I don't know if it's possible the the US, but here a couple can enter a civil partnership/union which gives them the same legal rights and entitlements as a married couple, gays are included in this.

I think it's up to the church to decide whether or not they believe that homosexuals can be married, this goes not just for the Christian church, but any religion.

 

The church is a religious place and it's not up for the government to force anything upon them that they do not wish to do, getting married in a church should mean that you are doing so as a result of your religious beliefs and not because it looks nice.

It's fine if the church believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, I see nothing wrong with the church acting based on its beliefs.

 

 

I can't see any logical reason for why homosexuals can't have the same rights as a heterosexual couple though civil partnership, it makes no sense that their genders define if they are a couple, their love for each other defines if they are a couple.

I dont think the church have the problem with it! i think its because when you marry its under god! The state can't force them to be married under god! why? because its sin! we all sin just in different ways and as a christian we are supose to love and forgive as how jesus do for us, its not our place to judge or throw the first stone.. but again  the only part of gay marriage that i dis liek is its under god name! its like people that kill and say under god name! where in the bibles states you must kill for god???? there is only 1 part in the bibles which was in the old tes. and its when god ordered a army to kill a villiage.. because it was over run with to much sin , god is love but he is also holy and cant let sin go un-punish... besides that fact, I believe thats why many church have that issue! I do agree it should be a civil partnership .. not under god ....

I dont think the church have the problem with it! i think its because when you marry its under god! The state can't force them to be married under god! why? because its sin! we all sin just in different ways and as a christian we are supose to love and forgive as how jesus do for us, its not our place to judge or throw the first stone.. but again  the only part of gay marriage that i dis liek is its under god name! its like people that kill and say under god name! where in the bibles states you must kill for god???? there is only 1 part in the bibles which was in the old tes. and its when god ordered a army to kill a villiage.. because it was over run with to much sin , god is love but he is also holy and cant let sin go un-punish... besides that fact, I believe thats why many church have that issue! I do agree it should be a civil partnership .. not under god ....

 

But by acting like you know what God wants, are you not trying to take over His will?

I don't think anyone is arguing that churches should *have* to accept gay couples as married (personally, I think they *should* do it, because churches should be welcoming and inclusive, but they get to make that decision on their own). However, at least in the US, "marriage" is also a purely civil term used officially by the government. You can get married by a justice of the peace, with no religious involvement at all. What people are arguing is that the term "marriage" in official civil contexts should be permitted to same-sex couples.

I don't know if it's possible the the US, but here a couple can enter a civil partnership/union which gives them the same legal rights and entitlements as a married couple, gays are included in this.

We have civil unions however they aren't solid and don't provide the same benefits. Not only that but why should someone's relationship be labeled something different even IF the benefits are equal. Marriage isn't entirely about religion anymore and it stopped being 'sacred' when people could get married in Las Vegas with someone they don't know and when they could marry in a court. 

Plus some churches welcome the LGBT community. So why shouldn't they be able to marry gay couples if THEY believe it's right. 

You cant take over gods will ... if i understand your question correctly. but the bibles is a book about how to live life and i feel have all the answers you can think of.. so by reading the bibles you will know what god wants because hes states it! how was the bibles made and carry on and how do i know it wasnt change,,, i Don't have a answer for that . WhY? i cant answer that ! but do i believe in Jesus and what the bibles says yes! the bibles have predict events that no other bibles can! and even made people wonder if jesus is real or question that!.............LEts all be serious this world is changing and everyone is looking for a answer and i believe the answer is in the bibles! remember Being a christian isny about sight its about faith and believe. its not our jobs to judge why? because we sin in our own ways and according to the bibles all sins are equal and will be handle by the maker when our times comes! but i remember a line int he bibles and peter ask jesus when will we know when your coming! and he gave hints and told us signs never a day, time year or anything and look at life now! now look Crazy storms , Earthquakes , Animals dieing out , More sick Crimes... this world is going to trash and its not getting better! i notice now people spend there time now trying to hurt you or finding a way to get over !!!! remember again God is love and have mercy on us! because Btw you and me if i was god i would just destory this place and start over! but god love us and all of us! but remember he says not all of us will be saved! even the onces that has been call!...........so yea! i hope this answers it :)

