this is just flat out  sheer laziness  not that  hard to put pic's in a file esp since you've taken pic's already

Are you blind? Multiple people gave you legitiment reasons why some of us don't include pictures in our downloads and you continue to call us lazy. You're just dense in the head, man. Not trying to sound like a dick, but if you are going to start a topic to complain about something and not hear the other side of the argument, don't start the topic at all.

Are you blind? Multiple people gave you legitiment reasons why some of us don't include pictures in our downloads and you continue to call us lazy. You're just dense in the head, man. Not trying to sound like a dick, but if you are going to start a topic to complain about something and not hear the other side of the argument, don't start the topic at all.

 

please it's  still sheer laziness  no1 here has given a good reason as to not put at least 1 damn pic in the actually download file,   1 pic does not effect the file size at all really

 

 

no instead you want people who download the file to do all the work for you either by clickin the images file saving them to the download file,  or putting them in open 4 ( which can be time consuming ) taking pic's then saving them to the download file 

 

when all the modeler's have to do is click and drag since they have pic's already

 

 

So at this point in time there is no damn good reason to include at least 1 pic,   and still no good arguement as to why modler's can't include 1 pic in the file

Edited June 25, 201411 yr by K-9 police 9

There are alot of people (from all over the world) who download files from gta communities. Not every one of them is going to have very good download speeds (australians as an example). Downloading files that are 50+ MB for them can take quite a while to do. Some of the people who download also have limited bandwidth. So them having to download 10 files that are 50+ MB a piece can really take a dent out of their bandwidth. I think these are quite valid reasons. If you need pictures of the model and there arnt any in the rar when you get them, don't huff and puff at the people who put their own time into making something FOR YOU. Just take the 2 seconds it takes and put a picture in there yourself. The fact that there is an entire argument about this is simply saddening.

 

 

laziness laziness laziness laziness

Not taking the time to open the model in OIV or use proper grammar.

Not taking the time to open the model in OIV or use proper grammar.

 

funny you say its lazy on our part not putting the model in open4 taking a pic then saving the pic to the file

 

but

 

what I find even  funnier is that it's even more lazy on the modeler's part when all they have to do literally is click and drag 1 pic into the file when putting it together,  esp since they already have pic's readily avaible

 

 

 

 

So far SCSDeputy is the ONLY 1 to have brought up the only LEGITMATE reason bout pic's being in file's

The only small peeve I have is when it's a pack and all the cars are just the file names. I would like to know what cars are what files. Even say it in the read me. Sometimes I don't want all the cars used in the pack. It's a small nitpick, and I deal. It's not that important.

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I think you're blowing it way out of proportion. I think the reason why modders never considered it was because it didn't seem like much of a problem to them. Like EVI said, it's pretty easy to go into OpenIV to see the model. Also, I don't think you're in the place to call the modders 'lazy'. If you're complaining, creating a whole topic and asking them to fix a little inconvenience, you're the only one that's lazy. I'm only bringing this up because of that accusation, it's perfectly fine to ask, but to insult them while you're asking isn't the right way to do it.

 

Anyways, I didn't even consider this as an issue to the downloaders. In my mods, I include the pictures, only because they're gorgeous (Thanks Carrythxd and Crossfire). I had no idea I would be considered lazy if I hadn't. Of course, I'm only a texture artist.

 

What I would do is add the picture from the download page to the file. If not, I could always take it into OpenIV and take a look at it. But I too wouldn't mind if screenshots were added, but I sure wouldn't complain if they weren't.

I don't add pics in to the file size, and bandwidth. I have and upload of around >1 MB/sec to severs out side of AU. so if I'm uploading a 75+MB file, it will take me awhile.

 

 

 

Now that some of mention it I can understand why file size is a concern. As a compromise, maybe two decently (smaller) sized images. For example, one front quarter shot and one rear quarter shot from the opposite corner of the vehicle.

 

Cheers.

Why not put photos in a RARfile?

Easy: Pictures don't compress well. In testing this myself, I put three separate images in three separate RARfiles and all 3 had the same filesize as the images they contained (within a tolerance of 1 kilobyte) - Note: Tested 2 .PNG files and 1 .JPG file.

Edited June 26, 201411 yr by EvilJackCarver

Why not put photos in a RARfile?

Easy: Pictures don't compress well. In testing this myself, I put three separate images in three separate RARfiles and all 3 had the same filesize as the images they contained (within a tolerance of 1 kilobyte) - Note: Tested 2 .PNG files and 1 .JPG file.

JPGs are already compressed. You cannot effectively perform lossless compression on a compressed file, especially one compressed lossily -- compression only works on files with high redundancy, but compressing to a JPG removes that redundancy.

JPGs are already compressed. You cannot effectively perform lossless compression on a compressed file, especially one compressed lossily -- compression only works on files with high redundancy, but compressing to a JPG removes that redundancy.

PNGs, however, are lossless which means larger filesize, plus add in the fact that they won't compress and you've got a long download time ahead if you're still on 256KBPS connections.

PNGs, however, are lossless which means larger filesize, plus add in the fact that they won't compress and you've got a long download time ahead if you're still on 256KBPS connections.

PNGs are the wrong format for ingame screenshots anyway. They really only work when you have very geometric images (hence why lineart textures are PNGs). Photographic images are already not precise, and JPGs work really well on gradient-heavy images (they're designed to keep the image as visually similar as possible, despite losing information).

Moreover, compressing a losslessly-compressed file will still not normally work. There are cases where it might (notably, zip files don't remove inter-file redundancies, so compressing a zip can potentially reduce size significantly), but PNGs also remove all redundancy they can without losing information. If a file has been compressed as a solid block (as opposed to zips, which compress each file in the folder separately), adding lossless compression will not matter - lossy compression is the only way to significantly reduce file size, and you can't use lossy compression for a file archive format (human vision is fuzzy; file attributes are not).