https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/12/us/west-virginia-officer-lawsuit-settlement-trnd/index.html

 

Quote

Mader told CNN last year that Williams was "visibly choked up" and told Mader to shoot him. As a Marine veteran who served in Afghanistan, Mader told CNN that he concluded Williams wasn't a threat and so he tried to de-escalate the situation.

 

Quote

Williams was "visibly choked up and told Mader to shoot him."

 

What the hell is it anymore with these secondary cops that arrive and immediately just open fire?  There was a case a while back where a commanding officer chose to shoot a suspect who the original officer was trying to talk down and deal with APPROPRIATELY.  It feels like most cops nowadays see themselves as shooters, and that's it.  "We're called out somewhere?  Time to shoot!"

 

Mader most likely told the other officers it was a suicide by cop situation and to let him handle it.  It's bad enough those idiots escalated the situation (I guarantee they arrived on scene and changed the entire tone of the conversation.  Mader was probably calm and trying to talk with the suspect, while the other officers were DROP THE GUN! DROP THE GUN! GET DOWN!)

 

The cherry on top, and what really shows this department is corrupt, they fire him for choosing not to shoot.  Am I the only one absolutely stunned at that?  Oh, it gets better.

 

Quote

 

On June 7, 2016, the Weirton Police Department fired Mader. The lawsuit, filed in May 2017, claims the department fired him because of "failure to meet probationary standards of an officer" and "apparent difficulties in critical incident reasoning."

In September 2016, Weirton City Manager Travis Blosser told CNN that Mader was fired not just for the Williams shooting but for "a totality of circumstances," which included a March 2016 incident where Mader allegedly entered a man's vehicle without a warrant to put a ticket on the dashboard and an April 2016 incident where Mader and other officers failed to report an elderly woman's death as suspicious. The woman's death was later ruled a homicide.

Mader told CNN that in the March 2016 incident, he was writing a second parking ticket for a vehicle when the owner came out cursing at him so he responded with using the f-word. In the April 2016 incident, Mader said emergency responders told officers that the woman died of natural causes.

 

 

That's cute, drag up old, possibly small miniscule/stupid incidents in order to help justify the firing of a man who was trying to save a life.

Neither of us were there, so it's hard to comment on the details of the situation that occurred, and I see no-where that the back-up officer arrived and just shot the guy.

 

Quote

(I guarantee they arrived on scene and changed the entire tone of the conversation.  Mader was probably calm and trying to talk with the suspect, while the other officers were DROP THE GUN! DROP THE GUN! GET DOWN!)

 

That's just pure conjecture.

 

Even the Officer who got fired in question admits:

 

Quote

Mader told CNN that Williams raised his gun and was immediately shot and killed by one of the other officers. A state investigation found the officer's actions were justified.

 

$175K is a lot for just "go-away" money, so yeah, I agree there was probably some malice in the firing.

 

But I will also say, when you're on a probationary period, you can be let go or fired pretty much at will. I also know there are many, many agencies out there that have general orders against cowardice or failing to act.

 

As with everything, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

typical, good cops get fired for doing something good or putting a bad cop in there place while the bad cops get away with murder.....there are no good cops just bad ones its really not that hard of a concept to grasp and why people hate the police and for good reason but cnn really? who watches mainstream media anymore?

1 hour ago, TylerF said:

Neither of us were there, so it's hard to comment on the details of the situation that occurred, and I see no-where that the back-up officer arrived and just shot the guy.

 

 

That's just pure conjecture.

 

Even the Officer who got fired in question admits:

 

 

$175K is a lot for just "go-away" money, so yeah, I agree there was probably some malice in the firing.

 

But I will also say, when you're on a probationary period, you can be let go or fired pretty much at will. I also know there are many, many agencies out there that have general orders against cowardice or failing to act.

 

As with everything, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

True, none of us were there, but how many times have cases like this turned out to be incorrectly reported and false?

 

1 minute ago, J T said:

typical, good cops get fired for doing something good or putting a bad cop in there place while the bad cops get away with murder.....there are no good cops just bad ones its really not that hard of a concept to grasp and why people hate the police and for good reason but cnn really? who watches mainstream media anymore?

 

That is the sad state the US is in.  There have been plenty of cases recently where an officer got off Scott free for killing someone who shouldn't of been shot.  In fact, I'm pretty sure I posted about one of those incidents.  Bad cops are in, good ones are out.

