Today The Sweden Report website published an article describing how the Sweden authorities are planning to provide returning home ISIS-jihadists with free housing and money, and also find them jobs. Unfortunately I do not understand Sweden and can't find any other proofs about that. So if anyone familiar with Sweden is able to translate and confirm or deny this rumor I'd be grateful. The article itself cannot be considered impartial and I can't trust its contents fully. 

Here's the article: http://swedenreport.org/2015/05/14/rewarding-jihadists/

Here's that Stockholm new policy report (in Sweden): http://insynsverige.se/documentHandler.ashx?did=1798005

Today The Sweden Report website published an article describing how the Sweden authorities are planning to provide returning home ISIS-jihadists with free housing and money, and also find them jobs. Unfortunately I do not understand Sweden and can't find any other proofs about that. So if anyone familiar with Sweden is able to translate and confirm or deny this rumor I'd be grateful. The article itself cannot be considered impartial and I can't trust its contents fully. 

Here's the article: http://swedenreport.org/2015/05/14/rewarding-jihadists/

Here's that Stockholm new policy report (in Sweden): http://insynsverige.se/documentHandler.ashx?did=1798005

​like someone said it reads like the onion. i call bull. but if im wrong guess its a good thing i prefer finland

Well the short answer is yes, it is true. The longer answer is that the ruling government wants to help them re-intergrate into society by providing opportunities for jobs and housing instead of stripping them of their Swedish Citizienship (which I think is the only logical way to go about this kind of people). 

From what I could read from the report it's a sort of relief program, of sorts. 

It's a very lenient way to go about it, and part of our already derailed and irresponsible policies with these kind of questions (immigration, reintergration, how to deal with jihad, etc). I'm not sure it will do any good, but time will tell.

One important thing to note is that we're not giving them free stuff, we're providing them with the means to get this stuff and a way to bypass standard regulations in a way. I'd translate the document for you, but it's a lot of text and running it through translate will actually give you a rough idea of the concept. Feel free to ask me about any specific sections though, I'll do my best to translate it. 

Well the short answer is yes, it is true. The longer answer is that the ruling government wants to help them re-intergrate into society by providing opportunities for jobs and housing instead of stripping them of their Swedish Citizienship (which I think is the only logical way to go about this kind of people). 

 

Well, probably they have their reasons or something. I'm more interested in the lawish side of things. Could you please tell me, does this report describe the legal aspects of this re-integration program? I mean, must crimes, committed by a Swedish citizen abroad, be prosecuted in Sweden? And if the answer is yes, how does this report propose to bypass it? And are all the homecomers included in this program, including those who committed serious crimes? 

Well, probably they have their reasons or something. I'm more interested in the lawish side of things. Could you please tell me, does this report describe the legal aspects of this re-integration program? I mean, must crimes, committed by a Swedish citizen abroad, be prosecuted in Sweden? And if the answer is yes, how does this report propose to bypass it? And are all the homecomers included in this program, including those who committed serious crimes? 

​This report / propsal covers those who go to a foreign country with the intents of fighting for a criminal / terrorist organization, in this case ISIS, but then change their minds and want to return home. There are no punishments listed, as far as I can tell, only that SÄPO (Swedish Secret Police) is to be keeping an eye on interesting individuals. 

To answer your question more direct: No, it does not describe the legal aspects of this re-integration program. 

​This report / propsal covers those who go to a foreign country with the intents of fighting for a criminal / terrorist organization, in this case ISIS, but then change their minds and want to return home. There are no punishments listed, as far as I can tell, only that SÄPO (Swedish Secret Police) is to be keeping an eye on interesting individuals. 

To answer your question more direct: No, it does not describe the legal aspects of this re-integration program. 

​Well, the more an answer is indirect, the more it's interesting for me! But I don't want to trouble you any more, thanks for explaining this part. 

My country went through the same procedure 15 years ago. Can't say it works. 

​This report / propsal covers those who go to a foreign country with the intents of fighting for a criminal / terrorist organization, in this case ISIS, but then change their minds and want to return home. There are no punishments listed, as far as I can tell, only that SÄPO (Swedish Secret Police) is to be keeping an eye on interesting individuals. 

To answer your question more direct: No, it does not describe the legal aspects of this re-integration program.

Do the Swedish people support this type of action by its government? If something like this were to happen in the US, there'd be a lot of people that would want to close the borders. Probably what the US should do anyways. 

Do the Swedish people support this type of action by its government? If something like this were to happen in the US, there'd be a lot of people that would want to close the borders. Probably what the US should do anyways. 

​There are always people who oppose it, but as far as I know, most are for it, or indifferent about it. 

​There are always people who oppose it, but as far as I know, most are for it, or indifferent about it. 

The biggest problem is it allows these people to come from where ever they were, to Sweden, and then travel much more freely throughout the world. For example, if you want to come to anywhere in Europe or the US from a suspect part of the globe, it would be much easier and would involve less scrutiny if you were coming from Sweden as opposed to Yemen or UAE, etc. A classic case is people traveling from the UK to the US--there is much less scrutiny than coming from other places (If you are a resident of the UK and have a British passport if you want to come to the US you do not even need a visa) and policies such as this one allows "the bad guys" to travel around the world much more easily.

