This is a forum for if you are following the Israeli elections. This is a place to talk about it.

Personally, I'm a supporter of the Likud party, which means I support Bibi. Hopefully he will win, regardless of the stunt he pulled a few days back regarding Palestine (this is not a thread to complain about the legitness of Palestine). We will se...

Can someone explain how the forming-a-government part works?

Can someone explain how the forming-a-government part works?

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I'm disappointed. I know nothing about the other candidates but I do not like Netanyahu. He's just another aggressor in a conflict going back decades for which I place more of the blame on Israel. 

Do these elections have some sort of significant impact on our every-day lives? If not, I don't really have any thoughts on the elections because in that case, I don't care. Can someone please explain why these elections even matter to anyone not in the Israeli geographical area?

Do these elections have some sort of significant impact on our every-day lives? If not, I don't really have any thoughts on the elections because in that case, I don't care. Can someone please explain why these elections even matter to anyone not in the Israeli geographical area?

Because everything the Israeli's do has an effect on US-Middle East relations. Part of the reason so many people are so hostile to the US in the region is because of the US's staunch support of Israel.

 

It's basic geopolitics.

Edited March 23, 201511 yr by SIR_Sergeant

Because everything the Israeli's do has an effect on US-Middle East relations. Part of the reason so many people are so hostile to the US in the region is because of the US's staunch support of Israel.

 

It's basic geopolitics.

Ah okay. I think I can sleep a little better tonight knowing this. Thanks or the info! :)

Just like you, I am in support of Netanyahu.

Because everything the Israeli's do has an effect on US-Middle East relations. Part of the reason so many people are so hostile to the US in the region is because of the US's staunch support of Israel.

 

It's basic geopolitics.

I don't get why people like to blame the US for this. It's pretty much the Western world's fault, if one's belief is against Israel. The US didn't create Israel, the UN created it. If anything, I applaud the US for sticking by them. Not all, but some countries that voted for an Independent Israel back in the late 40s have abandoned her like a bastard child. 

I don't get why people like to blame the US for this. It's pretty much the Western world's fault, if one's belief is against Israel. The US didn't create Israel, the UN created it. If anything, I applaud the US for sticking by them. Not all, but some countries that voted for an Independent Israel back in the late 40s have abandoned her like a bastard child. 

I don't blame the US for starting the conflict, but I do take issue with this policy of defending whatever Israel does no matter what. To me, the notion of standing by another country regardless of that country's behavior is highly problematic. 

 

I agree that taking part in creating Israel and then dropping them is an issue, but as I (and George Washington) feel, entangling foreign alliances are a problem.

I don't blame the US for starting the conflict, but I do take issue with this policy of defending whatever Israel does no matter what. To me, the notion of standing by another country regardless of that country's behavior is highly problematic. 

 

I agree that taking part in creating Israel and then dropping them is an issue, but as I (and George Washington) feel, entangling foreign alliances are a problem.

I thought George Washington believed in isolationism? That's what the US should do. Just recall all troops and close its borders.

I thought George Washington believed in isolationism? That's what the US should do. Just recall all troops and close its borders.

To the best of my knowledge, most founding fathers would have been what I call non-interventionists, not isolationists. It's the same crap conservatives tried to apply to Ron Paul. Just because you don't want to become entangled in the affairs of other nations doesn't make you an isolationist. Trade and diplomatic relations are always a good thing.

To the best of my knowledge, most founding fathers would have been what I call non-interventionists, not isolationists. It's the same crap conservatives tried to apply to Ron Paul. Just because you don't want to become entangled in the affairs of other nations doesn't make you an isolationist. Trade and diplomatic relations are always a good thing.

Trade and diplomatic relations are sometimes a good thing. Small correction there, but otherwise almost correct! Last time the US tried to remain isolated, we were dragged into involvement. (i.e WW1, WW2).

I don't blame the US for starting the conflict, but I do take issue with this policy of defending whatever Israel does no matter what. To me, the notion of standing by another country regardless of that country's behavior is highly problematic. 

 

I agree that taking part in creating Israel and then dropping them is an issue, but as I (and George Washington) feel, entangling foreign alliances are a problem.

If we drop Israel, we'd be starting another holocaust. In a way, I feel like Israel is getting shafted by us and the UN/NATO by being dropped into their situation, but they're fighting for survival right now. If the rest of the ME senses that we (or any other western country with power) won't support Israel, they'd declare war so fast and steamroll Israel. We don't need another 6 million Jews killed.

If we drop Israel, we'd be starting another holocaust. In a way, I feel like Israel is getting shafted by us and the UN/NATO by being dropped into their situation, but they're fighting for survival right now. If the rest of the ME senses that we (or any other western country with power) won't support Israel, they'd declare war so fast and steamroll Israel. We don't need another 6 million Jews killed.

