On the flip side of the church view or religion my opinion is this... LIFE itself is against it. Reason being, the purpose of male-female attraction and being is to procreate; keeping life going... so this debate  and any other can go on for the next 100 years and beyond. Humans are not designed to live a sexual life with that of the same sex, because no life can come of it. I’m not saying they can't make it work, but I am saying it’s obvious we were never intended to live as homosexuals. Example, if everyone in the world made it a point and decided to be heterosexual for the next 100yrs.... by the 110th year it would be starting all over again; a new generation, making the choice as to repeat the experiment. Now, let's say everyone in the world decided to be gay from this point on....to be homosexual... for the next 100yrs.... by the 110th year mankind would be extinct...so that said... I kind of think LIFE made the choice already. It's still a lot to be discussed with sensitivity of both sides, but in the end I think aside from money, medicines, and technology, trying desperately to call natural something that is obviously unnatural from a science stands point, can be just as dangerous as some having to suppress their feeling out of risk of being judged. One thing we have to keep in mind is not to make it "trendy" to look at people that only believe heterosexual relationships as wrong.

 

Anyway there aren't so many homosexuals in the world to put at risk the human existence, it's like saying that all the couples or single who haven't got any childs should have them.

 

I don't understand the point of growing childs in their "enviroment". I don't think they would have different styles of lives than the heterosexual people have. Is it because these child would have a father and a mother? then single (divorced, widow/er) people can't raise childrens?   I understand that these childs would probably be mocked at school, but that's a problem in the society general thought. If homosexuals would be accepted by the whole society as just normal people, these problems wouldn't happen.

Personnally I have nothing against people that are gay or even care unless it comes cross me and my family, God wanted man and woman to be together not adam and steve. but again sin is sin and its all the same! just a different way of sin so. in my  overall answer. its not my busniess but they shouuldnt be marry under god! its wrong! it should be under State or ust legelly joined,, marriage is something for man and woman to become one, a promise that shouldnt be broken, which is more then a promise to one and each other but also  towards god to be with one!........................

 

 

 

The issue with that is that homosexuality is present in nature, and isn't generally considered to be a "choice". Rather, it's how you're wired - you don't decide to be gay, you're born gay.

 

I was born straight, but what if in ten years I'm a flaming out-going full-on lover of dudes? I wasn't born gay, so it must have been a choice later in life. Just like if someone is born gay, and then decides to be straight, they made a choice. Some people might find it harder to determine their road of sexuality, and I'd have to just say it's most likely somebody's hormones out of whack, because like it's been said, science and life make it obvious this wasn't the way it was meant to work, but it's also evident today everybody being born is being born in worse health, each and each time. The human body is becoming more and more imperfect, probably due to all the industry, pollution and food-habits that we or our past family was brought up in. But that could just spew out a 1,001 more conversations couldn't it.

 

talk about a rando topic to start up / make a thread for

 

 

 

The issue with that is that homosexuality is present in nature, and isn't generally considered to be a "choice". Rather, it's how you're wired - you don't decide to be gay, you're born gay.

 

^" Rather, it's how you're wired - you don't decide to be gay, you're born gay"

 

and I know what is widely assumed what causes it both guys and girls in the science world and how they are possibly wired that way from birth  thnkz to taken bio courses/ science courses my last semester ( this past semster )  at college

 

but due to the age of people on this web site it is way to graphic / detailed to get into

 

The issue with that is that homosexuality is present in nature, and isn't generally considered to be a "choice". Rather, it's how you're wired - you don't decide to be gay, you're born gay.

 

 

I do understand your point, however being "born" with two hands, or your twins head joined to yours does not make it natural because it happen in nature, but rather something happened in the womb that caused the growth process to go astray. But I do understand your point, unfortunately that is a whole other conversation, the "are you born gay or did your choose to be" lol

In reponse to that intolerance of the arabic/muslim people refered in other posts, I don't think it's necessary to point that you can't generalize about it. I've studied with muslim people and there were such a great and tolerant persons. However, I have to agree about that there's lately increasing the number of radicals and people preaching these extremist beliefs.

talk about a rando topic to start up / make a thread for

 

That was the whole point, I wanted to start up a discussion/debate! Seems to have worked well so far!

I'm essentially libertarian, so people have the right to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others. While I don't see the point of marriage (to me it's simply a title), no one should be denied it. Homosexuality happens in nature, and like most of my other views, passing laws against it won't make it go away.

