Hey guys, so I thought I share this very hot story going around my city right now, a woman was arrested for not t using her turn signal (didn't know you could be arrested for that) then as she was brought to jail, there were reports of brutality I guess you could say? After this she committed suicide by a trash bag, but others say the police killed her. Anyways we don't have all the facts yet (I'm waiting on the autopsy report) so let's just see what really happened, what do you guys think? 

http://abc13.com/news/questions-surround-womans-apparent-suicide-death-in-waller-county-jail/853050/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/21/sandra-bland-jail-video/30460631/

I highly doubt the police killed her.

Also it says she was arrested for assaulting a police officer.  Perhaps there was something wrong with the arrest itself, but for the police to actually kill someone in a jail cell?  Seems a bit far fetched, even in Texas!

 a woman was arrested for not t using her turn signal (didn't know you could be arrested for that)

No, she wasn't

Eyewitnesses say she was combative, and soon, she was arrested for assault on a public servant. 

Why would cops kill people in detention? That could happen during an aggressive  interview with some crook or something, but murder an ordinary detainee? 

God dang it, the media has fooled me again, sorry guys, I didn't do enough research. 

Edited July 21, 201510 yr by TheSandwichStealer

As others have already pointed out you can't be arrested for not using your turn signal alone, she was fighting a police officer so that is what she was arrested for.

I don't think this story is worth the time. Just another case of a family saying that "my son/daughter would never do that" and "they were such a nice person turning their life around" which might be true but I think part of it is the denial during the grieving process that makes them think that something else had to be the cause of her death. What motive would a detention deputy have to murder a random woman? But this is no surprise to me, yet another story of the family of the suspect saying that the police murdered their child even when the only "evidence" they have for such accusation is "my son/daughter would never do that".

Edited July 21, 201510 yr by l3ubba

Murder.

Murder.

Lol, nice troll attempt. Unless of course you are actually serious, in which case I would like to know what evidence you have that says this was a murder other than the family's evidence of "my son/daughter would never do that".

As others have already pointed out you can't be arrested for not using your turn signal alone, she was fighting a police officer so that is what she was arrested for.

I don't think this story is worth the time. Just another case of a family saying that "my son/daughter would never do that" and "they were such a nice person turning their life around" which might be true but I think part of it is the denial during the grieving process that makes them think that something else had to be the cause of her death. What motive would a detention deputy have to murder a random woman? But this is no surprise to me, yet another story of the family of the suspect saying that the police murdered their child even when the only "evidence" they have for such accusation is "my son/daughter would never do that".

Well let's not forget the family is saying that is wrong because the girl was going to college, you know the good old "my daughter was a good college student" argument. 

Lol, nice troll attempt. Unless of course you are actually serious, in which case I would like to know what evidence you have that says this was a murder other than the family's evidence of "my son/daughter would never do that".

The only evidence I need at the moment is the fact that Her family in which are very close sources  has stated That she never would have committed suicide. She wasn't that type of individual. Also Commit suicide for what? She wasn't serving a life sentence. If  its logical enough to form a case then there's suspicion.

Well let's not forget the family is saying that is wrong because the girl was going to college, you know the good old "my daughter was a good college student" argument. 

To what reason would she take her life in prison? She wasn't serving a life sentence.

The only evidence I need at the moment is the fact that Her family in which are very close sources  has stated That she never would have committed suicide. She wasn't that type of individual. Also Commit suicide for what? She wasn't serving a life sentence. If  its logical enough to form a case then there's suspicion.

To what reason would she take her life in prison? She wasn't serving a life sentence.

Okay let me ask you this, what reason did she have to not use her turn signal and for being disruptive? 

Okay let me ask you this, what reason did she have to not use her turn signal and for being disruptive? 

Well sir maybe it was broken. As human being we all forget to do the simple things from time to time. However I think you'll find that little reason like this have been allowing police to abuse their powers.  True story I remember being stop by some detectives 2 years ago on a routine stop and frisk. in NYC of course. They began frisking me  in which I  allowed an cooperated. One of the officers began to rub my testicles naturally I jumped because I knew that wasn't typical. When I jumped he began shouting "quit resisting" he then  use alot more force than he should have.  point is whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, police do infact abuse their powers; and alot often than they should. They suffer from all sorts of mental issue's and who wouldn't the things they have to see would do it to anyone. But something needs to be done. 

