First let me start off by saying that since it seems that, yet again, the US is going to be involved in the Middle East for a while because of decisions made my somebody who forgets he works for the people not the other way around. With that being said, I prefer to be educated about our enemy so I have a genuine reason to hate and despise them, not just mindlessly hate them like some media outlets want us to do. 

 

 

This video is a documentary about the Islamic Militants and shows their warped ideology and the hold they have over the region. It is an inside view on the group. There is nothing graphic although there is one scene that cuts away a second before an execution. However this is obviously disturbing subject matter, so please be smart about viewing this and know your limits.

 

I post this for those that would want to learn about their psychology and ideology (albeit warped). I'm not advocating anything, this is purely for informative purposes. Don't start posting racist or hateful comments. Keep it civilized.

 

 

I can’t be civilized on a bunch of twisted pshycopaths who behead men, women and children. With their actions they have proven to be fucking subhumans which should be eradicated from the face of the Earth.

I can’t be civilized on a bunch of twisted pshycopaths who behead men, women and children. With their actions they have proven to be fucking subhumans which should be eradicated from the face of the Earth.

 

You said it.

At times, I feel the urge to lash out at our ancestors who created religions. Its no different than racism. Granted the people back then did not have much to do like surfing the internet or watching TV or even the hectic jobs that we now have, so a bunch of people maybe got together, thought of a small game, picked up some famous novel and converted it to "holy book" and named the game 'Religion' to avoid people eventually getting bored and resorting to breeding like rabbits. Cut to today, maniacs blowing the teachings of that holy book out of proportion, twisting and spicing them up as per their liking and brainwashing others to push their agenda of "peace and prosperity" forward while trying to hide the truth that all they really want inside is to see and enjoy destruction and mindless slaughters.

 

The world would have been a quieter and more peaceful place WITHOUT the idea of God.

Hey hey hey, extremism is bad. Religion is not.

Major religious are founded on extremist principles, though.

It all comes down to how you interpret the religion.

Would you say that the moderate Muslims just minding their buissnes deserve to be eradicated?

Me I'm a atheist so I really don't care about religion or stuff like that, but man I'm starting to realize the horrible conditions most civilians in the Middle East go through, it's sad. I hope that all this violence in the middle east will stop one day.

Edited August 28, 201411 yr by Chester199

Well, as long as they don't start beheading people and applying sharia because God tells them to do so, no. However I wouldn't mind eradicating their religion and replace it with a more critical thinking.

 

I don't either understand the interpretation thing that always comes up when debating about religions. You are supposed to follow the original principles of your religion, not your own interpretation of them.

Actually, you are wrong. Most of those principles are vague enough to be left for interpretation - thats why there are so many splinter groups, sects and so on.

I do not consider myself a religious person, but I do belive that something initiated the whole process of forming life - that something caused Big Bang and then left it running without interfering with it.

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I don't either understand the interpretation thing that always comes up when debating about religions. You are supposed to follow the original principles of your religion, not your own interpretation of them.

Three issues with that.

The first is that there is literally no such thing as following "original principles without interpretation". What people think of as "original principles" is itself an interpretation. Sometimes individuals aren't expected to create their own interpretations (this is my understanding, which is *not* backed up by any expertise and could be very very wrong for all I know, of Roman Catholicism: the centralized Church does interpretation), but realize that "follow plain text" is an interpretation just like any other, and tends to be an absurd interpretation that few people follow.

The second point, related to that, is that your statement is entirely false for literally every religion I'm aware of. *All* of them have some way in which commands are interpreted; the notion that you should follow the literal text is an extremely radical position, far outside the mainstream. In Judaism, the idea of human interpretation is so strong that there is a story in the Talmud in which there's an argument, with one rabbi against a group of them about what rules apply in a certain instance. After miracles on request by the one rabbi (such as getting a tree to walk across a garden) don't convince anyone ("We don't learn law from trees"), God actually comes down and says "This one rabbi is right, and the rest of you are wrong". The reply is that it's no longer for God to determine; he gave humans the Torah, but humans should interpret and apply it themselves, and God's now out of the loop (so prophets and miracles no longer matter) (this is *rabbinic* Judaism, which has been the main form of Judaism since the 500s AD or so; if someone says "Judaism" and isn't talking about the evolution of the religion, this is certainly what they mean). So there's one religion where your idea of how religion works is the exact opposite of what is the case. I don't know if other religions are as much about interpretations as Judaism is (where study and interpretation of the Torah is considered pretty much the best thing you can do), but none that I know about have, as a mainstream view, "read this holy book without any form of interpretation".

