London Falling?

 

Well, it's official. Lodon's murder rate is surpassing the United States most violent city, NYC. Even with some of the strictest gun laws on the planet this has managed to happen. And the Mayor of London who states that terrorist attacks are " part and parcel in living in a big city ". Now Khan is discussing banning knives to help counter this, does that sound logical?. I'm in the states and have watched the drastic change in both Britain and the labor party itself. Anyone from the UK or Britain itself want to weigh in?. From some i hear everything is perfect and from others i hear the situation is so dire they are planning to move for their own safety.  The following links are factual and confirmed from multiple sources. 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43628494

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/07/world/europe/london-murders-knife-attacks-stabbing.html

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-crime-murder/london-murder-rate-overtakes-new-york-as-knife-crime-rises-idUSKCN1HA1DH

Edited April 9, 20188 yr by GTALawEnforcer

The problem is that the government reduced the stop and search powers of police, which basically allowed them to stop people to see if they are carrying a 'dangerous weapon' - in the United Kingdom you can't just carry around a knife without reason and owning certain kinds is illegal (switch blades), however the Government classed 'stop and search' as a policy which uses racial profiling and as such they cut it, now it's being reinforced so I'm guessing that in the next few months the crime rate will decrease again now that police have the powers they need.

As for the part and parcel thing... I don't know what you are getting at, he had a point... large cities, especially capitals of countries are the most likely to be attacked by terrorists, and he has been supportive of counter-terrorism police and intelligence agencies.

UK Laws relating to possession of weapons: https://www.police.uk/crime-prevention-advice/possession-of-weapons/

These are the new official revised figures, showing that London did not have a higher murder rate than New York City and only in February it overtook New York, and there was no news story about it. The only reason it is being reported was because of the frequency of the latest murders, being in quick succession. ( The figures don't take into account the State Of New York or New Jersey as it is not administered by the NYPD) and the New York only overtook London by minor numbers in February and March, but only in January was it so significant.  So you could look at it as an equal murder rate between both cities with similar sizes (8.8 million or so roughly in both, give or take.) and populace.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-is-london-really-deadlier-than-new-york

Also, New York is one of the LEAST deadliest cities in the US too.

Edited April 10, 20188 yr by TheLoneRanger

3 hours ago, Ben said:

The problem is that the government reduced the stop and search powers of police, which basically allowed them to stop people to see if they are carrying a 'dangerous weapon' - in the United Kingdom you can't just carry around a knife without reason and owning certain kinds is illegal (switch blades), however the Government classed 'stop and search' as a policy which uses racial profiling and as such they cut it, now it's being reinforced so I'm guessing that in the next few months the crime rate will decrease again now that police have the powers they need.

As for the part and parcel thing... I don't know what you are getting at, he had a point... large cities, especially capitals of countries are the most likely to be attacked by terrorists, and he has been supportive of counter-terrorism police and intelligence agencies.

UK Laws relating to possession of weapons: https://www.police.uk/crime-prevention-advice/possession-of-weapons/

stop and frisk is illegal and an infringement on rights, this isn't Nazi Germany and we don't need that kind of fascist behavior., crime goes up because of gun control its a simple thing to understand and as far as weapons go anything can be used as a weapon, its funny how some people here especially the brits don't want to fess up and own up to there mistakes of allowing there government to take away more freedoms thinking they will be more safe...ha......you take away someones right to self defense and crime goes up its really simple

39 minutes ago, J T said:

stop and frisk is illegal and an infringement on rights, this isn't Nazi Germany and we don't need that kind of fascist behavior., crime goes up because of gun control its a simple thing to understand and as far as weapons go anything can be used as a weapon, its funny how some people here especially the brits don't want to fess up and own up to there mistakes of allowing there government to take away more freedoms thinking they will be more safe...ha......you take away someones right to self defense and crime goes up its really simple

I feel free, funny how Americans constantly complain about other countries freedoms, aren't school students currently protesting that they don't feel free or safe because people have such easy access to guns and can ambush them in schools. Also, the right to self-defense, are you serious? I would rather wait the time for the Armed Police here to respond and deal with a situation than having a bunch of jumped up people who have limited firearms training trying to deal with a shooter.