I dont think the church have the problem with it! i think its because when you marry its under god! The state can't force them to be married under god! why? because its sin! we all sin just in different ways and as a christian we are supose to love and forgive as how jesus do for us, its not our place to judge or throw the first stone.. but again  the only part of gay marriage that i dis liek is its under god name! its like people that kill and say under god name! where in the bibles states you must kill for god???? there is only 1 part in the bibles which was in the old tes. and its when god ordered a army to kill a villiage.. because it was over run with to much sin , god is love but he is also holy and cant let sin go un-punish... besides that fact, I believe thats why many church have that issue! I do agree it should be a civil partnership .. not under god ....

 

Slavery must be fine and dandy then. :) 

 

And to "The state can't force them to be married under god!" part. WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T RELIGIOUS AND ARE MARRIED?! Then to pretty much class homosexuality with murder? Are you serious? 

 

The thing that bothers me about the bible is that people realized that the first one was a bit to harsh for this time. SO THEY REWROTE IT! Seriously? Isn't something that's written closer on a timeline to Jesus going to be a bit more solid? Logically yes, but just like everyone who follows organized religion. You pick and choose what you want to believe. If you're free to sin then why can't I? Are you god and are you honestly willing to do his job? Are you willing to claim that HIS creation is wrong? I'm sorry but I feel like that's pretty offensive to the big man. 

I dont think the church have the problem with it! i think its because when you marry its under god! The state can't force them to be married under god! why? because its sin! we all sin just in different ways and as a christian we are supose to love and forgive as how jesus do for us, its not our place to judge or throw the first stone.. but again  the only part of gay marriage that i dis liek is its under god name! its like people that kill and say under god name! where in the bibles states you must kill for god???? there is only 1 part in the bibles which was in the old tes. and its when god ordered a army to kill a villiage.. because it was over run with to much sin , god is love but he is also holy and cant let sin go un-punish... besides that fact, I believe thats why many church have that issue! I do agree it should be a civil partnership .. not under god ....

Again that is YOUR religion people don't have to abide to YOUR religions rules. For example someone at an anti-gay marriage rally said this "God says honor your mother and father, not your mother and mother, not your father and father" That is like saying that god said "go and eat some plants from the ground" does that make meat immoral? Just because god excluded something does not mean that you fill in the blank and and assume gods feeling on a subject......There are some inaccuracies, take it or leave it. 

I don't think anyone is arguing that churches should *have* to accept gay couples as married (personally, I think they *should* do it, because churches should be welcoming and inclusive, but they get to make that decision on their own). However, at least in the US, "marriage" is also a purely civil term used officially by the government. You can get married by a justice of the peace, with no religious involvement at all. What people are arguing is that the term "marriage" in official civil contexts should be permitted to same-sex couples.

 

 

right but i mean  just the reason why i think churches have a problem! because in a church you cant just marry under state lol and what i do notice when you go to city hall in new york!  the state dont marry under god i believe.... i can be wrong but some places do marry under god! and thats the conflict... again if they want be married no problems! who is me to say " your wrong ewwwwwwwwwwww, go to hell  or **** you yours nasty ... those are just people that are amature and scared !!! why scared i dont know its not like the whole world would go gay ..........

You cant take over gods will ... if i understand your question correctly. but the bibles is a book about how to live life and i feel have all the answers you can think of.. so by reading the bibles you will know what god wants because hes states it! how was the bibles made and carry on and how do i know it wasnt change,,, i Don't have a answer for that . WhY? i cant answer that ! but do i believe in Jesus and what the bibles says yes! the bibles have predict events that no other bibles can! and even made people wonder if jesus is real or question that!.............LEts all be serious this world is changing and everyone is looking for a answer and i believe the answer is in the bibles! remember Being a christian isny about sight its about faith and believe. its not our jobs to judge why? because we sin in our own ways and according to the bibles all sins are equal and will be handle by the maker when our times comes! but i remember a line int he bibles and peter ask jesus when will we know when your coming! and he gave hints and told us signs never a day, time year or anything and look at life now! now look Crazy storms , Earthquakes , Animals dieing out , More sick Crimes... this world is going to trash and its not getting better! i notice now people spend there time now trying to hurt you or finding a way to get over !!!! remember again God is love and have mercy on us! because Btw you and me if i was god i would just destory this place and start over! but god love us and all of us! but remember he says not all of us will be saved! even the onces that has been call!...........so yea! i hope this answers it :)

You do realize you've contradicted yourself multiple times throughout this post, right? 

