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Riots in St. Louis

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Here's some new facts coming out. I wouldn't call the site completely unbiased, but facts are facts.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

And I was waiting for you to post... Have you read some of the new facts coming out of the investigation? There is now a lot of support building for the officer. Witnesses are now corroborating the officers story. Medical evidence is confirming his story.

Personally from the Video I've seen of the shooting scene after the actual shooting it does not look like Officer wilson is in any pain which im 10000% sure an orbital fracture would hurt like **** hes seen pushing people away from the scene and talking to another police offcer in the middle of the road rather angrily im sure you all have seen it by now.. where as if i was that officer and suffered a fracture to my face i would PROBABLY call for an ambulance pretty damn quickly that's just my cents on that. Secondly about the Medical Evidence

im assuming by saying its confirming the officers story you're saying that the medical evidence showed that Mike brown was facing the cop. However i watched an interview yesterday of the Medical assistant that helped the coroner in his report and he told the news station that because Brown was not wearing a long sleeve Shirt, they could not distinguish whether or not the gunshots to his arm were form the Front or the Back, they also mentioned that the Last 2 Shots to Brown were to the Head and 1 Bullet grazed his Arm..

Corroborating with some of the witness testimony i've heard  the witness testimony i heard on CNN was that the officer was in his car trying to pull Mike brown closer to his car, Brown being a bigger dude Wilson wasn't Successful so Brown started running and the officer got out of his vehicle and shot at brown after that started brown stopped and turned around that's when he was shot dead

according to that  to me its a believable story i could see the suspect doing that and i could see the cop doing that as well..  

 

My only thing about this is, if it wasn't a cop who shot this kid, and it was just some random hoodlum, and there was 20+ people who say they saw "this guy" shoot the kid wouldn't there be someone in jail by now?  I think the cop should be charged and give him his days in court, if hes Innocent, hes Innocent, if he's guilty then hes guilty.  Just from what I've seen it doesn't look to good for the Officer but everyone has their own opinions on this    im sure you guys can take solice in the fact that im not saying we're in Nazi 2.0 now lmao

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  • Burn down your neighborhood. That will prove your point.

  • Not to sound racist or anything, but it was black unarmed teenager shot by a white cop, in a black neighborhood. The media is eating this up. If you watch news Interviews, they ask a black resident wh

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    As a Jew, and a descendant of people who fled Germany and others who survived the camps, I'm shocked that you fail to understand the intricacies of what really happened in World War 2. What we are see

nazi germany 2.0 slowly happening right before our eyes really sad to see all the kool aid drinkers siding with the criminal police attacking unarmed civilians with there aggressive tactics and now the national guard getting involved, black panthers aiding the police and taking over the fire department ....divide and conquer.......you better damn well hope this doesn't come to a town near you because most of the police wont be very friendly, what some people here don't seem to understand is that some if not all the rioters are NOT with the protesters

 

I assume you only listen to the word of that lunatic cult leader Alex Jones for news. I hate to break it to you but the rioters have instigated every action the police have taken. Throwing bottles, bricks, and Molotov Cocktails mixed with gunfire is considered a peaceful protest now? How would you like the police to react, handing out candy and hugs to everyone? 

 

Autopsy and witness statements back up the story of the Officer Darren Wilson. Even if it was a bad shoot, which I believe it was a good shoot, what would justify ransacking businesses that aren't even in the town you have a gripe with? 

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I assume you only listen to the word of that lunatic cult leader Alex Jones for news. I hate to break it to you but the rioters have instigated every action the police have taken. Throwing bottles, bricks, and Molotov Cocktails mixed with gunfire is considered a peaceful protest now? How would you like the police to react, handing out candy and hugs to everyone? 

 

Autopsy and witness statements back up the story of the Officer Darren Wilson. Even if it was a bad shoot, which I believe it was a good shoot, what would justify ransacking businesses that aren't even in the town you have a gripe with? 

see i disagree on the "good shoot" part but completely agree that this does not justify rioting however from what i've heard on the local news there, talking to ferguson residents the racial tensions there have been a problem for the last 20 years still there's No Reason to be Looting, Shooting, and Setting businesses on Fire. I've heard a lot of the protestors in ferguson say they are from chicago and im like what the fuck dude go back home St Louis doesn't want anything to do with your warzone of a city

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Another shooting in St. Louis. Police shot a 23 year old black male carrying a knife who just robbed a convenience store, and protesters are descending on it.