Third, if you are not yourself a member of a religion and have not studied it, you really shouldn't be telling people who actually practice that religion how it is supposed to work.

I want to believe.

From similar documentaries I've watched a few years ago, I belive extremist Islam comes from the belief, that even Christianity shares, that "all non believers will die/perish/suffer/go to hell/etc." they've twisted that into justifying these horrible acts they perform. I believe all fundamental extremist Islam came from that way back in the 80s(?). The sad thing is, the moderate Muslim groups and tribes and villages are disappearing. Soon radical Islam will be the only Islam.

What bothers me is when 5 year old kids say they want to blow themselves up for the cause. That disturbed me greatly, and shows the F'd up mindset of these groups.

But always thank 'Murica for that. We gave them weapons and training and leadership during the Cold war originally. These groups all originated from that.

At times, I feel the urge to lash out at our ancestors who created religions. Its no different than racism. Granted the people back then did not have much to do like surfing the internet or watching TV or even the hectic jobs that we now have, so a bunch of people maybe got together, thought of a small game, picked up some famous novel and converted it to "holy book" and named the game 'Religion' to avoid people eventually getting bored and resorting to breeding like rabbits. Cut to today, maniacs blowing the teachings of that holy book out of proportion, twisting and spicing them up as per their liking and brainwashing others to push their agenda of "peace and prosperity" forward while trying to hide the truth that all they really want inside is to see and enjoy destruction and mindless slaughters.

 

The world would have been a quieter and more peaceful place WITHOUT the idea of God.

 

 

Major religious are founded on extremist principles, though.

Wow, both of you need to take a World Religions class if you go to college. What you guys both said about religion is completely wrong and I'm not even sure where someone gets ideas like those. I am by no means a religious man but I know that what you guys said is completely wrong and such a misguided view on religion. So like I said, if you guys ever go to college I encourage you to take a World Religion class and become educated on religions before making such ridiculous claims.

I do not consider myself a religious person, but I do belive that something initiated the whole process of forming life - that something caused Big Bang and then left it running without interfering with it.

 

Oh, and that justifies God? Its just a superstitious lie being passed on from old generations to new generations just like the "universal truth" that was coined by some illiterate people of Galileo's times that the earth is the center of the universe and that sun and other planets revolve around it, and that God created earth in mere six days, and that earth is the only planet with life and that all life is so complicated that it cannot just occur without a guiding hand and that evolution is just a big fat lie and that the world is just 4000 years old, etcetra, etcetra... Media, at least the newspapers, have been around since the 17th century and if "God" were to appear in any part of the world, the news would have been spread like wildfire through your neighborhood too regardless of where on earth you live. I just don't feel like supporting the idea that "God who created this world with his bare hands" abandoned it just like that, according to some people, mainly because humanity has gone FUBAR? Wow, thats the most retarded logic I've ever come across now. I could debate on it all day long but thats for another thread.

 

Wow, both of you need to take a World Religions class if you go to college. What you guys both said about religion is completely wrong and I'm not even sure where someone gets ideas like those. I am by no means a religious man but I know that what you guys said is completely wrong and such a misguided view on religion. So like I said, if you guys ever go to college I encourage you to take a World Religion class and become educated on religions before making such ridiculous claims.

Just because you think and say so? Er... I'll pass. And as far as "I am by no means a religious man" is concerned, something tells me that you are. Just writing it out loud on a public forum and then contradicting your statement immediately thereafter just doesn't cut it. Also, I don't need to hear about what I should do with my life from someone. I'm a philosopher and unlike many others, I see, I observe, and then I conclude rather than following a fan-fiction like a sheep, which was written by someone centuries ago and has no credible evidence of supporting any of its claims even to this date.

 

You guys should seriously watch Paul (2011), even if it was intentionally kept lighthearted to avoid public outbursts. 

Edited August 29, 201411 yr by Troy

Oh, and that justifies God? Its just a superstitious lie being passed on from old generations to new generations just like the "universal truth" that was coined by some illiterate people of Galileo's times that the earth is the center of the universe and that sun and other planets revolve around it, and that God created earth in mere six days, and that earth is the only planet with life and that all life is so complicated that it cannot just occur without a guiding hand and that evolution is just a big fat lie and that the world is just 4000 years old, etcetra, etcetra... Media, at least the newspapers, have been around since the 17th century and if "God" were to appear in any part of the world, the news would have been spread like wildfire through your neighborhood too regardless of where on earth you live. I just don't feel like supporting the idea that "God who created this world with his bare hands" abandoned it just like that, according to some people, mainly because humanity has gone FUBAR? Wow, thats the most retarded logic I've ever come across now. I could debate on it all day long but thats for another thread.

