Hi all, I was just wondering if cops carry MP5... Not the tactical teams (THey sure have MP5). I mean the normal patroling officers. Do they carry MP5?

LAPD has officers that carry AR15 carbines, and all US departments issue the shotguns... Do they do the same for MP5? I just wanna do somemore research before I make a video on LCPD shootouts.

Thanks.

The LCPD Officers carry a range of equipment on their gun belts and in their cars. As a weapon of defense, an ASP collapsible baton is in place on the officers' gun belts, but the police officers do not utilize the weapon at all in game. The baton is reinstated in the GTA: Chinatown Wars rendition of the LCPD. The Department-issue police firearm is the Glock 17 pistol in .40 S&W caliber. This is used when making felony arrests, pursuing suspects and in self-defense against a deadly threat. If a police officer is disarmed, they will resort to using their fists to defend themselves. If police officers are patrolling in a Police Cruiser or a Police Patrol (patrol vehicles always have two police officers on board), and the suspect has a two star wanted level or more, the police officer in the front passenger seat will carry the Ithaca Model 37 pump-action shotgun with 6 12-gauge 00-buck rounds in the magazine tube. The police officers guarding places of high security such as the Statue Of Happiness, Civilization Committee Headquarters and the Rotterdam Tower will carry M4A1 Carbine assault rifles in 5.56 NATO caliber, which is a good deterrent of both terrorist activity and everyday crime. When the suspect has a five star wanted level or more, police officers will often attempt to shoot the player with PSG-1 Sniper Rifles from some rooftops, specifically those in Chinatown and The Exchange.

 

(from the wiki)

 

EDIT: LCPD officers carry carbines at the Francis Intl. Airport. 

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@Ineseri He meant real life US departments.

 

@Sheriff98 It truly depends on the department and the demographics of that area. Generally, major cities all have at least some officers patrolling with AR-15s, but it isn't needed for every cop. I believe from past reading that the LAPD has about 600 patrol officers that carry an AR-15, while everyone else gets their personal sidearm and a Remington 870 in the car. Other major cities, like New York, only issue long guns (any lethal weapon besides a handgun) to ESU and units that do raids, while patrol officers only have sidearms.

 

A general rule of thumb though is that an agency that is in a suburban or a rural area will have a majority of officers with AR-15s, or at least highly encourage officers to buy their own and get qualified to carry it. In my area, all officers are required to have an AR-15 in the car. Also, as far as I know, all Highway Patrol agencies carry AR-15s.

 

The primary issue with MP5s is that they are outdated. They are a design from the 60's, and little can be done to them to make them more functional in today's environment. While I still personally believe they are a great gun (HK is hard to beat, though expensive), MP5s are pretty much useless past 50 yards, and a rifle is a lot more effective. Another issue is that MP5s can't be customized easily. Most mounting systems for anything other than the surefire forend light are aftermarket, and add additional costs. Most AR-15s come standard with a picatinny rail system (used to mount attachments like Scopes, flashlights and grips). Another issue is that it has the option for fully automatic fire, which most PD's are steering away from due to the risk of collateral damage. Even most US SWAT Teams are steering away from them in favor of short barreled AR-15s.

 

While there are still a rare few patrol officers that carry MP5s, it was primarily a weapon used before the North Hollywood Shootout (this is what prompted the LAPD to give AR-15s to some patrol officers). One of the PDs in my area had MP5s and Remington 870's as standard issue before then, but realized that neither were effective for general patrol use and switched to the Benelli M4 semi-auto shotgun loaded with Bean Bag rounds and AR-15s. The only place where I would look for a patrol officer with one is a rural PD that uses the LE exemptions to buy "fun guns" for the officer to burn through ammo. I know of one retired chief in a rural Missouri town that bought numerous different fully automatic guns for the PD, but went out and shot through several hundred thousand rounds with them a month.

@Ineseri He meant real life US departments.

I know he did! But since he mentioned making videos on LCPD shootouts I figured I would mention what kind of equipment the LCPD use.  Oh well. 