 

"The Bible is a book about how to live life" I've never met anyone who truly lives by it. 

 

"I feel has all the answers you can think of." So why don't you have an answer to whether or not it was changed. 

 

"The bibles have predict evens that no other bibles can!" Incorrect my friend. Not only that but no prediction has been made in the bible. Unless it has EXACT dates and names, it was not a prediction, just a coincidence 

 

"It's not our jobs to judge" You do realize you're statement on gay marriage is judging, correct? 

 

"Now look crazy storms, earthquakes, animals dieing out, more sick crimes" That sounds like the cycle the earth goes through numerous times, animals are dying out because of humanity and more sick crimes? There was a time when chopping someones head off was a public event. So many murders and what not have been in the name of god. 

 

"this world is going to trash and its not getting better!" Well clearly, but I can assure you, legalizing gay marriage isn't going to speed up the process.

 

"remember again God is love and have mercy on us" If he is love why are so many people hateful in the name of religion? It's not very godlike of you. 

 

"I hope this answers it" It's literally answered nothing. 

 

I'm sure I could dig farther in and continue to list parts of your post that are completely irrelevant but I don't care THAT much. 

Slavery must be fine and dandy then. :) 

 

And to "The state can't force them to be married under god!" part. WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T RELIGIOUS AND ARE MARRIED?! Then to pretty much class homosexuality with murder? Are you serious? 

 

The thing that bothers me about the bible is that people realized that the first one was a bit to harsh for this time. SO THEY REWROTE IT! Seriously? Isn't something that's written closer on a timeline to Jesus going to be a bit more solid? Logically yes, but just like everyone who follows organized religion. You pick and choose what you want to believe. If you're free to sin then why can't I? Are you god and are you honestly willing to do his job? Are you willing to claim that HIS creation is wrong? I'm sorry but I feel like that's pretty offensive to the big man

 

 

Well god gave us free-will but there are rules! and the only way to be free  well proper term forgivinen from sin is to beleive in jesus and have faith but that also means you have to try your best to follow his ways !  which i believe........ everyone is free to do what ever they want! :)......... Anything that the world do isnt our busniess! its the lord busniess !!!!

 

Again i have nothing against gays or them getting married just as long its not push under god !!!! i have gay friends and we hang out and chill! and its like nothing! just that we cant talk about "Hey that girls looks hot. then 5 seconds later! wow look at that butt on that guy! because we both will be like! okay the weird akward moment lol!! but yea !!! i just hope people gets my point !!!! Im a christian but im not god! i cant worry about god busniess because i have to focus on mines with him!!! not the entire world problems :)

Well god gave us free-will but there are rules! and the only way to be free  well proper term forgivinen from sin is to beleive in jesus and have faith but that also means you have to try your best to follow his ways !  which i believe........ everyone is free to do what ever they want! :)......... Anything that the world do isnt our busniess! its the lord busniess !!!!

 

Again i have nothing against gays or them getting married just as long its not push under god !!!! i have gay friends and we hang out and chill! and its like nothing! just that we cant talk about "Hey that girls looks hot. then 5 seconds later! wow look at that butt on that guy! because we both will be like! okay the weird akward moment lol!! but yea !!! i just hope people gets my point !!!! Im a christian but im not god! i cant worry about god busniess because i have to focus on mines with him!!! not the entire world problems :)

 

1 more contradiction. This ones quite common though. 

 

"I have nothing against gays or them getting married just as long its not push under god" 

You can't say you have NOTHING against gays and then go on to say they shouldn't be equal to you. 