I don't buy this. I think Israel is more than capable of defending themselves without big brother America there to protect them. Israel's military is far superior to that of any of it's neighbors, and any of the regional powers that actually have capable military forces would never attack Israel (Turkey, Saudi Arabia). Iran might but I doubt it. If anything, Israel would go after them. Iran is occupied with fighting IS anyway. 

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If we drop Israel, we'd be starting another holocaust. In a way, I feel like Israel is getting shafted by us and the UN/NATO by being dropped into their situation, but they're fighting for survival right now. If the rest of the ME senses that we (or any other western country with power) won't support Israel, they'd declare war so fast and steamroll Israel. We don't need another 6 million Jews killed.

I don't know, the IDF is a pretty tough force, as well as Jewish people as a whole.

I don't know, the IDF is a pretty tough force, as well as Jewish people as a whole.

And also looking at the situation from a more mental perspective than a political one, the Jews clearly aren't willing to become victims of another genocide. They've proven that they're willing to do what's necessary to ensure their immediate safety and tranquility, with or without the aid of the United States.

I don't know, the IDF is a pretty tough force, as well as Jewish people as a whole.

And also looking at the situation from a more mental perspective than a political one, the Jews clearly aren't willing to become victims of another genocide. They've proven that they're willing to do what's necessary to ensure their immediate safety and tranquility, with or without the aid of the United States.

And also looking at the situation from a more mental perspective than a political one, the Jews clearly aren't willing to become victims of another genocide. They've proven that they're willing to do what's necessary to ensure their immediate safety and tranquility, with or without the aid of the United States.

I stand by Israel. And I'm sure many other Americans do as well. :)

 

I don't buy this. I think Israel is more than capable of defending themselves without big brother America there to protect them. Israel's military is far superior to that of any of it's neighbors, and any of the regional powers that actually have capable military forces would never attack Israel (Turkey, Saudi Arabia). Iran might but I doubt it. If anything, Israel would go after them. Iran is occupied with fighting IS anyway. 

But they have a very small army. Advanced as it may be, they'd be up against a force 10x as big as they are. In the 50s, pretty much all of the ME declared war on Israel. They'd do it again if it weren't for fear of repercussions from the West. Israel doesn't really have an offensive army. All of their technology and military doctrine is focused on defense. To the Muslim people we bitchslapped them back from land that was there's and said "It's no longer yours". Turkey and the Saudi's would attack if there wasn't fear of sanctions or repercussions from the West. It's, in a way, similar to the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

 

And also looking at the situation from a more mental perspective than a political one, the Jews clearly aren't willing to become victims of another genocide. They've proven that they're willing to do what's necessary to ensure their immediate safety and tranquility, with or without the aid of the United States.

 

Nothing against the Jewish people but they've really done nothing in modern history. They're a peaceful people that keep getting displaced and booted out from their home (and are back again, depending on whether or not you believe biblical history). Without the UN, they'd still be scattered and displaced around Europe and the US.

But they have a very small army. Advanced as it may be, they'd be up against a force 10x as big as they are. In the 50s, pretty much all of the ME declared war on Israel. They'd do it again if it weren't for fear of repercussions from the West. Israel doesn't really have an offensive army. All of their technology and military doctrine is focused on defense. To the Muslim people we bitchslapped them back from land that was there's and said "It's no longer yours". Turkey and the Saudi's would attack if there wasn't fear of sanctions or repercussions from the West. It's, in a way, similar to the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

 

Nothing against the Jewish people but they've really done nothing in modern history. They're a peaceful people that keep getting displaced and booted out from their home (and are back again, depending on whether or not you believe biblical history). Without the UN, they'd still be scattered and displaced around Europe and the US.

 

First, Israel has the money and the technology to raise an army and protect themselves quite well against defenders just like any western country, I see no need to help them whatsoever in any situation. Each one their own problem.

 

Second, I'll just drop this:

 

 

Then, I read "peaceful people that keep getting displaced and booted out of their home". Well, nope, I'm sorry but you're wrong on this one. If anything, Israel broke all the treaties they signed back at the time and expanded their territory regardless of the native people, kicking them out and enclosing them in ghettos. I agree we had to give them lands to avoid a new holocaust after WWII, but the way they expanded without limits to that point is just wrong on many (if not every) level. Just for that, I wouldn't even raise an finger to help them if indeed their army forces weren't enough in case of an invasion.

 

As a conclusion, Israel elections shouldn't matter -at all-. We give them way too much importance. They are a people like another. They are worth just as much as people in Africa, Asia, Europe or America. Do people care about elections of those countries? I doubt so, why would Israel get any more attention?