 

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/19/officer-involved-shooting-in-north-st-louis-2/

 

 

Personally from the Video I've seen of the shooting scene after the actual shooting it does not look like Officer wilson is in any pain which im 10000% sure an orbital fracture would hurt like **** hes seen pushing people away from the scene and talking to another police offcer in the middle of the road rather angrily im sure you all have seen it by now.. where as if i was that officer and suffered a fracture to my face i would PROBABLY call for an ambulance pretty damn quickly that's just my cents on that. Secondly about the Medical Evidence

im assuming by saying its confirming the officers story you're saying that the medical evidence showed that Mike brown was facing the cop. However i watched an interview yesterday of the Medical assistant that helped the coroner in his report and he told the news station that because Brown was not wearing a long sleeve Shirt, they could not distinguish whether or not the gunshots to his arm were form the Front or the Back, they also mentioned that the Last 2 Shots to Brown were to the Head and 1 Bullet grazed his Arm..

Corroborating with some of the witness testimony i've heard  the witness testimony i heard on CNN was that the officer was in his car trying to pull Mike brown closer to his car, Brown being a bigger dude Wilson wasn't Successful so Brown started running and the officer got out of his vehicle and shot at brown after that started brown stopped and turned around that's when he was shot dead

according to that  to me its a believable story i could see the suspect doing that and i could see the cop doing that as well..  

 

My only thing about this is, if it wasn't a cop who shot this kid, and it was just some random hoodlum, and there was 20+ people who say they saw "this guy" shoot the kid wouldn't there be someone in jail by now?  I think the cop should be charged and give him his days in court, if hes Innocent, hes Innocent, if he's guilty then hes guilty.  Just from what I've seen it doesn't look to good for the Officer but everyone has their own opinions on this    im sure you guys can take solice in the fact that im not saying we're in Nazi 2.0 now lmao

The problem is that many of the witnesses who claim to have seen it and came out publicly claim that Brown was shot in the back and then turned around. And I have a major problem with trusting witnesses when the star witness just robbed a store with Brown.

 

Also, I doubt the cop in that video was Wilson, but I would like to see it anyways.

Sticks and stones may break bones, but 5.56 fragments on impact.

Personally from the Video I've seen of the shooting scene after the actual shooting it does not look like Officer wilson is in any pain which im 10000% sure an orbital fracture would hurt like **** hes seen pushing people away from the scene and talking to another police offcer in the middle of the road rather angrily im sure you all have seen it by now.. where as if i was that officer and suffered a fracture to my face i would PROBABLY call for an ambulance pretty damn quickly that's just my cents on that. Secondly about the Medical Evidence

im assuming by saying its confirming the officers story you're saying that the medical evidence showed that Mike brown was facing the cop. However i watched an interview yesterday of the Medical assistant that helped the coroner in his report and he told the news station that because Brown was not wearing a long sleeve Shirt, they could not distinguish whether or not the gunshots to his arm were form the Front or the Back, they also mentioned that the Last 2 Shots to Brown were to the Head and 1 Bullet grazed his Arm..

Corroborating with some of the witness testimony i've heard the witness testimony i heard on CNN was that the officer was in his car trying to pull Mike brown closer to his car, Brown being a bigger dude Wilson wasn't Successful so Brown started running and the officer got out of his vehicle and shot at brown after that started brown stopped and turned around that's when he was shot dead

according to that to me its a believable story i could see the suspect doing that and i could see the cop doing that as well..

My only thing about this is, if it wasn't a cop who shot this kid, and it was just some random hoodlum, and there was 20+ people who say they saw "this guy" shoot the kid wouldn't there be someone in jail by now? I think the cop should be charged and give him his days in court, if hes Innocent, hes Innocent, if he's guilty then hes guilty. Just from what I've seen it doesn't look to good for the Officer but everyone has their own opinions on this im sure you guys can take solice in the fact that im not saying we're in Nazi 2.0 now lmao

After a shooting your adrenaline is pumping like crazy, which is why you could conceivably brush off severe pain like that. That's why in the military during firefights, a soldier may be shot in a non-critical area, but not feel anything due to his adrenaline levels. That's just a theory I'm offering.