The issue is relevant in many western countries, it certainly comes up at least once a year here in Denmark with priests both supporting and fighting against gay marriage in the Church of Denmark. It's not a debate that is restricted to the US alone so the debate on here will reflect that the situations are different and there may be other options.

 

 

I believe that every part of the bible shouldn't be taken literally, I read it ten or so years ago though so my memory may be spotty on exactly what it says.

Jesus accepted everyone, he healed the ill and fed the poor. He parted the sea and walked though the desert.

 

We as humans are very much like Jesus, we can heal the poor in hospitals, we can feed the poor though welfare and we can part waters by building bridges or tunnels or even by flying or sailing, we can also be tolerant and accepting of other people.

 

 

Taking a book written centuries ago is not going to work in modern society as we're vastly different than we were back then, a lot of people criticise Islam for taking the Quran too literal so Christians shouldn't take the Bible too literal.

 

To me there's no difference between radical Muslims and radical Christians, both are extremists and they are not what everyone of that religion believes is right.

 

I'm indifferent when it comes to religion, I do not need it in my life so I choose to not partake in any specific religion. However I have no issue with religion as a concept or any specific religions.

As someone who was adopted by a gay couple, I can tell you that concerns over excessive bullying (at least for me) are somewhat unfounded. I have never once been teased, bullied or otherwise inconvenienced because I have two mothers. Most of my friends actually thought that was awesome. Of course, I live in California, so results may vary.

From that, their isn't really any evidence that gay couples are worse parents, and there is some evidence pointing to them being better parents. Why? Because a heterosexual couple's only requirement to have a child is forgetting a condom. A homosexual couple has to be reviewed by the state when they decide they are ready for a child, and then can adopt one.

And on the religious argument, I'm sorry, but trying to determine public policy on a small section of Leviticus is ridiculous. I have a feeling that a law banning the kindling of fire on Sunday, shaving of ones sideburns, or legally mandated circumcision wouldn't go down too well, and all of those things are in Leviticus.

You do realize you've contradicted yourself multiple times throughout this post, right? 

 

"The Bible is a book about how to live life" I've never met anyone who truly lives by it. 

 

"I feel has all the answers you can think of." So why don't you have an answer to whether or not it was changed. 

 

"The bibles have predict evens that no other bibles can!" Incorrect my friend. Not only that but no prediction has been made in the bible. Unless it has EXACT dates and names, it was not a prediction, just a coincidence 

 

"It's not our jobs to judge" You do realize you're statement on gay marriage is judging, correct? 

 

"Now look crazy storms, earthquakes, animals dieing out, more sick crimes" That sounds like the cycle the earth goes through numerous times, animals are dying out because of humanity and more sick crimes? There was a time when chopping someones head off was a public event. So many murders and what not have been in the name of god. 

 

"this world is going to trash and its not getting better!" Well clearly, but I can assure you, legalizing gay marriage isn't going to speed up the process.

 

"remember again God is love and have mercy on us" If he is love why are so many people hateful in the name of religion? It's not very godlike of you. 

 

"I hope this answers it" It's literally answered nothing. 

 

I'm sure I could dig farther in and continue to list parts of your post that are completely irrelevant but I don't care THAT much. 

 

wow answering alot of questions today lol

 

okay lets starts off in this one

 

1) "The Bible is a book about how to live life" I've never met anyone who truly lives by it.")

 

WE are born in sin and because of that we are distant from god! in this times and era its hard and you cant just expect to be perfect because im a chirstian! the lord says the only perfect one is Jesus christ when he walk as a man on this world! so yea! for examples Laws who really follow them! theres big ones and huge ones!  just because you cant follow them 100 percent dont mean Screw it il just break it all :)

 

2) "I feel has all the answers you can think of." So why don't you have an answer to whether or not it was changed.

 

I cant answer something i dont know! its like asking how was the world made from nothing? can you asnwer that. please dont mention the big bang theroy lol even Science said it was a crazy theory :)

 

3) "The bibles have predict evens that no other bibles can!" Incorrect my friend. Not only that but no prediction has been made in the bible. Unless it has EXACT dates and names, it was not a prediction, just a coincidence

 

 

There is no such things as coincidence everything happens for a reason! theres a reason why everyone is here! everyone have a job and a purpose! and still many of us is will looking and trying to discover our purpose! the lord says he will never forsake us !!!! look at all the events in life :) you cant just think its all coincidence like come on mannnnnn!