Edited July 21, 201510 yr by NYPDDetectiveODonnell

Well sir maybe it was broken. As human being we all forget to do the simple things from time to time. However I think you'll find that little reason like this have been allowing police to abuse their powers.  True story I remember being stop by some detectives 2 years ago on a routine stop and frisk. in NYC of course. They began frisking in which allowed an cooperated. One of the officers began to rub my testicles naturally I jumped because I knew that wasn't typical. When I jumped he began shouting quit resisting and use alot more force than he should have.  Whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, police do infact abuse their powers. And alot often than they should. They suffer from all sorts of mental issue's and who wouldn't the things they have to see would do it to anyone. But something needs to be done. 

Okay. Not to sound offensive, but I find your story preposterous, you should've reported it to IAB. Anyways this still does not give  the woman a reason to be resistant towards the officer, also where is the proof that officers often abuse their power? 

Okay. Not to sound offensive, but I find your story preposterous, you should've reported it to IAB. Anyways this still does not give  the woman a reason to be resistant towards the officer, also where is the proof that officers often abuse their power? 

:) Sir are you aware of how many officer's end up in prison? The study says 1 out of 3. That is high considering that they are sworn officials who's sole purpose is to protect the country from terror. I would say there should be none in prison. This is evidence that they abuse their power. What about the officer in mexico that raped a woman. He got life behind bars. Giving a badge and a license to control population and kill to any human leaves room or opportunity  for abuse sir.

Edited July 21, 201510 yr by NYPDDetectiveODonnell

:) Sir are you aware of how many officer's end up in prison? The study says 1 out of 3. That is high considering that they are sworn officials who's sole purpose is to protect the country from terror. I would say there should be none in prison. This is evidence that they abuse their power. What about the officer in mexico that raped a woman. He got life behind bars. Giving a badge and a license to control population and kill to any human leaves room or opportunity  for abuse sir.

• Oh, yes: "The Study". A concrete proof if ever there was one. 
• What, exactly, is this evidence? There is, quite literally, zero evidence of anything regarding police corruption in either that article or your statements.
• Mexico is different from the United States. Quite different, actually - especially concerning corruption and police activities. You also fail to cite any source here.
• No police officer in the United States has a "license to kill". Hell, they are held to the same exact criteria concerning murder and self defense as the general population. I believe most of the time an officer has to shoot someone its because he was poorly trained and is just too damn nervous. This doesn't excuse murder, however, and a failure to prosecute an officer of the law for murdering someone is absolutely more the fault of the courts and society than any accused officer.

At any rate, you're arguments are borderline absurd. You're obviously biased, for whatever reason, and fail to understand the importance of citing concrete sources in any argument. I'd recommend you take a step back and research a bit more before being so quick to judge.

 

Edited July 22, 201510 yr by nAssailant

• Oh, yes: "The Study". A concrete proof if ever there was one. 
• What, exactly, is this evidence? There is, quite literally, zero evidence of anything regarding police corruption in either that article or your statements.
• Mexico is different from the United States. Quite different, actually - especially concerning corruption and police activities. You also fail to cite any source here.
• No police officer in the United States has a "license to kill". Hell, they are held to the same exact criteria concerning murder and self defense as the general population. I believe most of the time an officer has to shoot someone its because he was poorly trained and is just too damn nervous. This doesn't excuse murder, however, and a failure to prosecute an officer of the law for murdering someone is absolutely more the fault of the courts and society than any accused officer.

At any rate, you're arguments are borderline absurd. You're obviously biased, for whatever reason, and fail to understand the importance of citing concrete sources in any argument. I'd recommend you take a step back and research a bit more before being so quick to judge.

 

:) First off When I said mexico I was referring to New Mexico, sorry didn't know I had to that simplistic. 

License to kill is the official sanction by a government to a particular operative or employee to initiate the use of lethal force in the delivery of their objectives, well known as a literary device used in espionage fiction. The initiation of lethal force is in comparison to the use of lethal force in self-defense or the protection of life.

The legitimacy of deadly force usage from country to country is generally controlled by statute law, particular and direct executive orders, the common law, or rules of engagement.

 

Police are no longer public officials, but rather government officials. They have become a secret society with a secret agenda. The people no longer pay their taxes, the state or government does. :) Didn't think I knew that huh? I have my own fences. 

