1 hour ago, Back12 said:

How is it scummy to post a private conversation but not scummy to scam people left and right. We are only trying to show the facts cause if we didn't yall would be saying ok where are the messages. 

It is scummy to scam as well, I'm not defending him, I want to see him gone as much as the rest of us do. However we have to have ample factual evidence to do so.

1 minute ago, Joe C Wilson said:

Let's be clear here. Using leaked content has occurred, but since he purchased a different model before or after he got caught that makes it right? No developer in their right mind would allow that buyer to use their parts from that point forward. Using leaked parts whether he rightfully purchased them or not is against ToS, and it is clear a rule was broken. Purchasing content does not justify him using the leaked content in question. You are also doubling down on your point where you stated private conversations do not belong here, but here you are quoting between the seller and yourself. If you decry how screenshots are not advised when relevant, but specify that you are not defending ED, it seems like you are not being constructive in this topic.

Quoting vs posting a screenshot of a whole private DM is two entirely different things, as it seems your logic fails to comprehend. At the end of the day we all want to see him gone, yet you are failing to see the point. The reason he has been able to continue is the fact that LSPDFR continues to give him a platform and people sell parts to him still. I disagree with if you've purchased parts and if you do something they don't like in general you can't use them (not talking about leaking) it would be the same as if the manufacturer of your car didn't like what you did with it and took it back. I despise leaking and can't stand it, as I actively search for leakers and ban them and submit them to PTD and so on. You clearly don't know who I am, but that is fine let just be clear that we are all on the same side here.

10 minutes ago, Davenport Outlaws said:

Quoting vs posting a screenshot of a whole private DM is two entirely different things, as it seems your logic fails to comprehend. At the end of the day we all want to see him gone, yet you are failing to see the point. The reason he has been able to continue is the fact that LSPDFR continues to give him a platform and people sell parts to him still. I disagree with if you've purchased parts and if you do something they don't like in general you can't use them (not talking about leaking) it would be the same as if the manufacturer of your car didn't like what you did with it and took it back. I despise leaking and can't stand it, as I actively search for leakers and ban them and submit them to PTD and so on. You clearly don't know who I am, but that is fine let just be clear that we are all on the same side here.

I'd agree with you on this entire post, but you did not have to include the attitude. Thanks for making your point much more complicated when there was no reason to.

12 minutes ago, Davenport Outlaws said:

It is scummy to scam as well, I'm not defending him, I want to see him gone as much as the rest of us do. However we have to have ample factual evidence to do so.

Quoting vs posting a screenshot of a whole private DM is two entirely different things, as it seems your logic fails to comprehend. At the end of the day we all want to see him gone, yet you are failing to see the point. The reason he has been able to continue is the fact that LSPDFR continues to give him a platform and people sell parts to him still. I disagree with if you've purchased parts and if you do something they don't like in general you can't use them (not talking about leaking) it would be the same as if the manufacturer of your car didn't like what you did with it and took it back. I despise leaking and can't stand it, as I actively search for leakers and ban them and submit them to PTD and so on. You clearly don't know who I am, but that is fine let just be clear that we are all on the same side here.

I spoke with Razer about this in October of last year. ED posted a picture of his modifications to razers TRX on Facebook. I sent a screenshot to razer and he confirmed that it was is trx, noting that ED was banned a while ago and should not have access to it. I know what he's done because I've witnessed it first hand. I can't speak on GM because I don't know what exactly happened but if youre saying that he had access to his models when he wasn't supposed to then paid when he got caught well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck well then it's a.....  Fact of the matter is, the guy is a POS and needs to go.

 

He's gotten away with it for far too long and it's communities like this who won't do crap because it'll be lost revenue. 

 

Funny how I get "warned" for links in my descriptions but his are still up. It's a double standard and selective enforcement at best. 

20 minutes ago, Rabbit GTA V Development said:

I spoke with Razer about this in October of last year. ED posted a picture of his modifications to razers TRX on Facebook. I sent a screenshot to razer and he confirmed that it was is trx, noting that ED was banned a while ago and should not have access to it. I know what he's done because I've witnessed it first hand. I can't speak on GM because I don't know what exactly happened but if youre saying that he had access to his models when he wasn't supposed to then paid when he got caught well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck well then it's a.....  Fact of the matter is, the guy is a POS and needs to go.