 

4) "It's not our jobs to judge" You do realize you're statement on gay marriage is judging, correct?

 

Im not judging im just stateing on something i feel !! for example! me telling someone i dont think you should kill in god names isnt judging !!! at this point i just think you trying to shut me down dont know why lol its just a little debate topic which i like! :) my post isnt bashing anyone or making anyone feel bad! and if it is please let me know!

 

5) "this world is going to trash and its not getting better!" Well clearly, but I can assure you, legalizing gay marriage isn't going to speed up the process.

 

the world is going to trash! so many kids killing there family , so many women gettings kidnapped and becoming sex workers , infants gettings killed on a every day thing now, alot of parents cant control there  kids , and alot of kids doing things and getting mixed up with the wrong people more,,,, Weathers patterns that now destory towns and citys...  do you relieze its all sin that causing it!!! everything that the lord said not to do is whats causing death! did i mean that towards gays? no i didnt mean that! thats why i went off topic a little! but everything adds up !!! it starts a chain of events! for example

 

God made people= people destory gods rules=people try to become god(goverment) =the people try to destory the (goverment)=rules made from the goverment= people rebels against them!  dont you see the chains??? 

 

 

 

 

6) "remember again God is love and have mercy on us" If he is love why are so many people hateful in the name of religion? It's not very godlike of you.

 

Im not into religion im into faith!  Religion is when people have to do things to get to god!  as a christian you cant work to earn to get to god! you have to have faith)  remember that! so basiclly i have answered all your answers :)

 

 

BTW not everyone is the same there are the normal christians and then there are the Extreme just like Islam normal ones that are peaceful and the Extreme ones that will kill and destroy nations! :) just like gays there are nice ones and onces that will take a man by force ,,,, BTw that would really hurt ouch :(

@NicoliaB Exactly, I believe these were originally stories to help you live your life by and then they were took way to literally.

Personally I am fine with religion and I usually have no problems with it, but I don't care what you think of me. If you have not realized by now, I am an atheist. I always viewed "hell" as a scare tactic like to me jesus does not seem like a very kind person it's like he is basically saying "YOU MUST LOVE ME OR I WILL FUCKING BURN YOU". That is my view, Again I have no problem with Christians,  And don't try and pull that I'm going to hell shit or that I worship the devil. I don't because I do not believe in any religion and Satan is part of Christianity.

Edited May 28, 201312 yr by Hilth0

Umm, actually I've never heard GOD saying anything. Maybe am I deaf? I don't think so, it has to be another thing...

1 more contradiction. This ones quite common though. 

 

"I have nothing against gays or them getting married just as long its not push under god" 

You can't say you have NOTHING against gays and then go on to say they shouldn't be equal to you. 

 

 

they are equal but god didnt give the okay! the state gave the okay! its like saying,,, why cant a guy walk around naked and show his ding dong around the world!  hes a nudist but people think of him as a Prev so now the state says you can walk around naked but now you start to proclaim in god name i can walk around naked.... like you can't just do that! another example using u torrent to download movies but then tell people and proclaim you bought it from best buy or video world ! you can't proclaim something if it wasnt from there! another example i love my chevy camaro ss thank god honda made it!! you just cant do that! its all equal no matter what! if you want a chevy go to GM  if you want a Honda go to Honda dealer.............Basiccly the point is! the person that made it okay it should be under that area! its still equal .. heres a great one :)

 

 

If the state says the speed limit is 50 mph and you decide to go 100 mph you cant say  new jersery states its okay but your in new york! its just following the wrong  owners of the laws lol

Umm, actually I've never heard GOD saying anything. Maybe am I deaf? I don't think so, it has to be another thing...

 

lol

wow answering alot of questions today lol

 

okay lets starts off in this one

 

1) "The Bible is a book about how to live life" I've never met anyone who truly lives by it.")

