Yea, you may be right...I think we may have invented school shootings.  I can't understand it, most can't....just worthless pieces of human debris.

 

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If I understand you correctly, you're implying China cops are so bad they only captured 7 high-profiles killers over several centuries?))

 

 

Well as I see you misunderstood my post. Russia has resources, thanks god. We do not have shootings. School, college, cop shootings - nothing of it. There are criminals, but no one can even think of going to the school and killing children.

You don't?

You don't?

That's a terrorist attack, just in case you don't know the difference - it is not a civilian armed with a rifle, these are specially trained terrorists. Terrorism is an international trouble and in no way reflects our society. 

whats with the recent shootings involving police killing innocent people and beating people up for no reason?

That's a terrorist attack, just in case you don't know the difference - it is not a civilian armed with a rifle, these are specially trained terrorists. Terrorism is an international trouble and in no way reflects our society. 

Terrorists are civilians. They're practically highly trained (some of them) civilians. Any shooter that causes fear and kills/injures people is a terrorist.

 

Terrorists are civilians. They're practically highly trained (some of them) civilians. Any shooter that causes fear and kills/injures people is a terrorist.

Oh dear god. Now you are telling me that a school kid who shot 32 his fellow students and battle groups of devoted fanatics who were trained to kill in Islamic camps are the same? 

Oh dear god. Now you are telling me that a school kid who shot 32 his fellow students and battle groups of devoted fanatics who were trained to kill in Islamic camps are the same? 

I think you are taking my words out of context. What I said was terrorist and civilian shooters are practically the same thing. Anyone who intends on causing terror or fear in such a drastic way such as is shooting is a terrorist. Any individual can be a terrorist. What I am trying to say is that a school shooter is no different than a terrorist organization attacking a school. Terrorists are just civilians who share the same ideology. Do you see what I am trying to say here?

I think you are taking my words out of context. What I said was terrorist and civilian shooters are practically the same thing. Anyone who intends on causing terror or fear in such a drastic way such as is shooting is a terrorist. Any individual can be a terrorist. What I am trying to say is that a school shooter is no different than a terrorist organization attacking a school. Terrorists are just civilians who share the same ideology. Do you see what I am trying to say here?

Partially. But I disagree. Terrorists are in a war with all our world. Like Hitler was. Calling them - members of Al-Qaeda, Chechnya's Independent Army, or whatever - civilians, is like calling Nazis' soldiers civilians. 

 

My point was that when an ordinary guy decides do do something, grabs a gun and go kill innocent children, that tells something bad about the society he lives in. I know nothing about terrorists society, but I am sure it is rather different from ours and we cannot be judged by their actions. 

Partially. But I disagree. Terrorists are in a war with all our world. Like Hitler was. Calling them - members of Al-Qaeda, Chechnya's Independent Army, or whatever - civilians, is like calling Nazis' soldiers civilians. 

 

My point was that when an ordinary guy decides do do something, grabs a gun and go kill innocent children, that tells something bad about the society he lives in. I know nothing about terrorists society, but I am sure it is rather different from ours and we cannot be judged by their actions. 

Okay. You have a valid point. Aren't members of Al-Qaeda citizens though? It is similar to a bunch of angry friends teaming up and working together to commit crimes. Each individual is a civilian. Maybe I am not doing a good job at explaining this.

 

On the hot part of the topic

All members of Al Quieda/ISIS/Boko Haram are pretty much terrorists.

But the converse isn't true, as not all terrorist are Islamic Extremists. What do you call Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols? Or how about Ted Kaczynski? Or the Columbine guys? Last I checked, they were not Muslims nor trained in a special camp in Afghanistan. Is there some accredited degree or certification program you can go through to become a terrorist? I'm not sure, but I highly doubt so. Anyways, a lot of these attacks of these sorts, just like eh Beslan School Massacre, as well as the train station bombers last year in Volgograd were premeditated attacks. So we're not dealing with a guy who snapped all of a sudden and killed a bunch of people within minutes, but rather someone, or some people who took weeks, months, even years of planning the attack.

As for the guys fighting from Chechnya and the neighboring Oblasts? Yes they're civilians, but then they're not. It's some kind of weird grey area they're in. You can't and shouldn't call the various Nazi military branches from WWII civilians because they clearly were not civilians. In my opinion, be it a group like Al Quieda, or a an individual like Adam Lanza, or a recognized military, like the Nazi Wehrmacht from WWII. I honestly can't give to craps whether they're civilians or not, they're all terrorists in my opinion.