I believe the Talk Regarding Weapons that Law Enforcement Personnel use

should not be Talked about. I ask for this Topic to be Droped and forgot in.

 

Sergeanto!

I believe the Talk Regarding Weapons that Law Enforcement Personnel use

should not be Talked about. I ask for this Topic to be Droped and forgot in.

 

Sergeanto!

May I ask why? It's a police community and weapons are a part of the job of a police officer. 

Edited October 3, 201312 yr by ineseri

I believe the Talk Regarding Weapons that Law Enforcement Personnel use

should not be Talked about. I ask for this Topic to be Droped and forgot in.

 

Sergeanto!

Nope. This is a matter of public knowledge, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be discussed.

I believe the Talk Regarding Weapons that Law Enforcement Personnel use

should not be Talked about. I ask for this Topic to be Droped and forgot in.

 

Sergeanto!

If you think it should be removed, you should report it. No laws are being violated, since we live in a somewhat free country where we are free to discuss and even criticize police policies, including weapons. And there is no potential danger to officer safety in discussing this. I know many cops that openly talk about this stuff, and it's definitely not top secret information that police carry guns and have access to something better than a handgun.

May I ask why? It's a police community and weapons are a part of the job of a police officer. 

 

 

Nope. This is a matter of public knowledge, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be discussed.

 

 

If you think it should be removed, you should report it. No laws are being violated, since we live in a somewhat free country where we are free to discuss and even criticize police policies, including weapons. And there is no potential danger to officer safety in discussing this. I know many cops that openly talk about this stuff, and it's definitely not top secret information that police carry guns and have access to something better than a handgun.

 

I have Asked Numerous people on what type of Weapons they use N' they would not tell me.

N' I know and understand why. They don't Truly know me N' I may be trying to Beat them at

a Weapons Fight, etc. That is Why. Yes their are Weapons Mods, But they get the Names of

them and this and that. You are talking about a Specific Place and that is what gets my attention.

I am not tying to say any thing if you are good or bad or any thing, But you never know if you get

Mad or Sad or somthin and go on a Rage. N' you knowing what Weapons they use can affect you

etc. Now do you see my Perspective? Also other People that are Guess can be Searching the Web

and a Link comes up for this Topic and they Know and then they know and you don't know.

 

Sergeanto!

I don't really understand the issue here. The departments are not keeping their weapons specs a secret, it's in the public domain. 

Yes, there are some cases where equipment specs should be confidential. For example, details about the armor on US Army M1 tanks is highly classified, as are operational specs for American submarines.

That doesn't apply here. All these things are special-built, and generally restricted to government use. In contrast, firearms police employ are not built for police use; they are available, in general, to anyone who wants them. Furthermore, knowing specific weapon models doesn't give much advantage over knowing weapon *types*, and weapon types are most certainly public knowledge - if the police use rifles, that's not a secret fact.

Secrecy makes sense when the things being kept secret would cause harm if disclosed. Tactics police use can fall under that category. Exotic equipment, maybe (I could see the police preferring to keep confidential details on the capabilities of an armored vehicle). But police firearms are not exotic.

Answer me this: How would it cause an issue if criminals knew exactly what weapons the police carry? Where would that lead to problems?

 

I have Asked Numerous people on what type of Weapons they use N' they would not tell me.

N' I know and understand why. They don't Truly know me N' I may be trying to Beat them at

a Weapons Fight, etc. That is Why. Yes their are Weapons Mods, But they get the Names of

them and this and that. You are talking about a Specific Place and that is what gets my attention.

I am not tying to say any thing if you are good or bad or any thing, But you never know if you get

Mad or Sad or somthin and go on a Rage. N' you knowing what Weapons they use can affect you

etc. Now do you see my Perspective? Also other People that are Guess can be Searching the Web

and a Link comes up for this Topic and they Know and then they know and you don't know.

 

Sergeanto!