 

WE are born in sin and because of that we are distant from god! in this times and era its hard and you cant just expect to be perfect because im a chirstian! the lord says the only perfect one is Jesus christ when he walk as a man on this world! so yea! for examples Laws who really follow them! theres big ones and huge ones!  just because you cant follow them 100 percent dont mean Screw it il just break it all :)

 

2) "I feel has all the answers you can think of." So why don't you have an answer to whether or not it was changed.

 

I cant answer something i dont know! its like asking how was the world made from nothing? can you asnwer that. please dont mention the big bang theroy lol even Science said it was a crazy theory :)

 

3) "The bibles have predict evens that no other bibles can!" Incorrect my friend. Not only that but no prediction has been made in the bible. Unless it has EXACT dates and names, it was not a prediction, just a coincidence

 

 

There is no such things as coincidence everything happens for a reason! theres a reason why everyone is here! everyone have a job and a purpose! and still many of us is will looking and trying to discover our purpose! the lord says he will never forsake us !!!! look at all the events in life :) you cant just think its all coincidence like come on mannnnnn!

 

4) "It's not our jobs to judge" You do realize you're statement on gay marriage is judging, correct?

 

Im not judging im just stateing on something i feel !! for example! me telling someone i dont think you should kill in god names isnt judging !!! at this point i just think you trying to shut me down dont know why lol its just a little debate topic which i like! :) my post isnt bashing anyone or making anyone feel bad! and if it is please let me know!

 

5) "this world is going to trash and its not getting better!" Well clearly, but I can assure you, legalizing gay marriage isn't going to speed up the process.

 

the world is going to trash! so many kids killing there family , so many women gettings kidnapped and becoming sex workers , infants gettings killed on a every day thing now, alot of parents cant control there  kids , and alot of kids doing things and getting mixed up with the wrong people more,,,, Weathers patterns that now destory towns and citys...  do you relieze its all sin that causing it!!! everything that the lord said not to do is whats causing death! did i mean that towards gays? no i didnt mean that! thats why i went off topic a little! but everything adds up !!! it starts a chain of events! for example

 

God made people= people destory gods rules=people try to become god(goverment) =the people try to destory the (goverment)=rules made from the goverment= people rebels against them!  dont you see the chains??? 

 

 

 

 

6) "remember again God is love and have mercy on us" If he is love why are so many people hateful in the name of religion? It's not very godlike of you.

 

Im not into religion im into faith!  Religion is when people have to do things to get to god!  as a christian you cant work to earn to get to god! you have to have faith)  remember that! so basiclly i have answered all your answers :)

 

 

BTW not everyone is the same there are the normal christians and then there are the Extreme just like Islam normal ones that are peaceful and the Extreme ones that will kill and destroy nations! :) just like gays there are nice ones and onces that will take a man by force ,,,, BTw that would really hurt ouch :(

 

Here's why I don't like religion being brought into MY life, why I don't like people putting their beliefs where they don't belong. I wanted to believe in god, I wanted to enjoy these "gifts" everyone would talk about. Then I learned that people believe something so tainted by mankind. "LOVE EVERYONE!" Except these people those people and oh yeah, don't forget them. If I was made in gods image, he would honestly have to be a little bit gay. Well that's the logical thinking but unfortunately people are so blinded by an outdated book of stories. Most of which can be interpreted a million and one ways. 

 

I don't believe that god said let there be light and all of that jazz. Science has proof and is willing to continue to back it. If you're not an extremist I suggest you study and read up on a few things. Check out evolution, that's a pretty cool one! 

 

You didn't actually come back with anything groundbreaking when it came to number 3. Like I said, exact names and dates and then I'll believe it. 

 

If you're willing to say that gays shouldn't be able to marry in the name of god then you ARE in fact judging. Whether you can see it or not. I'm sure quite a few could tell you the same. Say I marry in a church under the name of god, wouldn't it be between ME and GOD. Wouldn't I have to find out later on whether or not it was okay? Is me getting married to another man going to crumble your beliefs? 