5 minutes ago, Kallus said:

 

True, none of us were there, but how many times have cases like this turned out to be incorrectly reported and false?

 

 

That is the sad state the US is in.  There have been plenty of cases recently where an officer got off Scott free for killing someone who shouldn't of been shot.  In fact, I'm pretty sure I posted about one of those incidents.  Bad cops are in, good ones are out.

yup, cops are nothing but enforcers for the state they have no obligation to protect people according to the supreme court ruling, they have to earn the respect from the public and so far they have been earning the hate and rightfully so

I'm not even surprised anymore. 

It annoys me, that with 800,000+ LEO's in this this country, that people can easily paint them as all bad from a few incidents that the media latches onto.

 

There are tens of thousands upon thousands of interactions that occur daily between law enforcement and the general public.

 

To say it's not seeing the whole picture is an understatement. It's completely disingenuous.

 

Unfortunately, the media and the internet has made many people armchair quarterback experts on law enforcement.

 

It's like when people say cops should go back to the "old-school" ways, without really understanding what "old-school" means...

12 minutes ago, TylerF said:

It annoys me, that with 800,000+ LEO's in this this country, that people can easily paint them as all bad from a few incidents that the media latches onto.

 

There are tens of thousands upon thousands of interactions that occur daily between law enforcement and the general public.

 

To say it's not seeing the whole picture is an understatement. It's completely disingenuous.

 

Unfortunately, the media and the internet has made many people armchair quarterback experts on law enforcement.

 

It's like when people say cops should go back to the "old-school" ways, without really understanding what "old-school" means...

 

It's not just a few incidents.  If it was a few incidents we wouldn't be losing faith in law enforcement.  If it was a few incidents I wouldn't be so concerned about the state of the US law enforcement.  This is a huge problem that only keeps growing.

37 minutes ago, TylerF said:

It annoys me, that with 800,000+ LEO's in this this country, that people can easily paint them as all bad from a few incidents that the media latches onto.

 

A few muslims kill people, no one bats an eye when all muslims are considered dangerous.

 

A few cops kill people, everyone loses their shit when all cops are considered trigger happy.

 

See where I'm coming from? Double standards and all that.

24 minutes ago, Kallus said:

 

It's not just a few incidents.  If it was a few incidents we wouldn't be losing faith in law enforcement.  If it was a few incidents I wouldn't be so concerned about the state of the US law enforcement.  This is a huge problem that only keeps growing.

 

If you look at the number of interactions Law Enforcement has with the public on a daily basis, yeah, it's a minuscule amount. I'm not going to tell you cops all are perfect, they're not. We are humans, we are not infallible.

 

But to distrust all Law Enforcement because what you see in the news, is not a rational position. Have you ever had a bad experience with Law Enforcement personally? I'm genuinely curious.

 

Quote

A few muslims kill people, no one bats an eye when all muslims are considered dangerous.

 

A few cops kill people, everyone loses their shit when all cops are considered trigger happy.

 

See where I'm coming from? Double standards and all that

 

I don't think it's right to lump in all Muslims as the same either.

 

But we are talking about a profession, not a religion. Conflating the two topics is a fallacy.

I'm sorry you got a 10 over ticket on your birthday. But the way you write that does imply you were caught speeding.

 

If that, and a couple possible traffic situations is the worse contact you've had with LE, is that really enough to hate not just an entire profession, but the people too? Seems rather, silly...

 

It reads to me you just don't like cops because you hold anti-government biases, rather than actual mis-givings. I'm not going to change your mind, but I don't feel their is much substance to your convictions.

 

"Trained liers", "bullies in uniform", "serve the politicians", "boot licker" et al are just parrotted talking points from the cop-block/PINAC crowd. Don't just retort that the "Supreme Court said..." You need to look up the public duty and special duty doctrine. It's Tort law. I'm going to break it to you, cops get fired all the time for failure to act or to preform their duties.

 

Law Enforcement in the United States is not one giant monolithic entity, and it's an unreasonable position to paint with a broad brush.

7 hours ago, Kallus said:

 

It's not just a few incidents.  If it was a few incidents we wouldn't be losing faith in law enforcement.  If it was a few incidents I wouldn't be so concerned about the state of the US law enforcement.  This is a huge problem that only keeps growing.