And by medical evidence, I was referring to the officer saying that he was attacked prior to the shooting, which would explain the fracture. There's still more investigating to to be done however.

In a personal note, the more we start doubting facts from experts that we are supposed to trust (MEs, federal investigators not connected to the event in question, etc) Then where does it stop? It opens up the floodgates for a plausible defense when the accused can just call in to question the "experts" findings. Like it or not we have to accept their findings unless there's definitive (beyond a shadow of doubt) proof that contradicts. Not because "The medical examiner is connected to the Ferguson PD, therfore they can't be trusted".

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Personally I think this entire situation has gotten wildly out of control.  The media keeps printing or writing things out of context that repeatedly make the police look bad.  Honestly I really want to know what people expect the police to do?  How do they think they should handle an all out riot when it erupts.  I agree during the day the protests have been largely peaceful but at night things have literally gone to hell.  How are police supposed to protect themselves and the innocent protesters without firing tear gas and rubber bullets especially when they're being attacked with glass bottles, molotov cocktails, and live ammunition from "brave" shooters who hide in the crowd like cowards.  

 

I don't know if the shooting was justified or not but I do not trust the eyewitnesses.  Before anyone draws conclusions on their credibility listen to the audio in the first part of this video:  

 

That is from a 10 clip recorded on a cell phone in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.  Unfortunately the poster realized that this conversation was in the video and has changed the full video's status to Private on YouTube.  After listening to this audio I have to side with the officer and believe that the eyewitnesses concocted their stories in order to place the blame on the police.  Honestly I wish the people in this town would realize the damage they are doing to their own community and start taking responsibility for their choices and actions.  

 

Furthermore if you want black youths to stop being "treated" like criminals than actually raise your children to know the difference between right and wrong... 

Personally from the Video I've seen of the shooting scene after the actual shooting it does not look like Officer wilson is in any pain which im 10000% sure an orbital fracture would hurt like **** hes seen pushing people away from the scene and talking to another police offcer in the middle of the road rather angrily im sure you all have seen it by now.. where as if i was that officer and suffered a fracture to my face i would PROBABLY call for an ambulance pretty damn quickly that's just my cents on that. Secondly about the Medical Evidence

im assuming by saying its confirming the officers story you're saying that the medical evidence showed that Mike brown was facing the cop. However i watched an interview yesterday of the Medical assistant that helped the coroner in his report and he told the news station that because Brown was not wearing a long sleeve Shirt, they could not distinguish whether or not the gunshots to his arm were form the Front or the Back, they also mentioned that the Last 2 Shots to Brown were to the Head and 1 Bullet grazed his Arm..

Corroborating with some of the witness testimony i've heard  the witness testimony i heard on CNN was that the officer was in his car trying to pull Mike brown closer to his car, Brown being a bigger dude Wilson wasn't Successful so Brown started running and the officer got out of his vehicle and shot at brown after that started brown stopped and turned around that's when he was shot dead

according to that  to me its a believable story i could see the suspect doing that and i could see the cop doing that as well..  

 

My only thing about this is, if it wasn't a cop who shot this kid, and it was just some random hoodlum, and there was 20+ people who say they saw "this guy" shoot the kid wouldn't there be someone in jail by now?  I think the cop should be charged and give him his days in court, if hes Innocent, hes Innocent, if he's guilty then hes guilty.  Just from what I've seen it doesn't look to good for the Officer but everyone has their own opinions on this    im sure you guys can take solice in the fact that im not saying we're in Nazi 2.0 now lmao

Like someone already mentioned when you are going through situations like this your adrenaline is pumping pretty hard so you might not feel the pain or even realize how badly you are injured until the situation has calmed down. You can look at many cases where either the police officer or the suspect were shot or stabbed multiple times yet continued to stay in the fight.

 

Personally I have not heard one reliable witness testimony. The only person who has actually claimed to see what happened was Mr. Brown's friend who just minutes prior helped rob a convenience store. These other so called "witnesses" all came out after they heard the gunshots, therefor how would they really know what happened?

 

There are plenty of shootings that have happened that were done in self-defense where the shooter was not arrested immediately following the shooting or at all, the media just doesn't like to give as much attention to those stories. I can think of several shootings recently that didn't involve police where the shooter claimed self-defense and law enforcement was able to find evidence that supported that case.