 

I have found that the culture that exists in the world of police work fosters distrust. They see the average citizen as the enemy. In my experience, I have known very very few police officers who even bother to be polite to people, even when there is no investigation going on. I have personally been subjected to non-justifiable harassment as well as what could only be construed as false imprisonment. The charges were summarily dropped by the DA, because they were transparently false, but they still came back to haunt me later in life. I have come to believe that the only officer of the law who does not abuse their power is the rookie, and he or she simply hasn't had the time to get used to the fact that all the senior officers would rather shoot someone than take a punch.

 

I am not biased, however neither am I blind or ignorant.  I am for any police officer who is pro life, and pro Constitution.  I do favor police officer who put state statues over federal law. 

 

I'd recommend you take a step back and research a bit more before being so quick to judge.

:) Yeah I'll consider this when you show me an officer who does this. 

 

You are all part of the same team. The solution to  these nazi's would be for all Citizens who understand my point to form and fund private police forces. 

 

 

Come on guys, I feel like next someone is going to say a pack of UFOs with blue and red lights came and started shooting people down with laser cannons.

Unfortunately the video doesn't show the full arrest.  I wouldn't be surprised if it got a bit heavy handed, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the force used wasn't exactly justified either.  The fact must surely be that there's a much higher chance of there being something wrong with her arrest than with her being found dead in a jail.  It is extremely far fetched to suggest that she was murdered by police while inside a jail cell.

My guess is she somehow provoked the cop, eventually resulting in her being ordered out of the car.  She then probably wouldn't get out or something, so she was, perhaps quite forcibly, made to get out.  I know one thing for sure though, trying to guess why someone killed themselves is futile.  You can't apply rational logic to that sort of thing.  "Why would she do that, she was getting out the next day."  Yeah, that's rational thought.  Turns out when people kill themselves, chances are they're not thinking very rationally.

:) First off When I said mexico I was referring to New Mexico, sorry didn't know I had to that simplistic. 

License to kill is the official sanction by a government to a particular operative or employee to initiate the use of lethal force in the delivery of their objectives, well known as a literary device used in espionage fiction. The initiation of lethal force is in comparison to the use of lethal force in self-defense or the protection of life.

The legitimacy of deadly force usage from country to country is generally controlled by statute law, particular and direct executive orders, the common law, or rules of engagement.

 

Police are no longer public officials, but rather government officials. They have become a secret society with a secret agenda. The people no longer pay their taxes, the state or government does. :) Didn't think I knew that huh? I have my own fences. 

 

I have found that the culture that exists in the world of police work fosters distrust. They see the average citizen as the enemy. In my experience, I have known very very few police officers who even bother to be polite to people, even when there is no investigation going on. I have personally been subjected to non-justifiable harassment as well as what could only be construed as false imprisonment. The charges were summarily dropped by the DA, because they were transparently false, but they still came back to haunt me later in life. I have come to believe that the only officer of the law who does not abuse their power is the rookie, and he or she simply hasn't had the time to get used to the fact that all the senior officers would rather shoot someone than take a punch.

 

I am not biased, however neither am I blind or ignorant.  I am for any police officer who is pro life, and pro Constitution.  I do favor police officer who put state statues over federal law. 

 

I'd recommend you take a step back and research a bit more before being so quick to judge.

:) Yeah I'll consider this when you show me an officer who does this. 

 

You are all part of the same team. The solution to  these nazi's would be for all Citizens who understand my point to form and fund private police forces. 

 

 

Police are no longer public officials, but rather government officials. They have become a secret society with a secret agenda. The people no longer pay their taxes, the state or government does. :) Didn't think I knew that huh? I have my own fences. 

This made me puke in my mouth a little. I won't address the rest of your comment, because I don't have the patience to do so at this current time; and I'm not in the best mood... but this... I have to address this.

I sincerely do hope and pray to the Lord that you aren't serious when you state this. The police are the people, I don't understand why people seem to think that police are robots or something. They have wives, husbands, kids, homes and family just as we do. I'm sure that if the police were commanded to do something notably wrong or abusive, most would be willing to lay down their badge then act dishonorably and betray what they stand for and defend. I don't understand how anyone could think that the police are a "secret society". I honestly don't even know what that means.

:) First off When I said mexico I was referring to New Mexico, sorry didn't know I had to that simplistic. 

