I'll just leave this right here.....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_wLPcH1_WA

 

 

Oof, cringe.

 

"Let's show an officer excitedly waiting to knock a protester in the head with a baton that'll help improve their image" 

Edited February 22, 20188 yr by Constable Lego

*Face palm*  "Cringe"  Seriously?  Did you watch the entire video?  And your whole take away was a "Police Officer excitedly waits to beat a crowd of protesters"?  You miss the entire focus of the commercial.  I think you miss the whole point of core values that drive those of us that serve in uniform.  Things like integrity, honor, courage, community, and selfless sacrifice.  Your comment reminds me of the something the US antifa movement would say here....

2 hours ago, Ridgerunner said:

 Your comment reminds me of the something the US antifa movement would say here....

 

Are you implying those who don't support the government 100% are... UnAmerican? What I saw in that ad was a whole lot of blind support for the government and the police. What it shows me is if we don't support the police we don't support the country (as shown by the signs in the protest). Look I don't support the police or the government in this country. Both are riddled with corruption. The police seem to do an excellent job of violating people's rights and being corrupt. Don't get me wrong there are good cops. Those are the cops I support. The ones who focus more on helping the community rather than making an arrest. But overall the law enforcement in America is broken. And yes we do live in a fascist nation at this point. Is it "official"? No. However the government has attempted to silence the press and suppress free speech (*cough* Ajit Pai *cough*) sometimes illegally.

*Sigh*  I forget the average age of users on here, who have no real life experiences outside of their bubbles.  You confuse "Blind support" with patriotism.  Yes, there is a huge difference between the two.  Having an opinion is "unamerican"? That's complete nonsense and couldn't be further from the truth, nor did I imply it.  My comment about US Antifa was directed towards their blind anger/violence, hate and general anti-authority/anti-police ideology towards those that don't mirror their own world view, whether it's conservatives or Government authorities like the police.  "You don't believe what we believe?   Then you're a nazi , a fascist, etc. and must be suppressed (even if this means by physical violence)".  It's this destructive, narrow minded, censoring viewpoint that's destroying the US and free speech, not the Government (presently).  Is the Government perfect?  Far from it.  Does that mean you can't serve your country in uniform whether in the military or law enforcement serving your community with pride?  Of course not.  There's a HUGE difference between 'peaceful and lawful protest' which is protected by our Constitution and a violent demonstration where people are violently assaulting people and burning/destroying private/public property (hint: which is what the video depicted....).  

 

Look you can support police officers as a whole, while also calling for accountability and improvements within the system (ie; improved training for officers encountering individuals with mental disabilities).  We have to distinguish between officers who make mistakes and officers who willingly violate the law.  I think it was the former Milwaukee County Sheriff John Clarke who said that he doesn't ask his officers for perfection, but excellence.  It's a great point.  There's this "perfection" standard you see in the media and from keyboard warriors who've never walked in our shoes who want to Monday morning quarterback the decisions that took seconds to make in real time.  Can we learn from our mistakes and improve training and policy?  Absolutely!  However I think it's incredibly harmful to make generalizations about the police as a whole (ie; they target minorities, poor people, etc.).  In 2008 there were around 765,000 sworn police officers (probably higher now).  Now if you think of the millions, yes millions of interactions without issue on a daily basis, you'd see that police corruption and injustice is actually quite low.  Does it happen?  Of course it does, and it's up to our Criminal Justice system to discipline accordingly.  The system is definitely not perfect, just look at that PA guy recently who murdered a police officer investigating a domestic violence incident that involved the suspect.  A jury let that guy get away with murder.  Is that justice?  No.  So, I'd definitely agree that there are things we need to improve in our Criminal Justice system.  I do believe that the presence of cameras has helped bring transparency, both protecting the police officers and also highlighting officer misconduct.

 

Lastly, NO the US isn't a fascist nation, this is a leftist myth that seems to be trending right now.  I think you need to look closer at the definition of fascism, not the SJW one trending on the internet  and I would suggest you look at the history of fascist nations.   Again, I think you miss the whole point of core values that drive those of us that serve in uniform.  Things like integrity, honor, courage, community, and selfless sacrifice.   This is what the video depicted.  Extreme patriotism, not "blind support", there is a difference.......