Also, the Government removed the right to own weapons because the people wanted it, because the United Kingdom is a democratic country and it does what the people want, I'm not sure how it works in the United States but I can assure you that the UK is a free and democratic country.

8 minutes ago, Ben said:

I can assure you that the UK is a free and democratic country.

I thought the last democratic place was Athens. Back in the day. Way back.

 

On  topic, I wonder how those stats are calculated. Sometimes not registering offenses helps reducing the crime level. Turning robberies into larcenies and all that.

1 hour ago, Hastings said:

On  topic, I wonder how those stats are calculated. Sometimes not registering offenses helps reducing the crime level. Turning robberies into larcenies and all that.

 

Considering here it's about murder rate, I don't think it'd be as easy to not register a murder as a murder, especially by knife.

1 hour ago, Hystery said:

 

Considering here it's about murder rate, I don't think it'd be as easy to not register a murder as a murder, especially by knife.

If there's no one to care about what happened to the deceased, it's easy enough (at least where I'm from). 

4 hours ago, Ben said:

I feel free, funny how Americans constantly complain about other countries freedoms, aren't school students currently protesting that they don't feel free or safe because people have such easy access to guns and can ambush them in schools. Also, the right to self-defense, are you serious? I would rather wait the time for the Armed Police here to respond and deal with a situation than having a bunch of jumped up people who have limited firearms training trying to deal with a shooter.

Also, the Government removed the right to own weapons because the people wanted it, because the United Kingdom is a democratic country and it does what the people want, I'm not sure how it works in the United States but I can assure you that the UK is a free and democratic country.

oh so you would rather wait for the government to arrive to save you lol okay by that time you might be crippled or dead so good luck with that, we are responsible for our own safety, the government isn't your mommy and daddy....remember what happened the last time the brits tried to tell americans what we can and cant do regarding firearms? we shot them, I find it funny that you brits don't learn from history and that's why it repeats itself over and over and the biggest mass murders in history are the ones committed by governments, millions of people died in china under mao...millions died under stalin and millions of jews died under hitler....imagine if they were given firearms to defend themselves we wouldn't be talking about this now would we? uk is a free country? LOL k 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3624059/Arrests-offensive-social-media-posts-soar-police-target-internet-trolls.html

Edited April 10, 20188 yr by J T

1 minute ago, J T said:

oh so you would rather wait for the government to arrive to save you lol okay by that time you might be crippled or dead so good luck with that, we are responsible for our own safety, the government isn't your mommy and daddy

 

I'm sorry, but Nevada has open-carry laws, how did that work out for the Americans at the Las Vegas concert shooting, are you just discounting all the events where civilians with the rights to bear arms and where shot up, or are you just being arrogant?

 

3 minutes ago, J T said:

remember what happened the last time the brits tried to tell americans what we can and cant do regarding firearms? we shot them, I find it funny that you brits don't learn from history 

Are you trolling? The murder rate went up over New York for the month, so let's go back to the war of independence... because that was totally won by Americans and not by large assistance from the French against an army which consisted primarily of Americans who where armed by the British... yup, sure.

 

 

5 minutes ago, J T said:

millions died under stalin and millions of jews died under hitler....imagine if they were given firearms to defend themselves we wouldn't be talking about this now would we?

Yes, of course the minorities within the countries could of totally stood up to the two of the largest and in the German's case the most technically advanced armies in the world, the United Kingdom had one of the largest empires in the HISTORY of the world at the time, the largest navy and incredible technological advancements and even we needed help, so what you just said is childish opinion on the whole event.

The way I see it, we are never going to agree on it. I along with most others feel free in this country, the government implemented the laws you call unfree because we wanted them implementing. You'll probably always think that the UK is a country which infringes on rights, and I'll always hold the opinion that Americans incorrectly value the ability to own guns over safety, but that's just the way our different cultures are.