License to kill is the official sanction by a government to a particular operative or employee to initiate the use of lethal force in the delivery of their objectives, well known as a literary device used in espionage fiction. The initiation of lethal force is in comparison to the use of lethal force in self-defense or the protection of life.

The legitimacy of deadly force usage from country to country is generally controlled by statute law, particular and direct executive orders, the common law, or rules of engagement.

 

Police are no longer public officials, but rather government officials. They have become a secret society with a secret agenda. The people no longer pay their taxes, the state or government does. :) Didn't think I knew that huh? I have my own fences. 

 

 

"License to Kill", in the sense you are describing, is most aptly attributed to the rules of engagement of a soldier in a foreign, hostile land rather than a police officer of any jurisdiction in the United States. "Deadly Force", which is arguably under the umbrella of that dramatic term you are fond of, is applied to law enforcement when an officer is met with a situation where he could prevent harm to himself or others by discharging his weapon. I stand by my argument that most of the time it is not intentional abuse of power, but rather poor training and nerves. The failure to prosecute the legitimate abuse of power, however, is a failure of the courts and society, and not any individual person.

All government officials ARE public officials. Even the ones in those super-secret agencies like the NSA. They are all subject to some form of government oversight, even if it isn't directly from the population but rather from some publicly elected official. That's how republics work.

 

 

I am not biased, however neither am I blind or ignorant.  I am for any police officer who is pro life, and pro Constitution.  I do favor police officer who put state statues over federal law. 

 

I'd recommend you take a step back and research a bit more before being so quick to judge.

:) Yeah I'll consider this when you show me an officer who does this. 

 

You are all part of the same team. The solution to  these nazi's would be for all Citizens who understand my point to form and fund private police forces. 

 

 

I don't doubt you, or anyone, prefers it when our police officers follow the rules. However, like anything anywhere, there will be people who don't. They are not, however, as commonplace as you'd think. At the very least we should give our police officers the benefit of the doubt; just as we should anyone accused with a crime. In the United States it is "innocent until proven guilty", after all.

You should always strive to have all the facts before making an argument. To do otherwise not only fails yourself and your opinions, but it detracts from your entire side's credibility. To quickly judge wrongdoing with minimal facts and evidence delivers injustice to the innocent and wrongly accused and hides the guilty from the consequences. You should consider your arguments closely, always.

To finish off my point, private police forces have lead to poor oversight, rampant corruption, and heavy injustice in the past. I point to the Pinkerton Detective Agency and the Homestead Strike and the ensuing chaos and death that resulted. In fact, one could argue that the police force in the US is what you describe, in that it is formed and funded by city and county agencies that are paid for and derive their authority from the people in that jurisdiction (through taxes and elections). 

In closing, you have no real bearing on the realities of this situation and have become brainwashed into your current biases. Not only that, but your passive-aggressive tone and lack of concrete argument, as well as your instantiation of Godwin's Law, does you a great disservice.

 

Come on guys, I feel like next someone is going to say a pack of UFOs with blue and red lights came and started shooting people down with laser cannons.

Unfortunately the video doesn't show the full arrest.  I wouldn't be surprised if it got a bit heavy handed, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the force used wasn't exactly justified either.  The fact must surely be that there's a much higher chance of there being something wrong with her arrest than with her being found dead in a jail.  It is extremely far fetched to suggest that she was murdered by police while inside a jail cell.

My guess is she somehow provoked the cop, eventually resulting in her being ordered out of the car.  She then probably wouldn't get out or something, so she was, perhaps quite forcibly, made to get out.  I know one thing for sure though, trying to guess why someone killed themselves is futile.  You can't apply rational logic to that sort of thing.  "Why would she do that, she was getting out the next day."  Yeah, that's rational thought.  Turns out when people kill themselves, chances are they're not thinking very rationally.

I agree. We can't tell exactly what happens from that video, and it is unlikely that a police officer would kill her in the jail cell (how he could even do so without anyone seeing him is also something to think about). I don't know why she would kill herself - or even if it was intentional - and I agree that you can't apply logic to that sort of thing. It is a tragedy, though, and I'm sorry that it happened.