48 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:

*Sigh*  I forget the average age of users on here, who have no real life experiences outside of their bubbles.  You confuse "Blind support" with patriotism.  Yes, there is a huge difference between the two.  Having an opinion is "unamerican"? That's complete nonsense and couldn't be further from the truth, nor did I imply it.  My comment about US Antifa was directed towards their blind anger/violence, hate and general anti-authority/anti-police ideology towards those that don't mirror their own world view, whether it's conservatives or Government authorities like the police.  "You don't believe what we believe?   Then you're a nazi , a fascist, etc. and must be suppressed (even if this means by physical violence)".  It's this destructive, narrow minded, censoring viewpoint that's destroying the US and free speech, not the Government (presently).  Is the Government perfect?  Far from it.  Does that mean you can't serve your country in uniform whether in the military or law enforcement serving your community with pride?  Of course not.  There's a HUGE difference between 'peaceful and lawful protest' which is protected by our Constitution and a violent demonstration where people are violently assaulting people and burning/destroying private/public property (hint: which is what the video depicted....).  

 

Look you can support police officers as a whole, while also calling for accountability and improvements within the system (ie; improved training for officers encountering individuals with mental disabilities).  We have to distinguish between officers who make mistakes and officers who willingly violate the law.  I think it was the former Milwaukee County Sheriff John Clarke who said that he doesn't ask his officers for perfection, but excellence.  It's a great point.  There's this "perfection" standard you see in the media and from keyboard warriors who've never walked in our shoes who want to Monday morning quarterback the decisions that took seconds to make in real time.  Can we learn from our mistakes and improve training and policy?  Absolutely!  However I think it's incredibly harmful to make generalizations about the police as a whole (ie; they target minorities, poor people, etc.).  In 2008 there were around 765,000 sworn police officers (probably higher now).  Now if you think of the millions, yes millions of interactions without issue on a daily basis, you'd see that police corruption and injustice is actually quite low.  Does it happen?  Of course it does, and it's up to our Criminal Justice system to discipline accordingly.  The system is definitely not perfect, just look at that PA guy recently who murdered a police officer investigating a domestic violence incident that involved the suspect.  A jury let that guy get away with murder.  Is that justice?  No.  So, I'd definitely agree that there are things we need to improve in our Criminal Justice system.  I do believe that the presence of cameras has helped bring transparency, both protecting the police officers and also highlighting officer misconduct.

 

Lastly, NO the US isn't a fascist nation, this is a leftist myth that seems to be trending right now.  I think you need to look closer at the definition of fascism, not the SJW one trending on the internet  and I would suggest you look at the history of fascist nations.   Again, I think you miss the whole point of core values that drive those of us that serve in uniform.  Things like integrity, honor, courage, community, and selfless sacrifice.   This is what the video depicted.  Extreme patriotism, not "blind support", there is a difference.......

Thought I was going to have to jump into the discussion for a second. You’ve said everything so I’ll just hit “like” on your comment. Well said!

Cringe.

You know, it's still possible to respect and support the work your average police officer does on a daily basis whilst still finding videos like this to be cringe inducing. It's pure sheep dog shit. Though I personally won't bother debating with someone who resorts to ad hominem. 

Edited February 23, 20188 yr by Constable Lego

If I was to make a law enforcement support video I'd show their usual day in 3-4 minutes. Drunk men, crying men, hurt men, insane men, ignorant men, lost men, dead men -- all for them to handle.

 

Riot control is what cops do too, but I really don't care. Maybe I've seen too many local riot cops lol. 

I find it ironic that someone who's a member of a policing-focused site (even if it's just video game related) would be anti-police.

 

That's all I have to say. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Original Light said:

I find it ironic that someone who's a member of a policing-focused site (even if it's just video game related) would be anti-police.

 

That's all I have to say. 

