Police Chief, Steven Eric Disario, 36 was slain. He was enroute to a active shooter call at a nursing home. He was last heard over radio "i have the suspect in my sights" he was found by his deputys in the street unresponsive. He was a father of six soon to be seven the suspect was killed.   

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/officer-shot-injured-shooting-ohio-nursing-home-article-1.3159310

 

     This is an edited portion of my original post where I stated this "police brutality and officer killing bullshit means to stop", I was mad about the officers death and should have worded this better. What I meant was ( most ) of the police brutality claims are false, officers are recorded and bashed for anything they do wrong or even the things they do right i have many friends in law enforcement and know many officer son a personnel level they're recorded doing ANYTHING people want to criminalize police. I never meant police brutality never existed that would be a idiotic thing to say and no one in the world can believe that to be true. This post was meant to mourn for  fallen officer, anyone with a link to law enforcement will feel pain that was the purpose not to start a comment war dishonoring what this was meant for however it was partially my fault. This all said it would be nice if you can all delete your comments as this isn't the place for a conflict start another post if you guys would like to continue this.

Edited May 14, 20178 yr by Daszkalti

You know, it's possible for both corrupt police and heroic police to exist. Police brutality, militarization, and lack of accountability are serious problems which need to be addressed. The existence of those issues doesn't in any way minimize this officer's bravery; likewise, his heroism doesn't erase the real problems that exist with policing in the US today. The sooner people stop ignoring facts to take "sides" and start looking holistically at these nuanced and complex of issues, the better. 

This topic has been moved to the appropriate forum. Please post in the correct location in the future.

3 hours ago, PNWParksFan said:

You know, it's possible for both corrupt police and heroic police to exist. Police brutality, militarization, and lack of accountability are serious problems which need to be addressed. The existence of those issues doesn't in any way minimize this officer's bravery; likewise, his heroism doesn't erase the real problems that exist with policing in the US today. The sooner people stop ignoring facts to take "sides" and start looking holistically at these nuanced and complex of issues, the better. 

 

A sane and rational view on policing on LSPDFR?!?! 

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6 hours ago, PNWParksFan said:

You know, it's possible for both corrupt police and heroic police to exist. Police brutality, militarization, and lack of accountability are serious problems which need to be addressed. The existence of those issues doesn't in any way minimize this officer's bravery; likewise, his heroism doesn't erase the real problems that exist with policing in the US today. The sooner people stop ignoring facts to take "sides" and start looking holistically at these nuanced and complex of issues, the better. 

   I never said it didn't exist, i'm quite well aware of that reality but more than not officers are recorded 24/7 for any reason by people just wanting them to do something. And many false claims of police brutality exist, I've got a friend who's a PSO people record him when he is on MVA or even fender benders;  He was a  father of seven, a man. Who was murdered, this isn't the place to make a claim like that I never at any point stated that "police brutality" never existed. I'm surprised by how people respond on this modifications website to a officer being murdered by instead approaching this topic but by starting something else.

Based on my observations, it seems as though most victims of police brutality in today's America are people that created the circumstances themselves.

 

Criminals, that I don't really have any empathy for. Idiots, that failed to obey simple instructions.

 

Edited May 14, 20178 yr by TheDivineHustle

36 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Based on my observations, it seems as though most victims of police brutality in today's America are people that created the circumstances themselves.

 

Criminals, that I don't really have any empathy for. Idiots, that failed to obey simple instructions.

 

Come on, now. What PNWParksFan was perfectly reasonable and you know it. But blaming police brutality on the victim is a little gross, man. We don't live under an authoritarian regime, police brutality violates the 8th amendment. We have a constitutional right to be treated fairly and humanely. You sound like a Blackshirt when you call victims of police brutality "Idiots, that failed to obey simple instructions." 

 

I mean, just think about the term "police brutality" and the fact that you're excusing it. People usually argue that incidents of police brutality aren't actually brutality. But are you actually PRO-police brutality? Think about what you're saying, man. 