 

 

ok I don't really see what your issues are. I have talked to random cops that I don't know who have let me know what kind of gun they carry and is some rare occurrence some have even let my hold their guns and ammo. (never was their gun loaded though) my best friend is a SGT with a police department down the street from me. and I have seen and held his gun. (again never loaded)

 

like I stated before I have never ever run into a police officer who would hide information from me. also its public knowledge. in Missouri we all have the right to know what our police officers carry. and in regards to them using what this topic is about I have not seen them carry them before. but that don't mean no one uses them. just not here at least.

@Ineseri He meant real life US departments.

 

@Sheriff98 It truly depends on the department and the demographics of that area. Generally, major cities all have at least some officers patrolling with AR-15s, but it isn't needed for every cop. I believe from past reading that the LAPD has about 600 patrol officers that carry an AR-15, while everyone else gets their personal sidearm and a Remington 870 in the car. Other major cities, like New York, only issue long guns (any lethal weapon besides a handgun) to ESU and units that do raids, while patrol officers only have sidearms.

 

A general rule of thumb though is that an agency that is in a suburban or a rural area will have a majority of officers with AR-15s, or at least highly encourage officers to buy their own and get qualified to carry it. In my area, all officers are required to have an AR-15 in the car. Also, as far as I know, all Highway Patrol agencies carry AR-15s.

 

The primary issue with MP5s is that they are outdated. They are a design from the 60's, and little can be done to them to make them more functional in today's environment. While I still personally believe they are a great gun (HK is hard to beat, though expensive), MP5s are pretty much useless past 50 yards, and a rifle is a lot more effective. Another issue is that MP5s can't be customized easily. Most mounting systems for anything other than the surefire forend light are aftermarket, and add additional costs. Most AR-15s come standard with a picatinny rail system (used to mount attachments like Scopes, flashlights and grips). Another issue is that it has the option for fully automatic fire, which most PD's are steering away from due to the risk of collateral damage. Even most US SWAT Teams are steering away from them in favor of short barreled AR-15s.

 

While there are still a rare few patrol officers that carry MP5s, it was primarily a weapon used before the North Hollywood Shootout (this is what prompted the LAPD to give AR-15s to some patrol officers). One of the PDs in my area had MP5s and Remington 870's as standard issue before then, but realized that neither were effective for general patrol use and switched to the Benelli M4 semi-auto shotgun loaded with Bean Bag rounds and AR-15s. The only place where I would look for a patrol officer with one is a rural PD that uses the LE exemptions to buy "fun guns" for the officer to burn through ammo. I know of one retired chief in a rural Missouri town that bought numerous different fully automatic guns for the PD, but went out and shot through several hundred thousand rounds with them a month.

 

Actually the reason why the MP5 has faded (not replaced) is due to ballistics and bullet penetration and not due to an out-dated design or the inability to accessorize the firearm. Ever since the advent of the use of Carbines in the military, Law enforcement agencies have adopted the carbine due to the fact that it offers everything that a SMG offers (Size, weight, compactness) with the specifications of a rifle (Longer engagement, Power, Ease of transition, ease of training etc.). The MP5 has not been replaced as it is still the favourite in many disciplines and domains.

 

It depends on the city, size of the agency and local politics. In New York you will never see a regular patrol officer with an AR-15, Likewise here in Canada many urban agencies have begun to adopt the Patrol Rifle policy (although my views differ but that's for another discussion).

 

 

I have Asked Numerous people on what type of Weapons they use N' they would not tell me.

N' I know and understand why. They don't Truly know me N' I may be trying to Beat them at

a Weapons Fight, etc. That is Why. Yes their are Weapons Mods, But they get the Names of

them and this and that. You are talking about a Specific Place and that is what gets my attention.

I am not tying to say any thing if you are good or bad or any thing, But you never know if you get

Mad or Sad or somthin and go on a Rage. N' you knowing what Weapons they use can affect you

etc. Now do you see my Perspective? Also other People that are Guess can be Searching the Web

and a Link comes up for this Topic and they Know and then they know and you don't know.

 

Sergeanto!