 

Did I say it justifies anything? I don't quite follow your line of reasoning. Did I say "God" (I tried to avoid using this word, but very well) abandoned us? It is my personal belief that something had to initiate Big Bang, because nothing happens without a reason (ex. a piece of paper goes up in flames when touched by a flaming match). Also, the burden of proof is on you. Can you prove that there is no God?

 

(That ad hominem is a really cute cherry on top btw.)

 

I just don't feel like supporting the idea that "God who created this world with his bare hands" abandoned it just like that, according to some people, mainly because humanity has gone FUBAR? Wow, thats the most retarded logic I've ever come across now. I could debate on it all day long but thats for another thread.

 

It is also my personal belief that the only thing that was caused by "God" was the Big Bang, and everything else was untouched.

 

 

Media, at least the newspapers, have been around since the 17th century and if "God" were to appear in any part of the world, the news would have been spread like wildfire through your neighborhood too regardless of where on earth you live.

 

How is that connected to anything I said?

 

and that earth is the only planet with life and that all life is so complicated that it cannot just occur without a guiding hand

Well, as far as I (and the general public) are concerned, there has not been any sings of other life so far. I assume you have some sort of proof for this claim?

 

Just because you think and say so? Er... I'll pass. And as far as "I am by no means a religious man" is concerned, something tells me that you are. Just writing it out loud on a public forum and then contradicting your statement immediately thereafter just doesn't cut it. Also, I don't need to hear about what I should do with my life from someone. I'm a philosopher and unlike many others, I see, I observe, and then I conclude rather than following a fan-fiction like a sheep, which was written by someone centuries ago and has no credible evidence of supporting any of its claims even to this date.

 

You guys should seriously watch Paul (2011), even if it was intentionally kept lighthearted to avoid public outbursts.

As a philosopher, don't you think that it is worthy to objectively educate yourself on the subject? And how was that contradicted? I'd rather say there is a contradiction in your statement. You say that you don't need to hear what to do with your life, and then you suggest that we should follow your advice instead?

Just because you think and say so? Er... I'll pass. And as far as "I am by no means a religious man" is concerned, something tells me that you are. Just writing it out loud on a public forum and then contradicting your statement immediately thereafter just doesn't cut it. Also, I don't need to hear about what I should do with my life from someone. I'm a philosopher and unlike many others, I see, I observe, and then I conclude rather than following a fan-fiction like a sheep, which was written by someone centuries ago and has no credible evidence of supporting any of its claims even to this date.

LOL, you don't even know me. I know I'm not a religious person. I have no affiliation with any churches, I don't pray, I don't follow any big traditions that churches usually follow. What statement am I contradicting? All I said was you should become more educated on religions before you start talking about them. It is no different than any other subject, if I want to talk about history shouldn't I be educated on what I'm talking about before I start spewing random shit out? So why is it any different than religion? Just because you take a World Religion class doesn't automatically mean you are a religious person, it just means you are trying to expand your knowledge on a topic. I had to take English classes in college too does that make me an English teacher? I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do with their life, just making a suggestion that before you start saying such biased and unsupported claims you should become more educated in the topic, I would say that about any topic, not just religion.

Did I say it justifies anything? I don't quite follow your line of reasoning. Did I say "God" (I tried to avoid using this word, but very well) abandoned us? It is my personal belief that something had to initiate Big Bang, because nothing happens without a reason (ex. a piece of paper goes up in flames when touched by a flaming match). Also, the burden of proof is on you. Can you prove that there is no God?

 

(That ad hominem is a really cute cherry on top btw.)

 

 

It is also my personal belief that the only thing that was caused by "God" was the Big Bang, and everything else was untouched.

 

 

 

How is that connected to anything I said?

No, but said "you are wrong". So there's gotta be something more "right" on your mind then? And I assumed it was the typical theist reasoning.

 

I'm sorry, then what is it that you're implying here, then? You say the Big Bang was created by the God and then..? Could you provide me a single logical explanation for your theory?

 

(Oh and you can't play that ad hominem card you know? Go through your own post before throwing words like that around)

 

Also, the burden of proof is on you. Can you prove that there is no God?

I laughed my head off. I get that a lot. No, really. We could play this game all day long.

 

Well, as far as I (and the general public) are concerned, there has not been any sings of other life so far. I assume you have some sort of proof for this claim?