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The witness statements aren't worth the paper they are written on, several witnesses have given contradicting statements, the "independent" autopsy (it's beyond my understanding how an autopsy can be independent when it is ordered by the suspect's family, though it does appear as being credible), also contradicts several different witness accounts. It also provides a lot of the facts that we do know.

 

The suspect was sought in connection to a robbery that had just occurred in the area, the initial (first stop) was not connected to this, but to the suspect blocking traffic on a road.

Both witnesses and the police have said that the suspect had an "altercation" inside a police car prior to the shooting, everybody also agrees that the suspect walked away from the police car before he was shot, we don't have a clear picture of what happened after he left the car.

 

What we do know is that the suspect was shot six times from the front (contradicting the witness reports of him being shot in the back and shot while putting his hands up), the bullets hit his arm, his torso and his head. The medical examiner concluded that the wounds could have occurred as the officer shot the suspect while he was surrendering (e.g. raising his arms), OR they could have occurred as a result of the officer shooting as the suspect charged at him.

 

 

Images of the crime scene has also been leaked onto the internet, I have been told  that the body is positioned in a way that are consistent with the suspect being shot while in forward motion, indicating that he was moving towards the officer, though it must be taken with a grain of salt as we don't know if ambulance staff had tended to the suspect at that point.

 

 

 

In short, it's still very much possible that the officer acted in accordance with his training, it is also possible that he didn't. We do not have the facts to make that judgement yet. Anything beyond accepting that it's uncertain is speculation.

 

 

 

What's also apparent is that the media is working the incident from a predetermined script, this was clear within hours of the shooting when various media outlets were reporting that the police had shot "an 18 year old kid", describing him as "a gentle giant according to the family", later on describing "riots in Ferguson", but calling those on the street "protesters", not rioters.

 

It's also without doubt that the media is deliberately fuelling the riots whenever possible, the phrase "police militarization" has been used countless times to vilify the police while neglecting to report the numerous times that shots had been fired at or near police officers during the riots (at night), as shown in a video posted earlier in the thread by c13. No reports were made on the night that where State Police was in control and banned the use of riot gear, resulting in police having to abandon the area after sustaining the highest number of officer injures yet. The media then called for more a "heavy-handed" approach to the riots, leaving thoughts of short-term memory loss and hypocrisy hanging in the air.

 

There are also reports of the media downplaying the severity and nature of the riots, going as far as ignoring racial abuse and violence directed from the crowd towards various white people, there has been reports of people shouting "kill all whites, kill all cops", a (white) Fox Detroit reporter was also assaulted with a traffic cone (yes, really) while attempting to conduct an interview with a local (black) man that tried to prevent the crowd from looting a shop. The man was accused of "cooperating with the whites", then threatened.

 

 

The bottom line is that only a few people know what actually happened, the police officer who shot and a handful of witnesses, the same witnesses whose statements were contradicted, indeed the media has been quiet about that, among other things.

 

 

I feel for the family of the suspect, they have been under intense pressure from the media since the first few hours after the shooting, they most of all need peace and time to come to terms with the loss. It is disgusting to see the media use these people as their prize trophy.

 

I also feel for the officer, knowing that your actions have not only resulted in the loss of a life, but being the target of local, national and worldwide media before they know the facts will without doubt be very troubling for him.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, anything that will come of official investigations will be worthless, the police has already been found guilty in the court of public opinion.

The witness statements aren't worth the paper they are written on, several witnesses have given contradicting statements, the "independent" autopsy (it's beyond my understanding how an autopsy can be independent when it is ordered by the suspect's family, though it does appear as being credible), also contradicts several different witness accounts. It also provides a lot of the facts that we do know.

 

The suspect was sought in connection to a robbery that had just occurred in the area, the initial (first stop) was not connected to this, but to the suspect blocking traffic on a road.

Both witnesses and the police have said that the suspect had an "altercation" inside a police car prior to the shooting, everybody also agrees that the suspect walked away from the police car before he was shot, we don't have a clear picture of what happened after he left the car.

 

What we do know is that the suspect was shot six times from the front (contradicting the witness reports of him being shot in the back and shot while putting his hands up), the bullets hit his arm, his torso and his head. The medical examiner concluded that the wounds could have occurred as the officer shot the suspect while he was surrendering (e.g. raising his arms), OR they could have occurred as a result of the officer shooting as the suspect charged at him.