 

 

 

That's not irony at all, but who in this thread is being anti-police? You guys seem to be conflating not blindly supporting police and loving this video with being anti-police. 

Oh look, actual verified police officers find this to be cringey too: 

 

1 hour ago, Original Light said:

I find it ironic that someone who's a member of a policing-focused site (even if it's just video game related) would be anti-police.

 

That's all I have to say. 

 

There's a middle-ground between supporting police no matter what happens and being anti-police. That middle-ground being supporting officers actually doing their job properly and not supporting the ones being dicks, corrupted, abusive or triggerhappy.

 

Finding this video bad or cringy doesn't mean someone is anti-police. It means this video isn't to their liking, for plenty of reasons. Like the overly present patriotism (which has nothing to do with the police profession to begin with, you can be a police officer without being patriotic), the overly cinematrographic look of the video (which makes it feel like every cop is a hero figthing hordes of antifas, outnumbered during riots), the weird message it conveys (like it's cool and badass to beat people up with a baton, considering how the shot was taken). I could continue on and on. I don't judge the profession, I judge the video, and this video is bad in my opinion. A much better video would have been to, like Hastings said, show officers in their everyday, working with the community for a better environment for everyone. That, would have been a good commercial.

Edited February 23, 20188 yr by Hystery

I was mainly referring to HomerS who said, "Look I don't support the police or the government in this country. Both are riddled with corruption."

 

 

He does have a point. While I wouldn't be as resolute on the matter, it's difficult, even impossible to support either a government, or a huge entity as the police as a whole because of the many individuals in both, a fair bunch of them being corrupted or not doing their jobs like they should. Doesn't mean we can't support the ones actually doing great things for people though, but when it comes to actually support either a government or the police as a whole... Kinda difficult.

Edited February 23, 20188 yr by Hystery

2 hours ago, Hystery said:

He does have a point. While I wouldn't be as resolute on the matter, it's difficult, even impossible to support either a government, or a huge entity as the police as a whole because of the many individuals in both, a fair bunch of them being corrupted or not doing their jobs like they should. Doesn't mean we can't support the ones actually doing great things for people though, but when it comes to actually support either a government or the police as a whole... Kinda difficult.

The key word here is "many".

 

"Many", of our law enforcement officers' are indeed trigger-happy, careless, and corrupt. "Many" isn't necessarily the same as "majority", in which the issue would be much more significant and dire if a majority of our law enforcement officers' fit any of the words I've posted previously; that's not the case though. I don't find it logical to judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. You (hopefully) wouldn't see a black person mug someone and think that all black people are thugs. So why would you take a bad officer and think that all Police are crooks? I don't support our government, but I support our law enforcement to the fullest. You actually reminded me to put my Blue Lives Matter sticker on my car today.

18 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

The key word here is "many".

 

"Many", of our law enforcement officers' are indeed trigger-happy, careless, and corrupt. "Many" isn't necessarily the same as "majority", in which the issue would be much more significant and dire if a majority of our law enforcement officers' fit any of the words I've posted previously; that's not the case though. I don't find it logical to judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. You (hopefully) wouldn't see a black person mug someone and think that all black people are thugs. So why would you take a bad officer and think that all Police are crooks? I don't support our government, but I support our law enforcement to the fullest. You actually reminded me to put my Blue Lives Matter sticker on my car today.

 

Please note that I didn't say "all cops are corrupt, triggerhappy and careless". Nor did I say that the police was such. I didn't judge cops as a whole at all. I said that, because there are such individuals, in fair numbers at that, present within the police ranks, it's difficult, or even impossible for some people, to support the police as a whole and view the police as a whole as a good entity. There's a fine difference between supporting the "good" police officers, which are a majority I'm not denying that, and supporting the police as a whole, which also includes the "bad" cops with it. 

