this OS does not target you. Microsoft is pandering to the mass audience, as everyone is these days in order to make a buck. I'll buy that the interface may not assist you personally, but I think it does a lot of good, and I don't think it would get in your way much. You can bypass the Start screen entirely if need be, and searching for a file or program requires nothing more than spelling out the first few letters of the name. No need to organize or sort as you were saying earlier. And coming back to the facts of its benefits in security, performance and ease of use for the average multimedia consumer (which would include most people who play LCPD:FR as an example), I think it would be a fine OS choice for most folks.

I've seen no real complaints from anybody here about anything beyond the start screen which shouldn't be as big of a factor as it is into peoples decisions here. I don't know about you, but I've used the OS and like it. I highly doubt that most people in this thread have used it at all, even some who claim they have. I'm just getting sick of all the baseless garbage people toss at this OS just because the 18 year old interface has been updated.

All of that being said, by the way, it's feasible that they could make a separate business OS for specific purposes. They re-designed the Windows 8 architecture for ARM based computers for Windows RT, so if a huge amount of people really share your opinion that it somehow gets in their way, there may be hope for a new OS for the corporate world.

Edited November 21, 201213 yr by unr3al

I agree, but development for that kind of change has actually been underway since the Windows 7 release. A Microsoft software developer was quoted as saying that they had already begun work on a 128bit OS to be released further down the road. Windows Vista was a 7 year project, so I'd imagine another major overhaul is in the cards, but only when it's "ready".

Wow, thanks for the heads up. 128 bit windows? I'm excited to see the outcomes of that classified project.

Contrary to what people have said about Vista, I hated it.

I'd had it on my PC for a good two years and it had slowly started to kill itself off, literally.

• Explorer would restart randomly
  
• After a while, I couldn't access control panel
  
• It deleted all the themes, leaving me with the classic one
  

I'd did a full scan for any viruses / malware, found nothing. Took it to a shop, found out that Vista had somehow corrupted itself.

It forced me to upgrade to an illegal copy of Windows 7 which I only had for a few days as I went and bought the actual disc. (I only needed the pirated copy so I could still get my work done for college)

7 Has been wonderful on my current system (Old one finally died and yes, this copy of WIN7 is legal). Vista was the part of my computing history that I wish I'd never experienced.

Edited November 21, 201213 yr by Harper

From what I've seen, I wouldn't want it. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I'd rather run Vista than 8. And Vista, in my opinion, was absolute and utter shit. I find nothing wrong at all with Windows 7, therefore I won't be changing over to it.

Do not install thats whats i recomend because i was lucky that i could get my PC back from Win8 to Win7 because the day after i installed my computer wouldn't start so i was lucky to that MicrosoftDK Could refund my money