Do you think that the Police had too many officers responding to the scene? Did they make it more than what it really was? Maybe there should have been more officers responding. Could they have used their tasers? How do you feel about this situation.

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Uhh how do I feel about this.. I couldn't see shizzz, therefor I can't answer any of the other q's. I did notice BxBugs' Impala !(;

If the perp was wielding a knife, he/she was wielding a weapon. That does warrant deadly force if the responding officer(s) decided it to be a lethal situation. 

Damn, and that's the most professional police force in the world? Didn't even try do stop the crowd. Some civs were dangerously close to vehicles, and no one gave a shit. 

I would of thought tasers would of been more appropriate then using lethal force, there were people everywhere - a stray bullet could of easily hit an innocent civilian. This is something you'd expect to see in the 80's/early 90's not modern day New York City. 

I don't think regular NYPD officers *have* Tasers; I'm pretty sure they're restricted to ESU and sergeants. Regular NYC cops have a pistol, baton, maybe pepper spray (not sure between baton/pepper spray), and that's it - the rank and file doesn't have shotguns or rifles in their car, and aren't issued Tasers.

In general, Tasers are almost never universally issued in a big department - they require special training, and that takes time and money.

In general, Tasers are almost never universally issued in a big department - they require special training, and that takes time and money.

I would of thought it'd be the bigger departments that have the tasers and the smaller ones that don't, not the other way around. I'm quite surprised the NYPD, who police a city full of millions people, don't issue tasers to all their officers. Yes it's expensive, but it's better than getting into a lawsuit with someone unlucky enough to be caught in the crossfire of a police shooting. 

I would of thought it'd be the bigger departments that have the tasers and the smaller ones that don't, not the other way around. I'm quite surprised the NYPD, who police a city full of millions people, don't issue tasers to all their officers. Yes it's expensive, but it's better than getting into a lawsuit with someone unlucky enough to be caught in the crossfire of a police shooting.

Actually, it's *less* essential in big cities, where backup is more likely. In a situation where a Taser might be needed, it's pretty easy for an NYPD officer to call ESU or a supervisor, and they can quickly respond. In a small town with one cop on duty, he needs to be able to handle whatever comes up.

And Tasers aren't necessarily better from a liability standpoint; the risk is that cops overuse them, and they're decidedly not non-lethal (they're called "less-lethal" for a reason). Officers have nightsticks and pepper spray, as well as hands, feet, and 34,000 fellow officers. There's no need to give everyone the very-easily-abused Taser. It's a specialty device, for specialty situations, and in a big-city department you can call another unit for the specialty situation.

Actually, it's *less* essential in big cities, where backup is more likely. In a situation where a Taser might be needed, it's pretty easy for an NYPD officer to call ESU or a supervisor, and they can quickly respond. In a small town with one cop on duty, he needs to be able to handle whatever comes up.

And Tasers aren't necessarily better from a liability standpoint; the risk is that cops overuse them, and they're decidedly not non-lethal (they're called "less-lethal" for a reason). Officers have nightsticks and pepper spray, as well as hands, feet, and 34,000 fellow officers. There's no need to give everyone the very-easily-abused Taser. It's a specialty device, for specialty situations, and in a big-city department you can call another unit for the specialty situation.

That's true. I never considered that. In Australia just about every officer carries a taser, however they police certain regions of an entire state and not just one city, so response times are a lot longer. 

1. If you read David Simon's "Homide" you'll learn that even justified use of force often means bad police job. NYPD has some poor training (according to it's officers) and maybe that's why they didn't handle it well (eg. look at the background, usage of weapon would cause a danger to bystanders if he'd attack officers there, also IMO they shouldn't put in him so many bullets...)

 

 

2. There's strong attitude "we vs. them". After that event I read opinions of MOS and they was like "thanks God there's noone hurt, good job with that bastard guys!".

 

3. About the amount of cops: when there is a 10-13 trasmitted everybody goes. Literally. There's no such thing like too many cops because shit may hit the fan in any minute, especially in NYC with fuckload of people everywhere. (read Walker's "Fort Apache", very interesting descriptions from battlegrounds of Bronx) The problem is how to manage such blue crowd...

 

They resolved the situation but I wouldn't call it outstanding job. I can understand that they want to protect innocent people that the perp might meet with and provoked a situation when it would be justified to shoot him. We don't know what was the status of an ESU request. They could or could not respond in reasonable time.

Edited May 12, 201411 yr by AdamP

I think they did well considering the situation. It's probably hard to get the crowd going when everyone's interested to see the outcome and the perp is on the move. Tasers aren't generally best to be deployed from such ranges neither. I can imagine if the taser missed/was ineffective, shit would've hit the fan bad.

Policing in a big city must be a nightmare during a shoot out though. So much background.

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Edited June 23, 20241 yr by tobeymaguire

I think that the NYPD acted as they saw fit. As you can see on the video the man was acting aggressive so he might of done something which resulted in the police opening fire. I think they handled it pretty well saying they waited so long to open fire even when they were justified to do it.

damn...it looks like a parade

Omg they had the whole police force chasing that guy... Love how all the people are running with the cops after the guy with their camera's, in the road, on the sidewalks, the cops don't care, don't even try to stop. Once they shoot the guy, they all chase the people away and keep them back. Wtf?

Omg they had the whole police force chasing that guy... Love how all the people are running with the cops after the guy with their camera's, in the road, on the sidewalks, the cops don't care, don't even try to stop. Once they shoot the guy, they all chase the people away and keep them back. Wtf?

 

Haha, the officers in that video was like 2% of the NYPD. 

Uhh how do I feel about this.. I couldn't see shizzz, therefor I can't answer any of the other q's. I did notice BxBugs' Impala !(;

Which is why I put "Amateur Video" in the title.

Haha, the officers in that video was like 2% of the NYPD. 

 

LOL, not even close 2% of the NYPD (2% of the NYPD is (app) 600 officers)

 

Anyways, I guess they "had the right" to shoot the guy, and about the chaos, I don't really think that they could had done a better job. It was just chaos, they tried to get the guys up on the sidewalk they just didn't have enough officers at the scene (even if it looked like a lot, there were probably much more pedestrians with cameras).

I find it kind of interesting that if that happened in LC the people would scream and just try anything to get out of there, while in NYC they are running with the police after the guy with the knife with their cellphones in the air...

If the perp was wielding a knife, he/she was wielding a weapon. That does warrant deadly force if the responding officer(s) decided it to be a lethal situation. 

Congratulations on making the Community Team by the way. I don't think I was actively on the forum when you were promoted. :)

 

OT: I do agree that shooting the suspect was necessary but dangerous, obviously. The shot could have missed and hit an "innocent" civilian. Overall, I think that they did do what they had to do.

Edited May 12, 201411 yr by CriminalKillaz

The NYPD did the right thing that guy was armed and could have made a quick move and hurt someone