 

It isn't a secret, this kind of lunacy, especially against kids in school isn't just limited to the US or Western Europe. Anyone who reads the news enough (and a source that covers a good portion of the world's stories) will find that every few months someone will attack school kids in a country with a knife or Hammer. Knowing some of these countries, I can't imagine how many times it might even be swept under the rug too!

It has been a pretty violent year for Florida though compared with other years, especially for Law Enforcment. It seems a lot of fugitive Drifters from up north have made their way down here, and have found themselves shooting a cop (which the shooter themselves is found a couple hours later, dead due to a self inflicted gunshot wound supposedly. The two shootings that ended in a LEO fatality we've had in the Windermere area ended like that.) While the shooting in Nevada was definitely premeditated, the cases down here are more like idiots that were already on the run and made a pretty bad decision.

I can't speak for those cases like the Nevada cop killers. But some of the recent shooters, like that Assistant Movie Director's kid or Adam Lanza, it seems more like they had some kind deep emotional scarring, as well as other difficulties in overcoming certain issues. Without the ability to understand, they had no peace. It is only a massive shame they chose to take down many non-deserving innocents with them. That does lead me to say, if you were crap to someone in the past, if you run into them someday, be it online, or in person. Just apologize to them and be nice to them, even if they might not take it well at first. It can certainly go a long way to help them deal them, and give them closure to help them move on more effectively.

The Wehrmacht were not terrorists, by any sensible definition of the term. They were the regular armed forces of a sovereign state. They had a strict organization, carried weapons openly, wore identifying uniforms, and primarily targeted combatants. (yes, they killed lots of civilians. Many were war criminals [many were not; many were draftees sent to fight armies, and many of the worst were in the SS, not the Wehrmacht; but many were]. But they primarily targeted militaries.)

The Wehrmacht were not terrorists, by any sensible definition of the term. They were the regular armed forces of a sovereign state. They had a strict organization, carried weapons openly, wore identifying uniforms, and primarily targeted combatants. (yes, they killed lots of civilians. Many were war criminals [many were not; many were draftees sent to fight armies, and many of the worst were in the SS, not the Wehrmacht; but many were]. But they primarily targeted militaries.)

 

There were times when both actually crossed lines. IMO, I don't care, the whole Nazi War machine of the 30s and 40s, they were terrorist forces as far as I'm concerned.

Otherwise, you just pretty much just told us that a lot of these groups can also be considered the same. They all claim to be part of some state they made themselves, carry weapons out in the open, some do have identifying uniforms, and claim to primarily target combatants (which is everyone that disagrees with them btw.)

Hey! That brings me to my next point! I guess the definition of a combatant, like that of a terrorist comes down to how it's interpreted.

There were times when both actually crossed lines. IMO, I don't care, the whole Nazi War machine of the 30s and 40s, they were terrorist forces as far as I'm concerned.

Otherwise, you just pretty much just told us that a lot of these groups can also be considered the same. They all claim to be part of some state they made themselves, carry weapons out in the open, some do have identifying uniforms, and claim to primarily target combatants (which is everyone that disagrees with them btw.)

Hey! That brings me to my next point! I guess the definition of a combatant, like that of a terrorist comes down to how it's interpreted.

Well, yeah, the definitions are all mixed. But Germany actually *was* a state, was recognized as such by most of the other sovereign states - no one disputed that. "Combatant" likewise does have a line past which it has lost all meaning; that line is when people who haven't joined an organization that issues most of its members weapons and sends them off to fight are considered combatants. "Carry weapons openly" is something that they do *not* generally do - one of the notable features of terrorist groups is that they blend in with a civilian populace, while militaries nicely set themselves apart from the civilian populace.

Now, if you consider "terrorist" to mean "person who does bad violent things", then...well, that *is* a definition, but it's one that strips the word of its meaning - "terrorist" is a strict subset of "person who does bad violent things", restricting it to "people who attack the civilian populace to spread terror in order to achieve political ends". Certain elements of the Nazi war machine did that, but the majority were draftees sent to fight armies, which cannot possibly be considered terrorism.

I agree with most people above. It is JUST human nature, sadly. Going to be going into state law enforcement soon, so I prepare myself by watching officers being gunned down on raw video, as well as officers killing others. Not a recommended job if you can't handle real life action...