Edited May 15, 201510 yr by Senatov

Today The Sweden Report website published an article describing how the Sweden authorities are planning to provide returning home ISIS-jihadists with free housing

​In prison hopefully.

​In prison hopefully.

​If the current leniency of the Swedish Government continues, no. 

The biggest problem is it allows these people to come from where ever they were, to Sweden, and then travel much more freely throughout the world. For example, if you want to come to anywhere in Europe or the US from a suspect part of the globe, it would be much easier and would involve less scrutiny if you were coming from Sweden as opposed to Yemen or UAE, etc. A classic case is people traveling from the UK to the US--there is much less scrutiny than coming from other places (If you are a resident of the UK and have a British passport if you want to come to the US you do not even need a visa) and policies such as this one allows "the bad guys" to travel around the world much more easily.

And this is why I think that it's kind of fucked up. Terrorists can go to a suspect part of the world and commit horrible acts of immorality, fly to Sweden, then head to whatever country they want. What might happen is countries might start blacklisting Sweden. 

And this is why I think that it's kind of fucked up. Terrorists can go to a suspect part of the world and commit horrible acts of immorality, fly to Sweden, then head to whatever country they want. What might happen is countries might start blacklisting Sweden. 

​Well, ineseri just said that it only applies to people who were on their way to join a group but then changed their minds at the last minute, not actual terrorists; although I have no idea how they plan on actually determining who did what.

​Well, ineseri just said that it only applies to people who were on their way to join a group but then changed their minds at the last minute, not actual terrorists; although I have no idea how they plan on actually determining who did what.

Interesting. I think that if you even made the consideration of joining a terrorist group that you pose a threat to public safety. The fact that you even considered joining a cult of murderers shouldn't be taken lightly. What if I decide to fly out and then "change my mind" to receive the benefits? In my opinion, that entire system is ridiculously broken. 

Interesting. I think that if you even made the consideration of joining a terrorist group that you pose a threat to public safety. The fact that you even considered joining a cult of murderers shouldn't be taken lightly. 

And let's hope it stays the way it is now. If i understand correctly, you want people who have thoughts being punished for a crime that they did not even commit, but only were considering it? Let's hope they never put you in charge, no offence. But that's dangerous thinking.

That's whats happening in the Netherlands. Instead of letting the Jihadpeople leave, then revoke their passport so they are stuck there, they rather take away the passport upfront so that the jihadibeards have no other choice then staying in the country they hate so much, making them even more angry at western civilization, and making it more dangerous for Dutchies.

But no, politics. Claim to know what's going on, act like they don't know a thing about what's going on. Same in northern EU.

Edited May 16, 201510 yr by TheChef

I have two separate feeling about this issue. First, I do like this initiative because Sweden governments wants to rehabilitate, not punish. That's the attitude I'd love to see in the future (a really distant future that is) towards people who really want to break free from their bad life. Not incarcerating or labeling people for the rest of their lives but helping them. 

And second, it's just plain naive and stupid to believe that people who volunteer to kill and torture will not abuse and exploit this opportunity? It's like those libertarian theories: sounds really nice but when applied to real life people it turns into shit. 

And let's hope it stays the way it is now. If i understand correctly, you want people who have thoughts being punished for a crime that they did not even commit, but only were considering it? Let's hope they never put you in charge, no offence. But that's dangerous thinking.

That's whats happening in the Netherlands. Instead of letting the Jihadpeople leave, then revoke their passport so they are stuck there, they rather take away the passport upfront so that the jihadibeards have no other choice then staying in the country they hate so much, making them even more angry at western civilization, and making it more dangerous for Dutchies.

But no, politics. Claim to know what's going on, act like they don't know a thing about what's going on. Same in northern EU.

No, I'm not sure where you got that from. I said that people who consider joining ISIS and leave their nation in an attempt to do so, but then return later with a change of decision should still be punished. This isn't a matter of consideration, this is a matter of following through with a decision and then changing that decision at the last minute. It's like running into a bank with a gun, then walking out because you decided that you don't want to rob the bank anymore. I don't see any logic in allowing them to walk free when they were on the verge of committing a serious crime. It isn't dangerous thinking, it's really common sense thinking. If you can't handle the punishment of a crime, then don't do it. It's that simple. These people know exactly what ISIS does, and what they're capable of doing. When they make the decision to go and join them, they should automatically be put on a blacklist of rejection to entry back into the country. Leaving things they way they are now, is dangerous thinking, and it's actually very stupid. The system is broken, and to leave it broken doesn't make any sense. Who cares if they get angry of being revoked their citizenship? If they try anything stupid, then they'll suffer the harsh reality of the first world justice system. Life moves on.

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Edited May 16, 201510 yr by IntentionalDefiance