 

He's gotten away with it for far too long and it's communities like this who won't do crap because it'll be lost revenue. 

 

Funny how I get "warned" for links in my descriptions but his are still up. It's a double standard and selective enforcement at best. 

Grime even brought that up in regards to his links are still up. It's almost as if they protect him.

1 hour ago, Parzival.Zio said:

Offtopic: I have not seen your vehicles in here anymore. Did you removed?

Yea he removed everything from this website.  You can find his stuff over in Modification Universe

1 hour ago, Flacko809 said:

Yea he removed everything from this website.  You can find his stuff over in Modification Universe

I am in that forum and I love Rabbit's vehicle, way better than EmergencyDistributors.

I deleted all of ED's vehicles on my lists and only have Rabbit's vehicles. I do have other dev's vehicles too.

damn yall someone else probably a moderator deleted my comment and his... like stand behind what you say for crying out loud. He knows he was wrong.

8 minutes ago, Back12 said:

damn yall someone else probably a moderator deleted my comment and his... like stand behind what you say for crying out loud. He knows he was wrong.

I hope so. Because there won't be a second chance coming around.

I'm going to wrap this thread up with our response and what we did, and what we will continue to do going forward.

 

Any mention of selling products on LCPDFR.com is not allowed. This was already a well standing guideline, but was loosely enforced. The loose enforcement was on us.

There will be strong enforcement of this going forward, and numerous authors that were brought to our attention were asked to remove any non-contextual/advertising links. Links which are relevant to the file, like an author's support Discord or donation links which are contextual to the file (e.g. not offering or promoting services) are still allowed.

Nobody has had their files removed by us for non-compliance, as most files brought to our attention are now in compliance with this guideline. Nobody was issued with any formal warnings, we gave authors a heads up on their files being out of compliance and a grace period was given to change them.

We continue to discuss the exact scope of this internally, to ensure we strike the right balance. We want to remain fair and impartial, which is why these changes impacted more than just the concerned author. Our current rules bring us into alignment with other leading modding platforms and communities.

If anyone feels any files are out of compliance with this guideline or have been missed, you are encouraged to report it. External links are stil allowed provided they are contextual to the file (e.g. support Discord) and not advertising goods or services using the description.

 

As of the time of writing this post and throughout the history of this topic:

• We did not receive any reports or e-mails regarding the concerned author leaking assets on LCPDFR.com or them using leaked assets on LCPDFR.com. No complaints were received in connection to leaked assets.
• We did not receive any reports or e-mails regarding custom orders/purchases that were made via our private message system, or any other private messages regarding the concerned author.
• We did not remove any replies or comments on this thread. (Edit: One post has been removed per request of the user who made it.)
• We received complaints of credits being wrong on the concerned authors' files as well as other users' files. Most of these have been addressed, but there are a few still being worked through our moderation queue.

 

A large sticking point of this thread, and the past, is that we will not act based on what happens outside of LCPDFR.com. There's a few reasons for this, reliability and verification of what happens on external platforms being a large one. This has caused controversy before, and will cause controversy again, but we moderate and administrate LCPDFR.com - we act on what happens here. We only have our "birds eye view" with our moderation tools and investigation tools on this platform.

In this case, our loose moderation of our advertising guidelines has contributed to this situation and going forward, that's what we're focussing on improving. We can - and do - moderate actions on LCPDFR.com, not external platforms.

 

This is our final response to this topic, and I understand it won't satisfy everyone. We aren't going far enough for some. We have kept this thread open to allow community discussion around what happened, and we even have overlooked people breaking a few of our rules in the process (e.g. mod theft accusations and off-site drama). I think it's a little contradictory for us to keep this open when a lot of people would argue the whole thing may have been made worse because we didn't enforce our rules in the first place. For this reason, and also for the reason this is our final response to this matter, this thread will be closed. My message box is open for those wanting to discuss this further.