 

 

Images of the crime scene has also been leaked onto the internet, I have been told  that the body is positioned in a way that are consistent with the suspect being shot while in forward motion, indicating that he was moving towards the officer, though it must be taken with a grain of salt as we don't know if ambulance staff had tended to the suspect at that point.

 

 

 

In short, it's still very much possible that the officer acted in accordance with his training, it is also possible that he didn't. We do not have the facts to make that judgement yet. Anything beyond accepting that it's uncertain is speculation.

 

 

 

What's also apparent is that the media is working the incident from a predetermined script, this was clear within hours of the shooting when various media outlets were reporting that the police had shot "an 18 year old kid", describing him as "a gentle giant according to the family", later on describing "riots in Ferguson", but calling those on the street "protesters", not rioters.

 

It's also without doubt that the media is deliberately fuelling the riots whenever possible, the phrase "police militarization" has been used countless times to vilify the police while neglecting to report the numerous times that shots had been fired at or near police officers during the riots (at night), as shown in a video posted earlier in the thread by c13. No reports were made on the night that where State Police was in control and banned the use of riot gear, resulting in police having to abandon the area after sustaining the highest number of officer injures yet. The media then called for more a "heavy-handed" approach to the riots, leaving thoughts of short-term memory loss and hypocrisy hanging in the air.

 

There are also reports of the media downplaying the severity and nature of the riots, going as far as ignoring racial abuse and violence directed from the crowd towards various white people, there has been reports of people shouting "kill all whites, kill all cops", a (white) Fox Detroit reporter was also assaulted with a traffic cone (yes, really) while attempting to conduct an interview with a local (black) man that tried to prevent the crowd from looting a shop. The man was accused of "cooperating with the whites", then threatened.

 

 

The bottom line is that only a few people know what actually happened, the police officer who shot and a handful of witnesses, the same witnesses whose statements were contradicted, indeed the media has been quiet about that, among other things.

 

 

I feel for the family of the suspect, they have been under intense pressure from the media since the first few hours after the shooting, they most of all need peace and time to come to terms with the loss. It is disgusting to see the media use these people as their prize trophy.

 

I also feel for the officer, knowing that your actions have not only resulted in the loss of a life, but being the target of local, national and worldwide media before they know the facts will without doubt be very troubling for him.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, anything that will come of official investigations will be worthless, the police has already been found guilty in the court of public opinion.

 

Dis is true also the cop may be innocent be he'll never be able to work in the area again,  and if it turns out the police were telling the truth and there is no charges the whole area will erupt into and all riot / war zone

Also early today  the media tried it again ( to help fuel the flames )  in St. Louis  by saying  black male / another young African American male was shot and killed by police,  while ever so lightly saying he was armed and dangerous  with a knife and charged at police and just tried to rob the store behind him

 

they wanted to see riots in st. louis and were kinda hoping it would happen

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Now wait a minute here I just saw a news piece sayin the store that was allegedly robbed, that was a customer that called the police, the store owners did not report any crime and from the video, that was a customer that brown got into a altercation with. And plus brown casually walked out of the store instead of running like any robber would, I don't know guys something ain't adding up.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/

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Now wait a minute here I just saw a news piece sayin the store that was allegedly robbed, that was a customer that called the police, the store owners did not report any crime and from the video, that was a customer that brown got into a altercation with. And plus brown casually walked out of the store instead of running like any robber would, I don't know guys something ain't adding up.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/

Of course he wouldn't publicly admit to reporting the crime.

 

In case you don't recall, a Quik Trip was burned down when the rioters thought Brown was there earlier that day.

 

And in case you didn't watch the video, he casually walked out of the store after grabbing some one by the throat and throwing him into a display rack.

Sticks and stones may break bones, but 5.56 fragments on impact.

The video that was posted above showing the crime scene and the initial shock, sheds a lot of light on the situation. The full 10 min video (uncensored) is on LiveLeaks homepage, in case anyone's interested.

But at that moment in time, people are freaking out and scared and shocked. People done have time to make up statements of what they supposedly saw. The man he strikes up a conversation with about what happened is almost identical to what the officer reports. When your emotions and adrenaline are pumping from what just happened, it's likely only the truth is coming out. Unfortunately it's not admissible in court.