Well, statistically speaking, Americans aren't losing faith in law enforcement at all. American faith in law enforcement is actually at a record high and it's continuing to increase. Our law enforcement aren't perfect, and no one should expect them to be because they're human, but I'm not really worried about it. I'd say we've got other things to be worried about right now. I'm on my phone but I'll take the time to go and grab the statistics if you like. 

7 hours ago, Hystery said:

 

A few muslims kill people, no one bats an eye when all muslims are considered dangerous.

 

A few cops kill people, everyone loses their shit when all cops are considered trigger happy.

 

See where I'm coming from? Double standards and all that.

Well you can't really compare a religion of murder, oppression, and destruction to a government force who's purpose is to protect and serve. 

(not directed towards the OP or any other reasonable people in this thead)

"there are no good cops" is not a sentence I expected to read on LCPDFR.com.

I really find it hard to believe you're even old enough to have a driver's license.

 

Don't bother responding, you're not worth the effort to continue this.

Edited February 16, 20188 yr by The Loot

I now regret turning on notifications for this thread.

hint: if you can't express your opinions without saying "bootlicker", probably just don't try.

Quote

Mader told CNN that Williams raised his gun and was immediately shot and killed by one of the other officers. A state investigation found the officer's actions were justified.

 

Let me make sure I have this right.  You believe this shooting was unjustified, even though the individual in this case raised a firearm and pointed it at the police?

 

Attempts to reason can only go so far, guy.  The moment a firearm (or other weapon for that matter) is involved the stakes raise exponentially.  All bets for peaceful resolution are off if that gun gets raised or pointed at you.  If you become paralyzed with inaction or constant requests for compliance for too long when the stakes are that high, you end up dead.  Are you familiar with the case of Officer Kyle Dinkheller? 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kyle_Dinkheller

 

Warning on the video.  It's upsetting to say the least.  RIP.

 

----

 

On 2/13/2018 at 12:27 AM, J T said:

they have no obligation to protect people according to the supreme court ruling

 

You've mis-interpreted that Supreme Court ruling, which concluded that the police do not have a duty to protect individual people, but rather the public as a whole.  Read the case summary if you'd like. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

 

----

 

I'm unsure of the specifics as to why the officer was fired though; based upon the fairly limited news article things seemed to be somewhat controlled initially.

 

Edited February 17, 20188 yr by FCV96

35 minutes ago, FCV96 said:

 

You've mis-interpreted that Supreme Court ruling, which concluded that the police do not have a duty to protect individual people, but rather the public as a whole.  Read the case summary if you'd like. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

 

----

 

I'm unsure of the specifics as to why the officer was fired though; based upon the fairly limited news article things seemed to be somewhat controlled initially.

 

I didn't mis-interpreted anything, its pretty clear http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

cops are more worried about stealing money from the public(writing citations) then they are at stopping crime and locking up violent offenders, if it were true then cops across the country would be lowering the crime rate but that is not the case its law abiding gun owners that curb crime

7 hours ago, J T said:

cops are more worried about stealing money from the public(writing citations) then they are at stopping crime and locking up violent offenders

please explain to me how some guy who makes the exact same money whether he writes 1 ticket or 100 tickets is interested in "stealing money from the public". Cops are not evil meanies who find pleasure in having the court take 500 bucks from you.

If you can't be civilized, and have to resort to personal attacks, don't post in this thread.

Here's an older and more detailed CNN article on the same topic. It was linked in Kallus' quotes.

Quote

According to the former officer's lawsuit, Williams' girlfriend had called 911 because he was threatening to hurt himself with a knife.

 

Quote

Mader said he was certain Williams was trying to commit "suicide by cop".

"He didn't appear angry or aggressive," said Mader. "He seemed depressed. As a Marine vet that served in Afghanistan and as an active member of the National Guard, all my training told me he was not a threat to others or me. Because of that I attempted to de-escalate the situation. I was just doing my job."

 

Quote

Williams' girlfriend had told 911 to tell responders that he had a gun but it wasn't loaded, according to the lawsuit. After Williams was killed, investigators also found that it wasn't loaded. It was unclear from the lawsuit whether 911 dispatchers relayed the girlfriend's message to first responders.

 

 

Quote

According to the suit, as Mader was trying to get Williams to drop his gun, two other Weirton Police officers arrived. When Williams raised his gun, one of them "immediately shot Williams in the head, killing him."

 

Link:https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/us/wv-cop-fired-for-not-shooting--lawsuit/

Edited February 22, 20188 yr by Westcoaster