7 hours ago, TheLoneRanger said:

These are the new official revised figures, showing that London did not have a higher murder rate than New York City and only in February it overtook New York, and there was no news story about it. The only reason it is being reported was because of the frequency of the latest murders, being in quick succession. ( The figures don't take into account the State Of New York or New Jersey as it is not administered by the NYPD) and the New York only overtook London by minor numbers in February and March, but only in January was it so significant.  So you could look at it as an equal murder rate between both cities with similar sizes (8.8 million or so roughly in both, give or take.) and populace.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-is-london-really-deadlier-than-new-york

Also, New York is one of the LEAST deadliest cities in the US too.

 

 

 

Ever since i saw Cathy Newmans terrible bias and aggressive interview with Jordan Peterson on Channel 4 i could never take them seriously as a factual news outlet again. However i did see this article. 

53 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

I'm sorry, but Nevada has open-carry laws, how did that work out for the Americans at the Las Vegas concert shooting, are you just discounting all the events where civilians with the rights to bear arms and where shot up, or are you just being arrogant?

 

Are you trolling? The murder rate went up over New York for the month, so let's go back to the war of independence... because that was totally won by Americans and not by large assistance from the French against an army which consisted primarily of Americans who where armed by the British... yup, sure.

 

 

Yes, of course the minorities within the countries could of totally stood up to the two of the largest and in the German's case the most technically advanced armies in the world, the United Kingdom had one of the largest empires in the HISTORY of the world at the time, the largest navy and incredible technological advancements and even we needed help, so what you just said is childish opinion on the whole event.

The way I see it, we are never going to agree on it. I along with most others feel free in this country, the government implemented the laws you call unfree because we wanted them implementing. You'll probably always think that the UK is a country which infringes on rights, and I'll always hold the opinion that Americans incorrectly value the ability to own guns over safety, but that's just the way our different cultures are.

so they should just roll over and die like cowards? the people outnumber the government 100 to 1 you are the one that's trolling you don't even know what freedom is let alone how criminals operate, newsflash criminals don't abide by laws so why implement more laws to restrict people? sounds like tyranny to me and you must of failed history class or didn't have a history class at all not sure which but you have zero understanding how the real world works you still live in fantasy land where the government cares so let me know how this "free country" of yours is thriving within the next 10 to 15 years and especially with your illegal immigrant crisis implementing no go zones http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/21/europes-muslim-no-go-zones-documented-on-video/   keep drinking the kool aid and enjoy your "free country"

10 minutes ago, J T said:

so they should just roll over and die like cowards? the people outnumber the government 100 to 1 you are the one that's trolling you don't even know what freedom is let alone how criminals operate, newsflash criminals don't abide by laws so why implement more laws to restrict people? sounds like tyranny to me and you must of failed history class or didn't have a history class at all not sure which but you have zero understanding how the real world works you still live in fantasy land where the government cares so let me know how this "free country" of yours is thriving within the next 10 to 15 years and especially with your illegal immigrant crisis implementing no go zones http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/21/europes-muslim-no-go-zones-documented-on-video/   keep drinking the kool aid and enjoy your "free country"

The Mods and other prominent members on this site are going to call that Breitbart article " fake news ", anything that even remotely points out the issue is labelled as Racist or hateful. Also stop and frisk reduced gun crimes here in NYC, and i heard in London it helped stop knife attacks. Why stop enforcing the law?. Just because the Somalian and Islamic Immigrant community are the ones stabbing people does not been they should be exempt from investigation and prosecution under the false guise of racist law enforcement techniques. 

Edited April 10, 20188 yr by GTALawEnforcer

They'll probably call Breibart fake news because they're 99% fake news (and I'm generous), no matter the point of the article.

2 minutes ago, Hystery said:

They'll probably call Breibart fake news because they're 99% fake news (and I'm generous), no matter the point of the article.