No, I do not. Never did I claim that there is. But to say that there is not, would be a foolish thing to say. There was nothing never special about life on earth. There are also several witnesses of the ET aircrafts around the world as well as of ET aircraft crashes, and the scary aftermath of the witnesses' fates. Sure, you could dismiss it as a hoax, but if you're willing to open your eyes about this, there is more than substantial evidence and witnesses, which ironically, cannot be said be said in the God's case. Of course what you want to believe is your call; I don't like to make shit up as I go like most folks here.

 

As a philosopher, don't you think that it is worthy to objectively educate yourself on the subject? And how was that contradicted? I'd rather say there is a contradiction in your statement. You say that you don't need to hear what to do with your life, and then you suggest that we should follow your advice instead?

I do not really feel the need to, considering the circumstances and the participants right now, so no thank you very much. Did you actually read his post, especially the line: "I am by no means a religious man but I know that what you guys said is completely wrong". Well if you're not a theist either, how do you think that I am wrong and the religious stuff in the book is correct? I have tackled this question from you earlier in the post too.

As for your theory of God creating the Big Bang, and then leaving it be, would you mind explaining what lead you to believe that? I don't really mind listening to others' theories. Scientifically, there is no answer to what was there before Big Bang which actually exploded, is it a universe or a multiverse, what is our universe expanding into, what is beyond the universe/multiverse, and many other questions. Like I said, I make my own theories based on evidence, and what feels the most credible explanation. You seem to lack that talent. And you're not the only one I've come across who just believes in God just like that. Again, NO ad hominem.

No, but said "you are wrong". So there's gotta be something more "right" on your mind then? And I assumed it was the typical theist reasoning.

 

Yes, I said that strike was wrong because he made an incorrect assumption. I did not question his beliefs. Read cp702's post, he explained the fault in strike's reasoning better than me.

 

I'm sorry, then what is it that you're implying here, then? You say the Big Bang was created by the God and then..? Could you provide me a single logical explanation for your theory?

And that's it. I'd assume that "God" watches us - similar to how we watch over various simulations.

(Oh and you can't play that ad hominem card you know? Go through your own post before throwing words like that around)

I am sure that I, in contrast to you, have not committed this fallacy in any of my posts in this thread.

I laughed my head off. I get that a lot. No, really. We could play this game all day long.

Well, you started it.

No, I do not. Never did I claim that there is. But to say that there is not, would be a foolish thing to say. There was nothing never special about life on earth. There are also several witnesses of the ET aircrafts around the world as well as of ET aircraft crashes, and the scary aftermath of the witnesses' fates. Sure, you could dismiss it as a hoax, but if you're willing to open your eyes about this, there is more than substantial evidence and witnesses, which ironically, cannot be said be said in the God's case. Of course what you want to believe is your call; I don't like to make shit up as I go like most folks here.

It goes the other way - one could say that miracles, visions etc. are proof of God's existence, and that claims that aliens exist are "made up shit".

I do not really feel the need to, considering the circumstances and the participants right now, so no thank you very much. Did you actually read his post, especially the line: "I am by no means a religious man but I know that what you guys said is completely wrong". Well if you're not a theist either, how do you think that I am wrong and the religious stuff in the book is correct? I have tackled this question from you earlier in the post too.

Because it's common sense to not partake in discussion about subject one doesn't know about?

I am not saying that your beliefs are wrong, I just want to discuss the matter. I have also never said that I agree with "the book" (I assume you mean Bible, and not the Torah, Quaran or other religious texts). I have my own set of believes that I think are correct, and so do you. If you can convince me that you are right, then I will accept it. That is the point of discussing stuff.

As for your theory of God creating the Big Bang, and then leaving it be, would you mind explaining what lead you to believe that? I don't really mind listening to others' theories. Scientifically, there is no answer to what was there before Big Bang which actually exploded, is it a universe or a multiverse, what is our universe expanding into, what is beyond the universe/multiverse, and many other questions. Like I said, I make my own theories based on evidence, and what feels the most credible explanation. You seem to lack that talent. And you're not the only one I've come across who just believes in God just like that. Again, NO ad hominem.

You said it your self. There is no answer to what caused Big Bang, and I simply do not believe that it just happened without a reason, therefore I believe that something had to cause it.

Of course, until you or somebody else can prove that I am wrong, my explanation is as valid as every other one.

Also, what do you do when there is no evidence? Philosophers of old had their own theories as to how the world works, because they did not have access to today's technology. Today, we still can't prove either the existence or non-existence of God, or any other deity, therefore, until we find some sort of conclusive evidence, everybody is right and wrong at the same time.

you know, speaking of the middle east i heard women in afganaisthan aren't allowed to go or walk anywhere, unless they have a male with them, is that true?