The TDH does have a point though, the police only started to "militarize" in order to match what the criminals have, don't want to roll up on a riot in just a regular police car. It's better to be safe than sorry. 

36 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

But blaming police brutality on the victim is a little gross, man. We don't live under an authoritarian regime, police brutality violates the 8th amendment. We have a constitutional right to be treated fairly and humanely. You sound like a Blackshirt when you call victims of police brutality "Idiots, that failed to obey simple instructions." 

 

 

 

 

Because generally speaking, they are indeed idiots that failed to obey simple lawful instructions. 

 

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Come on, now. What PNWParksFan was perfectly reasonable and you know it.

I don't entirely agree with his remarks on militarization and "lack" of accountability. It was reasonable to an extent, but it's still a matter of opinion altogether.

 

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I mean, just think about the term "police brutality" and the fact that you're excusing it. People usually argue that incidents of police brutality aren't actually brutality. But are you actually PRO-police brutality? Think about what you're saying, man. 

 

 

 

 

I don't recall ever saying that I am in support of police brutality. I do remember saying that I have no empathy for individuals (criminals) that bring the brutality upon themselves. Just because I have no sympathy for a criminal doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with the (supposedly) brutal actions of law enforcement.

Edited May 14, 20178 yr by TheDivineHustle

1 hour ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Because generally speaking, they are indeed idiots that failed to obey simple lawful instructions. 

 

I don't entirely agree with his remarks on militarization and "lack" of accountability. It was reasonable to an extent, but it's still a matter of opinion altogether.

 

I don't recall ever saying that I am in support of police brutality. I do remember saying that I have no empathy for individuals (criminals) that bring the brutality upon themselves. Just because I have no sympathy for a criminal doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with the (supposedly) brutal actions of law enforcement.

I wasn't claiming you were, I was asking if you were. If you make an argument that completely fails to condemn police brutality, its not a far fetched idea to think that you might kind of like seeing cops rough people up. And not everyone that experiences police brutality is a criminal, that's an ugly truth you have to learn to accept. A lot of them aren't. And whats with the 'supposedly'? Police brutality is brutal...that's why its called police brutality.

 

With all due respect, you need to put some more thought into what you're saying, unless you're trying to be inflammatory. Storming into a thread claiming that victims of police brutality 'brought it on themselves' is essentially JUSTIFYING the brutality. It makes police brutality sound like an appropriate response to an uncooperative citizen, something our law enforcement officials are tasked with dealing with every single day. If they can't do the job without brutalizing people, they shouldn't be on the job. 

Edited May 14, 20178 yr by Riley24

2 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

I wasn't claiming you were, I was asking if you were.

And not everyone that experiences police brutality is a criminal, that's an ugly truth you have to learn to accept. A lot of them aren't. And whats with the 'supposedly'? Police brutality is brutal...that's why its called police brutality.

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Of course, I'm not saying that the police are justified to run up and down the street doing whatever the hell they want. All I'm saying is that in today's America, generally speaking, victims of police brutality brought it upon themselves because they are criminals.

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If you make an argument that completely fails to condemn police brutality, its not a far fetched idea to think that you might kind of like seeing cops rough people up.

I personally enjoy seeing violent criminals get roughed up by the police.

Really sad to see. RIP, officer.

22 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

 

Refer to my updated post. 

24 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Of course, I'm not saying that the police are justified to run up and down the street doing whatever the hell they want. All I'm saying is that in today's America, generally speaking, victims of police brutality brought it upon themselves because they are criminals.

I personally enjoy seeing violent criminals get roughed up by the police.

You're aware that police brutality is unacceptable in EVERY case, right? Criminals are still protected by the constitution, no matter how much of a tough guy you are. And I love how it went from 'victims of police brutality' to 'criminals' to 'violent criminals'. You're trying to justify police brutality and its sickening.

Edited May 14, 20178 yr by Riley24

19 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

You're aware that police brutality is unacceptable in EVERY case, right? Criminals are still protected by the constitution, no matter how much of a tough guy you are. And I love how it went from 'victims of police brutality' to 'criminals' to 'violent criminals'.