 

I also find it almost funny that the part of the bible that is against homosexuality is also against things like talking to women on their time of the month.

Anyway there aren't so many homosexuals in the world to put at risk the human existence, it's like saying that all the couples or single who haven't got any childs should have them.

 

I don't understand the point of growing childs in their "enviroment". I don't think they would have different styles of lives than the heterosexual people have. Is it because these child would have a father and a mother? then single (divorced, widow/er) people can't raise childrens?   I understand that these childs would probably be mocked at school, but that's a problem in the society general thought. If homosexuals would be accepted by the whole society as just normal people, these problems wouldn't happen.

 

"Anyway there aren't so many homosexuals in the world to put at risk the human existence, it's like saying that all the couples or single who haven't got any childs should have them."

 

I wouldn’t say that was a actuate comparison because unless 2 of the same sex short of not being able to have kids....if the couple or single decided to get a mate and have them they could. Now if suddenly no one could have kids anymore, that would justify something being wrong, born that way or not.

I also find it almost funny that the part of the bible that is against homosexuality is also against things like talking to women on their time of the month.

 

Socially, perhaps it might be better for the man's sake! Never mess with a woman's hormones.

 

Isn't it also against eating certain foods and wearing certain items of clothing?

 

Socially, perhaps it might be better for the man's sake! Never mess with a woman's hormones.

 

Isn't it also against eating certain foods and wearing certain items of clothing?

 

 

Yeah, it is. I know one of them is not eating meat on Friday. But enough bible bashing for me on this thread

In reponse to that intolerance of the arabic/muslim people refered in other posts, I don't think it's necessary to point that you can't generalize about it. I've studied with muslim people and there were such a great and tolerant persons. However, I have to agree about that there's lately increasing the number of radicals and people preaching these extremist beliefs.

I'm sorry if my post came across as intolerant. I was referring to the bad apples who make the entire community look bad. One of my friends in my criminal justice class is Iranian so I was definitly not generalizing. The same can be said about extreme right groups who make our community seem racist and intolerant.

I don't care if it gets passed or not. Really doesn't effect me at all...

 

I'm just sick of going every where I go and having people preach to me about why they are right.... Its another thing when people come to your door step and start preaching to you nothing piss's me off more then that....

Edited May 27, 201312 yr by Darkangel

I'm essentially libertarian, so people have the right to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others. While I don't see the point of marriage (to me it's simply a title), no one should be denied it. Homosexuality happens in nature, and like most of my other views, passing laws against it won't make it go away.

 

I also find it almost funny that the part of the bible that is against homosexuality is also against things like talking to women on their time of the month.

 

This. The bill has just been passed here in France, but protesters said they will keep demonstrating against it, so I guess people will never agree on that matter. Mentalities need to change. Personally, I can't see where the problem is.

Edited May 27, 201312 yr by Sgt. Jackson

Let people do what they want to do.

I think it should be banned because GOD wanted Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I'm just going by the Bible.

That is YOUR religion, YOU have to follow those rules, not everybody has to follow what "your" religion says.

That is YOUR religion, YOU have to follow those rules, not everybody has to follow what "your" religion says.

 

This. There's nothing that pisses me off more than when the religion tries to impose their rules in the society. Apart from the fact that religion and State should be separated -and even more in a democratic country-, not all the people is religious or follow the same religions. And recently, with the church and diverse religions sticking the nose where it doesn't belong (abortion, use of preservatives, if I don't have to hear music because is something the infidels do...), I'm started to feel a big repulse against them (note: not against the people who has these beliefs or their beliefs. While they don't intrude on my life). But that's another matter.

I think it should be banned because GOD wanted Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I'm just going by the Bible.

WWW.Reddit.com/r/atheism

Those guys would love you.

meh just don't push your sexuality or religious beliefs onto me or others...I find this topic in todays world the LEAST of our worries...we have far more serious stuff going on then gay rights and I find it wrong for gay couples to adopt....it would just be horrific to not have a mom and a dad....sometimes you need to talk to a mom and other times you have to talk to a dad

This topic hits home for me. It's sad to see that some people have a bigoted mindset to the LGBT agenda due to thinking that their beliefs should be everyone's beliefs. 

 

Hopefully those like ast trooper will realize that same sex couples are.. y'know.. people. Who are you to decided who I'm allowed to marry? It's not like I'm shoving my marriage down your god damn throat.