 

Also, complete avoidance and some rambling on number 5 and yes gays are thrown into your mix of sins. You've also changed your thought son sin a few times now. Just a heads up. 

 

I would like to have faith, however I won't follow someone who doesn't love me 100%. I wouldn't follow someone who would condemn a soul for something like sexuality. 

 

Not once did I say you're an extremist or a 'normal' christian. 

 

Also, your post is semi offensive, at least to me. Because once again I'm being told that because of who I love I'm a sinner and also this is sorta a bad time for a gay joke...

 

But on a side note I'd like to attempt to end this. Me and you are on completely different spectrum's when it comes to beliefs and I know from experience that neither of us are going to budge on our beliefs. I wouldn't want either of us to leave with a bad taste in our mouth. I do respect you for having faith and believing in God, however equality is something I'm very passionate about and I will fight for it. One way or the other, this isn't the way to fight for it. Just remember that your words can be harmful and with LGBT youth already feeling attacked, it's not good to add to the problem. We loose to many good kids to suicide as it is. As a final thought to @newyorkswat, I've studied the bible and I've practiced many religions. Perhaps you could take a step in someone else's shoes and expand your mind because "life without knowledge is death in disguise".

 

 

Here's my interwebz handshake *shake* Thanks for actually reading what I've had to say. :)

Here's why I don't like religion being brought into MY life, why I don't like people putting their beliefs where they don't belong. I wanted to believe in god, I wanted to enjoy these "gifts" everyone would talk about. Then I learned that people believe something so tainted by mankind. "LOVE EVERYONE!" Except these people those people and oh yeah, don't forget them. If I was made in gods image, he would honestly have to be a little bit gay. Well that's the logical thinking but unfortunately people are so blinded by an outdated book of stories. Most of which can be interpreted a million and one ways. 

 

I don't believe that god said let there be light and all of that jazz. Science has proof and is willing to continue to back it. If you're not an extremist I suggest you study and read up on a few things. Check out evolution, that's a pretty cool one! 

 

You didn't actually come back with anything groundbreaking when it came to number 3. Like I said, exact names and dates and then I'll believe it. 

 

If you're willing to say that gays shouldn't be able to marry in the name of god then you ARE in fact judging. Whether you can see it or not. I'm sure quite a few could tell you the same. Say I marry in a church under the name of god, wouldn't it be between ME and GOD. Wouldn't I have to find out later on whether or not it was okay? Is me getting married to another man going to crumble your beliefs? 

 

Also, complete avoidance and some rambling on number 5 and yes gays are thrown into your mix of sins. You've also changed your thought son sin a few times now. Just a heads up. 

 

I would like to have faith, however I won't follow someone who doesn't love me 100%. I wouldn't follow someone who would condemn a soul for something like sexuality. 

 

Not once did I say you're an extremist or a 'normal' christian. 

 

Also, your post is semi offensive, at least to me. Because once again I'm being told that because of who I love I'm a sinner and also this is sorta a bad time for a gay joke...

 

But on a side note I'd like to attempt to end this. Me and you are on completely different spectrum's when it comes to beliefs and I know from experience that neither of us are going to budge on our beliefs. I wouldn't want either of us to leave with a bad taste in our mouth. I do respect you for having faith and believing in God, however equality is something I'm very passionate about and I will fight for it. One way or the other, this isn't the way to fight for it. Just remember that your words can be harmful and with LGBT youth already feeling attacked, it's not good to add to the problem. We loose to many good kids to suicide as it is. As a final thought to @newyorkswat, I've studied the bible and I've practiced many religions. Perhaps you could take a step in someone else's shoes and expand your mind because "life without knowledge is death in disguise".

 

 

Here's my interwebz handshake *shake* Thanks for actually reading what I've had to say. :)

 

Dude we are all sinners! no one is perfect man! to be honest i love the way you debated lol  it was fun!  im in College going for criminal justice and i love debates class! its very intense...as long is dont get nasty where people wants to hate and try to bash people in! i hope you wasn't heated up during the talk! and tend to have more debates!!! TBh this was the first online debate that didnt turn into a flaming war lol !!!! and the joke was to break the tension if they was! :)