 

 

Of course, it's unacceptable, I didn't say that police brutality was OK. I said that police brutality versus a criminal (a violent criminal to be specific) isn't something that I'm concerned or empathetic about.

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You're trying to justify police brutality and its sickening.

"I'm not saying that the police are justified to run up and down the street doing whatever the hell they want."

5 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Of course, it's unacceptable, I didn't say that police brutality was OK. I said that police brutality versus a criminal (a violent criminal to be specific) isn't something that I'm concerned or empathetic about.

 

So, for you, it's normal for the police to be violent against a violent criminal. Fight fire with fire, basically. And then people wonder why they have no more faith in police than criminals, well if they act like them no wonder.

6 hours ago, Hystery said:

 

So, for you, it's normal for the police to be violent against a violent criminal. Fight fire with fire, basically. And then people wonder why they have no more faith in police than criminals, well if they act like them no wonder.

 

12 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Of course, it's unacceptable, I didn't say that police brutality was OK. I said that police brutality versus a criminal (a violent criminal to be specific) isn't something that I'm concerned or empathetic about.

"I'm not saying that the police are justified to run up and down the street doing whatever the hell they want."

 

 

Yeah, I've read what you said. Doesn't make more sense the second time than the first. Basically, you say "I'm against brutality. But I don't care about it when it's against violent criminals". It's contradictory.

 

Sorry to tell you that, but if police officers want to be respected, they need to remain examplar. No matter what kind of suspect they have in their hands, they all have to be treated the same way. Otherwise they're just lowering themselves to the same low level of those petty criminals. Which in turn makes people see them as nothing more than violent people in official suits with trigger happy fingers.

Edited May 14, 20178 yr by Hystery

Since when was this a topic about police brutality?

1 minute ago, cp702 said:

Since when was this a topic about police brutality?

 

Since pretty much the original post, it was mentioned there. "Police brutality bullshit". Enough for people to start another debate about it.

42 minutes ago, Hystery said:

 

Since pretty much the original post, it was mentioned there. "Police brutality bullshit". Enough for people to start another debate about it.

 

44 minutes ago, cp702 said:

Since when was this a topic about police brutality?

 

42 minutes ago, Hystery said:

 

Since pretty much the original post, it was mentioned there. "Police brutality bullshit". Enough for people to start another debate about it.

 

44 minutes ago, cp702 said:

Since when was this a topic about police brutality?

 

1 hour ago, TheDivineHustle said:

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, Hystery said:

 

So, for you, it's normal for the police to be violent against a violent criminal. Fight fire with fire, basically. And then people wonder why they have no more faith in police than criminals, well if they act like them no wonder.

 

13 hours ago, Riley24 said:

Refer to my updated post. 

You're aware that police brutality is unacceptable in EVERY case, right? Criminals are still protected by the constitution, no matter how much of a tough guy you are. And I love how it went from 'victims of police brutality' to 'criminals' to 'violent criminals'. You're trying to justify police brutality and its sickening.

 

14 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Of course, I'm not saying that the police are justified to run up and down the street doing whatever the hell they want. All I'm saying is that in today's America, generally speaking, victims of police brutality brought it upon themselves because they are criminals.

I personally enjoy seeing violent criminals get roughed up by the police.

 

15 hours ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

The TDH does have a point though, the police only started to "militarize" in order to match what the criminals have, don't want to roll up on a riot in just a regular police car. It's better to be safe than sorry. 

 

On ‎5‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 3:03 AM, PNWParksFan said:

You know, it's possible for both corrupt police and heroic police to exist. Police brutality, militarization, and lack of accountability are serious problems which need to be addressed. The existence of those issues doesn't in any way minimize this officer's bravery; likewise, his heroism doesn't erase the real problems that exist with policing in the US today. The sooner people stop ignoring facts to take "sides" and start looking holistically at these nuanced and complex of issues, the better. 

 All of you, go read the topic it has been updated to resolve this conflict.