33 minutes ago, Hystery said:

 

Please note that I didn't say "all cops are corrupt, triggerhappy and careless". Nor did I say that the police was such. I didn't judge cops as a whole at all. I said that, because there are such individuals, in fair numbers at that, present within the police ranks, it's difficult, or even impossible for some people, to support the police as a whole and view the police as a whole as a good entity. There's a fine difference between supporting the "good" police officers, which are a majority I'm not denying that, and supporting the police as a whole, which also includes the "bad" cops with it. 

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Of course, I completely understand what you're saying. My comment was more so directed towards the guy that said he doesn't support law enforcement; but I'd also like to mention that, in the United States, a vast majority of Americans have a favorable view of law enforcement. If you were to conduct a line-up of those that have an unfavorable view of law enforcement in the United States and look at how many of the participants have criminal records and other various law violations, I think it's safe to say that a very tiny percentage of Americans (that have no law violations) would find it "...difficult, or even impossible for some people, to support the police as a whole and view the police as a whole as a good entity."

Edited February 24, 20188 yr by TheDivineHustle

Is baton-ing protesters to police brutality supposed to be heroic? What a weird ad. Idolizing cops as heroes is not the same thing as humanization, its the opposite. Ads like this hurt the public image of the police, not help it. 

 

Just more hero porn for the bootlickers.

What people seem to think is that police officers are robots who do the job they are programmed for without faults.  Lets remember something, cops are human beings like you and I.  They have emotions, they have their own thoughts, and yes, they are subjectable to making errors.  A lot of people seem to think once you put on the badge you're a special person who can't break the law.  Which is why so many people lose their shit when a cop does break the law they are sworn to uphold.  It's so easy for people sitting in the comfort of their home to criticize cops for their actions, but when it comes down to it, you weren't there and you never will be.  Just because you can speak your opinion on a matter doesn't mean you always should, especially in cases of police officers.  Almost everyone who has a fiery opinion about them, good or bad, has never been in a situation that officers have to be in every single day.  There are bad apples who become cops, no one is denying that, but to say all cops are bad people?  I'd also like to point out, the job can change someone drastically and make them jaded.  A good, kind hearted person can easily become an angry, bitter person in a matter of months once they are a full fledged officer and riding the streets.  This job is not for everyone, which is the problem.  You aren't born a police officer.  You aren't born with the knowledge of what you'll see on the job, nor are you born with a stomach that can contain the gritty bullshit you'll see.

 

Cops do make mistakes, and that is because they are human beings.  Lets remember that the person does not mold law enforcement in general in a good or bad way, it's the job that molds you.  You either become a strong individual who can do the job,  can't handle it and quit, or you stay on the job and become an angry, bitter son of a bitch whose finger is always ready on the trigger.

 

1 hour ago, Riley24 said:

Just more hero porn for the bootlickers.

 

This wasn't needed, and lets not go down that road.  There will be nothing like what we have seen in recent threads.

1 hour ago, Giordano said:

What people seem to think is that police officers are robots who do the job they are programmed for without faults.  Lets remember something, cops are human beings like you and I.  They have emotions, they have their own thoughts, and yes, they are subjectable to making errors.  A lot of people seem to think once you put on the badge you're a special person who can't break the law.  Which is why so many people lose their shit when a cop does break the law they are sworn to uphold. 

 

Let's be honest though, people don't lose their shit when a cop breaks the law or makes an error, people lose their shit when a cop breaks the law or makes an error AND is not held accountable for it. That, is what people actually lose their shit (and understandably so). When you get into a traffic accident, you can say "I'm human, I'm subjectable to making errors" all you want, if you're in the wrong, you're in the wrong, and you pay the consequences. Cops aren't escaping this just because they carry a badge.

 

When cops actually break the law (I mean that as in when they're not in intervention or answering a call), it's also irritating, because the people who scold and lecture you about respecting the law end up not respecting it themselves, and we fall into a "Do what I say, not what I do" situation which is incredibly frustrating. Just like when I see cops around my area speeding at 110+km/h on normal roads when the speed limit is 90, and all that without answering a call or anything that would require them to be in a hurry (they just feel like speeding, or not using their turning signals, or park anywhere they want, but they'll give you a hefty ticket if you do any of those).