But they have a very small army. Advanced as it may be, they'd be up against a force 10x as big as they are. In the 50s, pretty much all of the ME declared war on Israel. They'd do it again if it weren't for fear of repercussions from the West. Israel doesn't really have an offensive army. All of their technology and military doctrine is focused on defense. To the Muslim people we bitchslapped them back from land that was there's and said "It's no longer yours". Turkey and the Saudi's would attack if there wasn't fear of sanctions or repercussions from the West. It's, in a way, similar to the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

 

Nothing against the Jewish people but they've really done nothing in modern history. They're a peaceful people that keep getting displaced and booted out from their home (and are back again, depending on whether or not you believe biblical history). Without the UN, they'd still be scattered and displaced around Europe and the US.

Turkey is a member of NATO and the US is allied with the Saudis. Neither of them would ever attack Israel.

But they have a very small army. Advanced as it may be, they'd be up against a force 10x as big as they are. In the 50s, pretty much all of the ME declared war on Israel. They'd do it again if it weren't for fear of repercussions from the West. Israel doesn't really have an offensive army. All of their technology and military doctrine is focused on defense.

Well, yeah. Israel's neighbors declared war on it several times. You know what those wars all had in common? Israel's neighbors lost. Their military actually isn't particularly defensive (not that that's a bad thing if someone tries to invade you); their doctrine is (or at least has been) very heavy on preemptive strikes to cripple their opponents' military. Israel did not have direct military support from any other country during those wars.

Since then, the governments around Israel have largely collapsed recently, and Israel has developed nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are historically a fairly powerful deterrent. Israel is safe from being invaded and conquered -- terrorism is a threat, but it's hard to seriously maintain that Israel would lose a conventional war in the area.

On the subject of "why make a thread:" I was unaware that the title of this subforum was "American Politics, Current Events, and Society."

First, Israel has the money and the technology to raise an army and protect themselves quite well against defenders just like any western country, I see no need to help them whatsoever in any situation. Each one their own problem.

 

Second, I'll just drop this:

 

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Then, I read "peaceful people that keep getting displaced and booted out of their home". Well, nope, I'm sorry but you're wrong on this one. If anything, Israel broke all the treaties they signed back at the time and expanded their territory regardless of the native people, kicking them out and enclosing them in ghettos. I agree we had to give them lands to avoid a new holocaust after WWII, but the way they expanded without limits to that point is just wrong on many (if not every) level. Just for that, I wouldn't even raise an finger to help them if indeed their army forces weren't enough in case of an invasion.

 

As a conclusion, Israel elections shouldn't matter -at all-. We give them way too much importance. They are a people like another. They are worth just as much as people in Africa, Asia, Europe or America. Do people care about elections of those countries? I doubt so, why would Israel get any more attention?

 

I believe you and I had this debate before that ended in a stalemate. I believe Israel received a shit deal. They were FORCED on this piece of land and were immediately attacked by pretty much every country. They defended themselves and land expansion was a "spoils of war". Palestine received a "sort of independence" just at the same time Israel was created from the Palestine Mandate of the British Empire. Basically dropping 2 dogs in a cage and letting them fight. Again, a shit deal.

Turkey is a member of NATO and the US is allied with the Saudis. Neither of them would ever attack Israel.

Doesn't mean too much when you have Russia and Ukraine fighting. They're both members of the UN.

Our relationship with the Saudi's has been declining ever since we stopped depending on them for oil. Neither of them have their hands tied if they wanted to attack Israel.

 

Well, yeah. Israel's neighbors declared war on it several times. You know what those wars all had in common? Israel's neighbors lost. Their military actually isn't particularly defensive (not that that's a bad thing if someone tries to invade you); their doctrine is (or at least has been) very heavy on preemptive strikes to cripple their opponents' military. Israel did not have direct military support from any other country during those wars.

Since then, the governments around Israel have largely collapsed recently, and Israel has developed nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are historically a fairly powerful deterrent. Israel is safe from being invaded and conquered -- terrorism is a threat, but it's hard to seriously maintain that Israel would lose a conventional war in the area.

On the subject of "why make a thread:" I was unaware that the title of this subforum was "American Politics, Current Events, and Society."

I mean defensive as in not blitzing a country to take it over. But during those war, Israel did in fact receive supplies from the UN (Bombers, Half-tracks, light tanks,etc) when neither of their enemies had any modern military equipment. But with Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Iran having a modern, respectable albeit small military force, plus the terrorist forces, it is conceivable that they could blitz Israel and overwhelm them. Unfortunately, Israel is surrounded by potential enemies. While yes a nuclear bomb is a deterrent only against total war annihilation. Potential enemies may just throw random demands out that would end up ending the war. Using nuclear weapons would only be used if one side was faced with literal complete annihilation. Once one nuke goes off, the end is near.  

Hey so, what about the ELECTIONS? And to be quite honest, we have always been the victim in history, it's hard

It would be easier to discus the elections if you could provide us with some basic information regarding the candidates. I read news about Israel, but don't know their political world too good. The only well-known name is Netanyahu and I think he's good. 

Hey so, what about the ELECTIONS? And to be quite honest, we have always been the victim in history, it's hard

Exactly the kind of reply that pushes me even more to not raise a finger if you and your people needed something. Always victimizing yourselves that it becomes ridiculous. Yeah you've been mistreated during WWII. Just like handicaped people, gay people, resistant people, and a lot of other people. Do they still complain after all this time? No, they moved on. Stop calling yourselves a victim, it's really, -really- tiring over time.

 

As for the elections, as Hastlings stated, people wishing to debate it would need more info about it.

Well, yeah. Israel's neighbors declared war on it several times. You know what those wars all had in common? Israel's neighbors lost. Their military actually isn't particularly defensive (not that that's a bad thing if someone tries to invade you); their doctrine is (or at least has been) very heavy on preemptive strikes to cripple their opponents' military. Israel did not have direct military support from any other country during those wars.Since then, the governments around Israel have largely collapsed recently, and Israel has developed nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are historically a fairly powerful deterrent. Israel is safe from being invaded and conquered -- terrorism is a threat, but it's hard to seriously maintain that Israel would lose a conventional war in the area.On the subject of "why make a thread:" I was unaware that the title of this subforum was "American Politics, Current Events, and Society."

 

I did not know this either. I had no clue that American politics actually have a significant impact on the world. Thanks for the heads up, good man.

 

Exactly the kind of reply that pushes me even more to not raise a finger if you and your people needed something. Always victimizing yourselves that it becomes ridiculous. Yeah you've been mistreated during WWII. Just like handicaped people, gay people, resistant people, and a lot of other people. Do they still complain after all this time? No, they moved on. Stop calling yourselves a victim, it's really, -really- tiring over time.

 

As for the elections, as Hastlings stated, people wishing to debate it would need more info about it.

I somewhat agree with this. Throughout history, Jewish people have always been prosecuted. It's understandable that the Jewish community constantly feels victimized, but it does become quite annoying when they consistently use that as an excuse for their actions. Though absolute peace in the Israeli area just doesn't seem realistic, to be honest.