 

There's the Frenchman coming in clutch, called it. Lmao this is too good. Maybe once they bring down the Eiffel Tower reality will sink in for you guys over there. 

Edited April 10, 20188 yr by GTALawEnforcer

Eiffel Tower is still there and standing. Ain't gonna go down any time soon, but I appreciate your concern, no matter how paranoiac it is.

Edited April 10, 20188 yr by Hystery

Yeah, and they said the Pentagon was paranoid about the stupid concept a a commercial airliner crashing into a building in NYC. It was loose unconfirmed information that at the time seemed paranoia riddled and foolish. Flash forward and thousands of people lost their lives.  Funny how that worked out. Like JT said, keep drinking the " everything is fine " cool aid. It's not like statistics for violent crime in Europe are going up or anything to support our arguments....lmao.

Edited April 10, 20188 yr by GTALawEnforcer

Whatever you say mate. I just find it extremely amusing that you can't take that Channel 4 as a factual news outlet while blindly trusting whatever Breitbart is spewing your way. There's a lot of irony in that.

 

Also, I think I already mentioned that in that other thread, but that Breitbart no-go zones article, which comes from a Fox News news, is actually fake. French medias mocked Fox News (and Breitbart) by sending journalists in the no-go zones mentioned in the articles to show everyone was minding their own business and everyone was free to go wherever they wanted. Even funnier, Paris mayor sued Fox News for that fake news, and Fox News publicly apologized for it. So, shortly put, that Breitbart article is bullshit from A to Z, just like most of their articles.

 

Either way, that ain't the topic of this thread, so I'll leave it at that. Believe whatever makes you sleep at night buddy, don't worry about us, we're doing fine.

Edited April 10, 20188 yr by Hystery

2 minutes ago, Hystery said:

Whatever you say mate. I just find it extremely amusing that you can't take that Channel 4 as a factual news outlet while blindly trusting whatever Breitbart is spewing your way. There's a lot of irony in that.

 

Also, I think I already mentioned that in that other thread, but that Breitbart no-go zones article, which comes from a Fox News news, is actually fake. French medias mocked Fox News (and Breitbart) by sending journalists in the no-go zones mentioned in the articles to show everyone was minding their own business and everyone was free to go wherever they wanted. Even funnier, Paris mayor sued Fox News for that fake news, and Fox News publicly apologized for it. So, shortly put, that Breitbart article is bullshit from A to Z, just like most of their articles.

 

Either way, that ain't the topic of this thread, so I'll leave it at that. Believe whatever makes you sleep at night buddy, don't worry about us, we're doing fine.

 

Cheers mate, bridges not walls. Let's see how it shakes out in the long run. 

 

  This topic is about murder rates, and from what I have found out is that London does have a lower "YEARLY" murder rate, witch is what counts here, not monthly rates. The only time that London surpassed 200 people being murdered since 1990 is in 2003.  New York City has only gone below the 300 murdered rate once since 1928 and that number is 290 in 2017.

 

  New York City has a population of 8.5 million people while London has a population of 8.6 million people (2017 reported).  That means that in London you are less likely to be killed as compaired to New York City.  I did not and will not go thru the individual case's into how these 490 people died, may it be gang related,or medical malpractice with use by a gun, bat, knife, frying pan, or lion statue.  

 

   What I am finding interesting here is that from 2003-2014, London had a great and steady decline in murder rates, but now it is on a upward climb.  I am curious as to why that is happening and will look onto that more when I have more time, unless there was a change in something that one of you may know.

 

  On the other side of the pond, in New York City, they have seen a great decline since 1990 with 2,245 murders to 290 murders in 2017 and I find that extremely drastic. Even compared to London's murder drop.

 

  This is not about Guns, The Revolutionary War, England's Constitutional Monarchy, The United States Constitutional Republic, knives, frodo, or the Eiffel Tower.  It is about a murder rate accross to city's in two countries on different sides of the Atlantic Ocean.

 

 

Edited April 11, 20188 yr by ToeBius