To whom it may concern,

 

     It is unfortunate that I have to inform anyone of this, but I just received a cease and desist from the Grand Junction Police Department for anything related to the department or the City of Grand Junction and must stop all further development of the GJPD cars and take down the ones that I have up already. I am sorry for any inconvenience that this may have caused and would like to request that no one reupload these skins, as this is now a legal matter and wish no one to have to deal with said legal issues. If anyone wishes for any proof on this cease and desist, I should have the formal letter from the department soon. Thank you for your understanding.

 

Sincerely,

MostChameleon

Edited June 21, 201312 yr by MostChameleon

Hey nice skins man! I am subscribed to you on youtube haha!

Edited June 13, 201312 yr by Hilth0

Nice Job!!

Hell Yeah! Its nice to know I am not the only one from Grand Junction! 

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Edited June 21, 201312 yr by MostChameleon

I am sorry for any inconvenience this causes.

I am sorry for any inconvenience this causes.

This was completely unexpected. I never thought GJPD would go after such a thing. I do have your skins thank god. Would you have to contact GJPD about this incident? 

This was completely unexpected. I never thought GJPD would go after such a thing. I do have your skins thank god. Would you have to contact GJPD about this incident? 

 

Believe it or not, they reserve the right to do so and we must stop when asked. 

i say prove it!, and its a public police department they can not tell anyone to stop anything! 

http://www.prepsportswear.com/government/us/Police/Colorado/Grand_Junction_/Grand-Junction-Police-Department-Officer/Featured-Top-Sellers/ProductList.aspx?category=183&schoolid=2565425

 

you cant make a skin for a game, BUT hey you can buy a shirts that say your an officer! They should be worried about that!

Edited June 24, 201312 yr by Rich Sobilo

Did they contacted you here in LCPDFR? Funny thing is that I had thought some time ago about making some liveries of their old units...

Difference with the t-shirt is the GJPD licensed the t-shirt though and it's an offiical GJDP product, a skin isn't licensed or official. They can tell anyone to stop using their logo or name, it's their property (this discussion was over in the more exposure thread too).

Sorry man, I call B.S. on the whole 'Cease and Decist" order from the Grand Junction P.D. Humor me and please post up this "Cease and Desist" order when you receive it. Along with the certified envelope you receive it in. In the interest of humoring this notion further, I'm sure the tax payers would love to be paying the associated court costs etc. Not to mention paying for the city attorney's time beyond what is within the scope of his/her duties to pursue such a frivolous thing.  

 

Not trying to personally attack or flame you, just calling Bullsh!t on this one. If you don't want to finish the project or whatever then just don't.  But concocting such a story is not necessary in my opinion.  It just makes you look bad.  Just saying...

Edited June 25, 201312 yr by leepersc

Sorry man, I call B.S. on the whole 'Cease and Decist" order from the Grand Junction P.D. Humor me and please post up this "Cease and Desist" order when you receive it. Along with the certified envelope you receive it in. In the interest of humoring this notion further, I'm sure the tax payers would love to be paying the associated court costs etc. Not to mention paying for the city attorney's time beyond what is within the scope of his/her duties to pursue such a frivolous thing.  

 

Not trying to personally attack or flame you, just calling Bullsh!t on this one. If you don't want to finish the project or whatever then just don't.  But concocting such a story is not necessary in my opinion.  It just makes you look bad.  Just saying...

 

Why would he make up a bullshit story and lie? He has nothing to lie about.

 

Police agencies across the world don't like their uniforms, vechiles etc being used in videogames. There was someone in New Zealand who got told to remove his NZ pack because they don't like NZ police officers getting killed (even if it's a video game). They have every right to ask to remove it since it's based on their department, They might not like the content being showed and it might give their department a bad name.

Why would he make up a bullshit story and lie? He has nothing to lie about.

 

Police agencies across the world don't like their uniforms, vechiles etc being used in videogames. There was someone in New Zealand who got told to remove his NZ pack because they don't like NZ police officers getting killed (even if it's a video game). They have every right to ask to remove it since it's based on their department, They might not like the content being showed and it might give their department a bad name.

That guy made it on the news hahaha. But this is very true, this has happened to me too. I remember back in 2011 I made a video showing off a Ottawa Police Service texture I had made and a few days later I received an email from the department asking me to take it down. I simply apologized and took down the video and the matter was over. I never heard anything again from them. 