 

 

 

He wasn't asking how much the CIA, NSA, CSE, CSIS, MI6, MI5 gets in terms of funding or what's the latest in stealth technology or the latest in combat survival equipment for X Army or even how First Responders respond to a particular incident. 

 

He was asking what types of firearms are used and issued to Law Enforcement which is public domain, do a google search and you'll receive hundreds of thousands of hits regarding Law Enforcement equipment and firearms. Unfortunately I hate to say it, your point is moot, This is not classified information this is information that has been made public by particular agencies through purchasing contracts, recruiting information, officer-involved shooting incidents and court cases.

Actually the reason why the MP5 has faded (not replaced) is due to ballistics and bullet penetration and not due to an out-dated design or the inability to accessorize the firearm. Ever since the advent of the use of Carbines in the military, Law enforcement agencies have adopted the carbine due to the fact that it offers everything that a SMG offers (Size, weight, compactness) with the specifications of a rifle (Longer engagement, Power, Ease of transition, ease of training etc.). The MP5 has not been replaced as it is still the favourite in many disciplines and domains.

 

I briefly covered the fact that an MP5 isn't a good gun for a distance longer than 50 yards, only that most people on this site do not understand ballistics or anything like that so I didn't discuss it too much.

 

I have Asked Numerous people on what type of Weapons they use N' they would not tell me.

N' I know and understand why. They don't Truly know me N' I may be trying to Beat them at

a Weapons Fight, etc. That is Why. Yes their are Weapons Mods, But they get the Names of

them and this and that. You are talking about a Specific Place and that is what gets my attention.

I am not tying to say any thing if you are good or bad or any thing, But you never know if you get

Mad or Sad or somthin and go on a Rage. N' you knowing what Weapons they use can affect you

etc. Now do you see my Perspective? Also other People that are Guess can be Searching the Web

and a Link comes up for this Topic and they Know and then they know and you don't know.

 

Sergeanto!

 

The only agency I specifically mentioned was the LAPD. As far as whether their information is secret or not, you can ask National Geographic or any other group that has produced a documentary about the North Hollywood Shootout because they all say that the LAPD now has patrol officers with rifles because of it. Also, scroll down on this link from the LAPD's official website. They list the guns they carry, including rifles, shotguns and sidearms.

 

I have Asked Numerous people on what type of Weapons they use N' they would not tell me.

N' I know and understand why. 

I'm not so sure you do. If it's truly classified then nobody would know. Anyway as far as police carrying MP5's: Generally no, never. SWAT yes, patrolmen no. Modern departments with decent government funding use a single shot variant of the M4A1 Carbine or a 12 gauge shotgun like a Remington or Benelli in almost all cases.

In my county its Glock 21 or 22, Flashlight,pepper spray, traffic vest, radio, shotgun, maybe  AR-15, Maybe MP5, ASP baton, handcuffs, pepper spray Taser X-26, key holder, maybe bulletproof stuff depending on deputy

I don't see any reason why this should be locked or not talked about. Like others have said, its no secret as to what cops carry. Even if he was asking about a specific place that he was trying to do something malicious, even if the officers didn't have automatic weapons in the cars, they could mount a response to a situation in which the officers would then have automatic weapons anyway. Saying that he is asking about this to try and gain knowledge to do something malicious is crazy. I think he's simply asking out of curiosity and its a completely normal question. Now to give my input - in the ride alongs I've been on I've seen a variety of setups. My local sheriff dept. carries AR's and shotguns in the car. Local PD only carries shotguns. With some of the other larger departments I've been with I've always seen a shotgun/AR setup in most cars but it depends on the car/officer I suppose. I've never seen MP5's though but that doesn't mean they weren't in the trunk or something. Although I've never heard of them carrying MP5's anyway. Why would they need the MP5 when they have a AR? I do recall in one episode of Alaska State Troopers, one of the troopers had to gun a shotgun out to kill a moose. He had it in the rear (it was a SUV) in one of those drawers and there was a MP5 sitting in the drawer