Edited July 22, 201510 yr by nAssailant

 

"License to Kill", in the sense you are describing, is most aptly attributed to the rules of engagement of a soldier in a foreign, hostile land rather than a police officer of any jurisdiction in the United States. "Deadly Force", which is arguably under the umbrella of that dramatic term you are fond of, is applied to law enforcement when an officer is met with a situation where he could prevent harm to himself or others by discharging his weapon. I stand by my argument that most of the time it is not intentional abuse of power, but rather poor training and nerves. The failure to prosecute the legitimate abuse of power, however, is a failure of the courts and society, and not any individual person.

All government officials ARE public officials. Even the ones in those super-secret agencies like the NSA. They are all subject to some form of government oversight, even if it isn't directly from the population but rather from some publicly elected official. That's how republics work.

 

I don't doubt you, or anyone, prefers it when our police officers follow the rules. However, like anything anywhere, there will be people who don't. They are not, however, as commonplace as you'd think. At the very least we should give our police officers the benefit of the doubt; just as we should anyone accused with a crime. In the United States it is "innocent until proven guilty", after all.

You should always strive to have all the facts before making an argument. To do otherwise not only fails yourself and your opinions, but it detracts from your entire side's credibility. To quickly judge wrongdoing with minimal facts and evidence delivers injustice to the innocent and wrongly accused and hides the guilty from the consequences. You should consider your arguments closely, always.

To finish off my point, private police forces have lead to poor oversight, rampant corruption, and heavy injustice in the past. I point to the Pinkerton Detective Agency and the Homestead Strike and the ensuing chaos and death that resulted. In fact, one could argue that the police force in the US is what you describe, in that it is formed and funded by city and county agencies that are paid for and derive their authority from the people in that jurisdiction (through taxes and elections). 

In closing, you have no real bearing on the realities of this situation and have become brainwashed into your current biases. Not only that, but your passive-aggressive tone and lack of concrete argument, as well as your instantiation of Godwin's Law, does you a great disservice.

 

 

I agree. We can't tell exactly what happens from that video, and it is unlikely that a police officer would kill her in the jail cell (how he could even do so without anyone seeing him is also something to think about). I don't know why she would kill herself - or even if it was intentional - and I agree that you can't apply logic to that sort of thing. It is a tragedy, though, and I'm sorry that it happened.

OH come on don't be naive. There are all sorts of video's on Youtube that show police officers abusing their powers. Heck there are video where good police officers catch bad police officers speeding, sleeping on the job etc..... Come on. Police officers are not GOD  neither are they exempt to tribulations humankind has to face. The problem I have with police is their inability to be honest even when caught red handed.  If the C.I.A. had involvement is contra cocaine bust, then you honestly believe that police officers can't be just as crooked? LOL you guys must be officers yourself. 

 

I have a buddy in the police force who in high school we were the best of friends, we both wanted to become police officers it was our dream. Although mine was destroyed, he successfully completed his(which I am seriously proud of him for)  However he stressed to me that things would never be how it was due to the fact that I am a felon. He stated that most officers are not allowed to have relationships with felons of my sort.  In other words he tossed away 8 years of friendship.  What people would suggest this? How can socalled good guys behave that way? 

There is one situation in which law enforcement officers have a license to kill: when carrying out a death sentence. Any other time, it must be justified by the officer: self-defense, defense of others, preventing the escape of a dangerous criminal, and preventing the escape of a prisoner (in some circumstances). The first two are options for everyone; I'm not sure about the latter two.

@NYPDDetectiveODonnell: I'm really not sure what you're trying to say about cops, but any cop who prioritizes state laws over federal is violating his oath. The oath taken by every police officer binds them to uphold the United States Constitution, and the US Constitution and laws made pursuant to it are supreme over all state laws and everything in any state constitution. There is little difference between a "public official" and a "government official;" one definition of "public" given by Merriam-Webster is "of or relating to a government," and the OED says "public" in the sense of "public servant" means "Serving the public in a professional capacity; (in later use) spec. employed by local or central government." The term "police" itself literally derives from a Latin and ultimately ancient Greek root relating to government ("police," "policy," "politics," "polity," are all related terms).

I don't find it odd in the least that someone who was a close friend in high school would not remain close once your lives took very different turns. Neither of you is the same person you were in high school, and you are likely not his only friend. I have people I was friends with for 7-ish years in middle and high school who I don't talk to anymore, for the sole reason that we went away to college in different places and are making new sets of friends.