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The video that was posted above showing the crime scene and the initial shock, sheds a lot of light on the situation. The full 10 min video (uncensored) is on LiveLeaks homepage, in case anyone's interested.

But at that moment in time, people are freaking out and scared and shocked. People done have time to make up statements of what they supposedly saw. The man he strikes up a conversation with about what happened is almost identical to what the officer reports. When your emotions and adrenaline are pumping from what just happened, it's likely only the truth is coming out. Unfortunately it's not admissible in court.

 

Excited utterance is an exception to hearsay as dictated by Rule 803-2. Rule 803-1 (Sense of Impression) could probably be used too. 

 

(1) Present Sense Impression. A statement describing or explaining an event or condition, made while or immediately after the declarant perceived it.

 

"(2) Excited Utterance. A statement relating to a startling event or condition, made while the declarant was under the stress of excitement that it caused."

 

The guy off to the side saying something to the effect of he charged the cop (I'm paraphrasing sense I haven't seen the entire video) would be admissible in court. 

 

*Source 

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803

Excited utterance is an exception to hearsay as dictated by Rule 803-2. Rule 803-1 (Sense of Impression) could probably be used too. 

 

(1) Present Sense Impression. A statement describing or explaining an event or condition, made while or immediately after the declarant perceived it.

 

"(2) Excited Utterance. A statement relating to a startling event or condition, made while the declarant was under the stress of excitement that it caused."

 

The guy off to the side saying something to the effect of he charged the cop (I'm paraphrasing sense I haven't seen the entire video) would be admissible in court. 

 

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http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803

It happens at about 6:30 in the video, but it's a background conversation

Sticks and stones may break bones, but 5.56 fragments on impact.

Of course he wouldn't publicly admit to reporting the crime.

In case you don't recall, a Quik Trip was burned down when the rioters thought Brown was there earlier that day.

And in case you didn't watch the video, he casually walked out of the store after grabbing some one by the throat and throwing him into a display rack.

Well ok you make a good point there, still there's something not right about this situation, hey have they completed that third autopsy yet?

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Well ok you make a good point there, still there's something not right about this situation, hey have they completed that third autopsy yet?

 

Anything after the first autopsy will never be as accurate. Evidence from the original exam will be destroyed during the process, and without things such as clothing, crime scene information, witness statements, ect, it can be extremely difficult to reconstruct what happened. In fact one of the subsequent physicians performing an autopsy admitted that himself.

 

At this point any autopsy is going to say "yep he was shot." You may find this opinion piece interesting.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/opinion/melinek-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

The only thing not right about this situation is that people are jumping to conclusions before any facts are out and the facts that have been released all seem to support the officers actions yet people are downplaying them or completely ignoring them all together. What's not right about this situation is that politicians and the media are using it as an excuse to "demilitarize law enforcement" without actually doing real research or have any insight on the issue, just feeding off people's emotions. It disgusts me to no end how the moment a tragedy happens there is always someone there to exploit it for their own personal gain.

 

Take a look at this article: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/us/illinois-hostages/index.html

Where is the outrage of military style equipment being used this time? Where is all the media sources talking about how they have a "tank" and camo uniforms? This is exactly the kind of BS I'm talking about. I live overseas so I don't have TV service but I guarantee that CNN or Fox or [insert news station here] isn't giving this article any attention. Throw it up on the website at the bottom of the page. Then I bet when they actually talk about the incident they don't mention one damn word about military equipment but the next moment they will go back to the Ferguson story and talk about all this big bad equipment the police have.

Edited by l3ubba

Excited utterance is an exception to hearsay as dictated by Rule 803-2. Rule 803-1 (Sense of Impression) could probably be used too.

(1) Present Sense Impression. A statement describing or explaining an event or condition, made while or immediately after the declarant perceived it.

"(2) Excited Utterance. A statement relating to a startling event or condition, made while the declarant was under the stress of excitement that it caused."

The guy off to the side saying something to the effect of he charged the cop (I'm paraphrasing sense I haven't seen the entire video) would be admissible in court.

*Source

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803

Like c13 said, it's background. You have no idea who the speaker is. It'd be a long shot, but there's a slim possibility for it to be admitted as hearsay. But it's too unreliable. For all we know it could have been audio edited in after the video was taken (unlikely).

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