Sorry man, I call B.S. on the whole 'Cease and Decist" order from the Grand Junction P.D. Humor me and please post up this "Cease and Desist" order when you receive it. Along with the certified envelope you receive it in. In the interest of humoring this notion further, I'm sure the tax payers would love to be paying the associated court costs etc. Not to mention paying for the city attorney's time beyond what is within the scope of his/her duties to pursue such a frivolous thing.  

 

Not trying to personally attack or flame you, just calling Bullsh!t on this one. If you don't want to finish the project or whatever then just don't.  But concocting such a story is not necessary in my opinion.  It just makes you look bad.  Just saying...

 

It isn't BS, there's sample C&D letters that can be mailed out. Sending one des not require a lawyer or a court case. For instance in the BATRacer case, it did not involve any lawyers at all, merely a letter asking for the content to be removed. It's the same at a city level. The Ottawa example on GPM?

One call requesting a takedown. No lawyer. No court case. Just one call and it got taken down, no moneyt spent above and beyond what was normally spent that day

Secondly: The GJPD is well within their rights to tell anyone using their image or name to stop. It is the GJPD's name and logo, if he'd have used a fictional logo and changed name, no problem. It's the same as using a McDonalds logo to promote obesity.

I'm seconding the request to post the C&D letter as well, I'm willing to bet it's a standard 'stop doing this because....' letter.

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Police agencies across the world don't like their uniforms, vechiles etc being used in videogames.

 

Unless, that is, they can control what goes on in said game and have input.

 

Being cynical, if it was a game where the GJPD were the good guys and you spent the whole game busting criminals and couldn't shoot anybody else other than criminals...they wouldn't have an issue with it aside from the unofficial skin making...but because it's GTA and because you're a bad guy, they aren't keen on it at all. The fact that it's their skins is a very easy and convenient reason to get it removed.

It's like in FPSes, gun makers only allow their guns to be used if the 'good guys' use them, Totalbiscuit explained it in one of his videos (I think it was about the EA and MoH gun buying one), where if game companies license a gun....let's say an M16, Colt will come along and say something like this:

Colt: Okay, you can use our gun but on one condition.

Devs: What condition

Colt: That the good guys get to use it and the bad guys can't

You think I'm joking? I'm not, those restrictions do apply, it's the same with cars. I know I've made this point time and again, but you try finding a car maker for a game that will let you run people over or have the whole car crushed. I will tell you now, you won't find any car maker. Why? It's awful PR.

It's also awful PR for a PD to be assicated with a game like GTA, even if it's through modded in skins, it's about image.

 

Edited June 25, 201312 yr by celticfang

Sorry man, I call B.S. on the whole 'Cease and Decist" order from the Grand Junction P.D. Humor me and please post up this "Cease and Desist" order when you receive it. Along with the certified envelope you receive it in. In the interest of humoring this notion further, I'm sure the tax payers would love to be paying the associated court costs etc. Not to mention paying for the city attorney's time beyond what is within the scope of his/her duties to pursue such a frivolous thing.  

 

Not trying to personally attack or flame you, just calling Bullsh!t on this one. If you don't want to finish the project or whatever then just don't.  But concocting such a story is not necessary in my opinion.  It just makes you look bad.  Just saying...

 

Well, apparently according to this guy GTA:IV should've been based on NYC, used real branded vehicles without license along with accurate NYPD and other misc stuff. And that Rockstar is retarded, and he is more intelligent.

You try making a game, ANY game with licensed content and try to simulate reality. Licenses will dictate that you must leave things out.

 

Let's say you do go ahead and get the licenses for this example game...here's what you'd have to leave out without compromising. (And these are the examples that I've seen and read about)

 

Car makers:

Won't let you run people over (Ford is notorious for this, so good luck getting any licensed cop cars)

Won't let your car catch fire (Most car makers don't want their cars catching fire)

 

Won't let cars flip or roll over (which was often cited for the PS2 Gran Turismo series and confirmed by Kaz, the lead dev)

 

Won't let your car be written off (in terms of the passenger compartment being damaged at all) (All car makers)

Gun makers:

Won't let the 'bad guys' use certain guns (The big gun makers)

 

Will insist on no shooting civilians or friendly troops (See CoD)

 

Will insist on only using certain weapons (again the big gun makers)

Police:

Won't allow police officers to be killed

Will insist the good guys win (Since, ya know....it's mandatory the good guys win)

Publishers:

All of the above

Your best bet is making the skins, but just changing the city name to "Liberty". They can't touch you then

Even so, different font just to be sure

To be honest why the hell would the GJPD care?  its a skin on a damn game and also why make a big deal out of it, just take the skins off the website and if people care they'll PM you