Where there might be one person boycotting, there are 100 more 14 year olds with XBOX's to replace you. Boycotting may make you feel better, but it won't work. I boycotted Modern Warfare 2 with my friends due to the fact that there are no dedicated servers. Black Ops 2 appears to be the same, and is one of the two main reasons I will not buy it, but wasn't the only thing that affected my decision. Activision & Infinity Ward called the PC community a "very loud minority" when questioned about the PC community's uprising against the lack of dedicated servers. They are extremely disrespectful in saying that, but also absolutely correct in saying that. Such is the way of consumer demand. They could cast us aside completely and still make billions.

Where did you get that statistic?

I've never had a game take 5 hours to install, ever, even an MMO I downloaded from STEAM. Most games take about an hour or so. And when the games are downloaded they are being downloaded in a way that requires no setup. There's less compression so that is why it may take longer. Being lazy isn't a valid excuse to pirate. If anything, saying that just makes people who pirate look like scumbags. I played ripped games when I was a little kid before I was old enough to have a job. And do you know how many of those games I went out and bought after in a noble effort to give the developers money for their hard work? Zero. Even when I had a job. Zero.

because its true, any pirate that I know buys the game game after he/she tries it.

OK, good for you. That's not how piracy tends to work. If what you're saying were true, there would be a LOT more PC game sales.

@someone wondering about why they might not release on PC due to piracy: Not only does it take time, effort, and money to make a PC game (even a shitty port costs money), but there is also the risk that someone who would buy on Xbox would instead pirate on PC. So, PC piracy can cut into console sales.

The basic is they startet working it out for PC and they will make a PC version because they learned much more today about how to protect their games

Im starting to think non of you here know anything about cracked games. (I dont torrent games)

Everytime a game comes out it gets harder and harder to be able to torrent, actually I think they made a game that was almost impossible to torrent, because of some new software they are using. I wouldnt be suprise if in the next 3 years it will be 99.99% impossible to torrent. ( say 99.99% because I don't think anything is impossible) When you torrent a game your IP is giving out to hundreds of people to use... Know what you can do with a IP? You can hack onto their computer get all there info and also hack it and virus it and what not. With the game Dishonored, its one of the hardest games to crack and to torrent. Even though their are torrents of it, it still was extremely hard for them to crack it.

Also Rockstar said them self's they are going to make it for the PC, but only after they finish for Xbox and PS3....

well i got nfs most wanted the day it came out lol for free

as far as the wii u goes the president of nintendo america mr fitshume i think said there is a good change gta v will be on wii u

They will never stop piracy, no matter how hard they try. The amount of money thrown at "anti-piracy" techniques is probably comparable to the amount they loose to pirates. And the more they try, the worse methods they come up with.

"Let's limit the times it can be installed"

"Let's add some crapware that has to be run 24/7 and tracks info irrelevant to our product"

"Let's prosecute the people downloading it rather than go after those cracking and uploading it" (ulers are not dumb enough to get caught)

"Let's push laws to censor the internet. After all, we do fund these politicians" (admittedly Hollywood and the music industry, not gaming industry, yet)

I am becoming less and less sympathetic with every DRM method they come up with. It is hard to sympathise with the developers who have to do all the hard work, stick to difficult schedules and rush ports, when the publishers are trying to squeeze a title for every penny, even if it kills the title.

I have seen so many titles ruined by publishers and so many development studios go under.

On the note of the virus that is DRM, I was installing GRUB on a HDD that previously had a Win install on it. GRUB warned about "FlexNet" occupying sectors 32 & 33. It is some DRM crap used by Adobe, it embeds itself inside the space on the HDD that is for the MBR. More virus than "anti-piracy".

I have seen so many titles ruined by publishers and so many development studios go under.

I can fully agree on this point.

I bought NFS Most Wanted on PC the other day and it was such an uneeded hassle.

Instead installing normally, EA pushed its fat ass in the way. When you click "install" it actually launches the shitty spyware Origin which THEN starts "copying from disc" which takes a god awful amount of time, then it installs the files it copied over from the disc, rendering the point for the disc absolutely useless.

Then it took a good half hour to actually get the damn thing to load, Origin has shitty customer support (probably because its by EA), the phone lines are expensive and the live chat doesn't even work.

I miss the old days where you could pop a disc into your drive, install it and play within 30 minutes, none of this external shit.

I can fully agree on this point.

I bought NFS Most Wanted on PC the other day and it was such an uneeded hassle.

Instead installing normally, EA pushed its fat ass in the way. When you click "install" it actually launches the shitty spyware Origin which THEN starts "copying from disc" which takes a god awful amount of time, then it installs the files it copied over from the disc, rendering the point for the disc absolutely useless.

Then it took a good half hour to actually get the damn thing to load, Origin has shitty customer support (probably because its by EA), the phone lines are expensive and the live chat doesn't even work.

I miss the old days where you could pop a disc into your drive, install it and play within 30 minutes, none of this external shit.

Origin is a huge piece of shit, I had to deal with it for Star Wars : The Old Republic, and even Battlefield : 3.... So many problems come of it just to try to stop piracy... It's bullshit to be honest, what happen to the good ol' days that you would go to GameStop & EB Games or BestBuy and BUY a physical disc...none of this download times and stuff, pop the disc in, install the files, play the game... have an issue? uninstall and reinstall from disc!

Blah! Hate all this digital crap!

Im starting to think non of you here know anything about cracked games. (I dont torrent games)

Everytime a game comes out it gets harder and harder to be able to torrent, actually I think they made a game that was almost impossible to torrent, because of some new software they are using. I wouldnt be suprise if in the next 3 years it will be 99.99% impossible to torrent. ( say 99.99% because I don't think anything is impossible) When you torrent a game your IP is giving out to hundreds of people to use... Know what you can do with a IP? You can hack onto their computer get all there info and also hack it and virus it and what not. With the game Dishonored, its one of the hardest games to crack and to torrent. Even though their are torrents of it, it still was extremely hard for them to crack it.

Also Rockstar said them self's they are going to make it for the PC, but only after they finish for Xbox and PS3....

It doesn't matter how hard it is to crack. Once anyone cracks it, it's over. Making one is indeed difficult, but once it's made, it is generally very easy to install (just replace a couple executables and you're set; if it's more complicated, they'll often have an install script). It's actually easier than *legally* installing a lot of recent games. And if you think there is copy protection that *no one* will break, you clearly haven't spent enough time on the Internet. People are smart, and if there is a way to break copy protection (and there always is), someone will find it.

As for the IPs:

Well, to start with, "to virus" isn't a real verb. Also, if I torrent a game, and the publisher then hacks into my computer, *they've* just committed an extremely serious crime, which has far, far higher penalties than anything I did. Piracy is a civil matter; hacking is a felony, and it's a lot easier to track down a game publisher than a torrenter.

And, of course, if I am at a Starbucks, you can't track an IP address to me. Same thing applies if I have a standard home Internet connection: your IP address changes not too infrequently, and it is hard to trace it to an individual customer (you could probably do it with a court order, but you still couldn't do anything without their *current* IP, at which point you'd have to explain why, exactly, you nee it. "I want to commit a felony by hacking them" doesn't count as a reason). And, if I have a good firewall set up, it's really not worth it for them to attack me.

My opinion to all those anti-pirate Securty stuff...Useless

At the End of the Day all those Fancy Anti-Pirate Programms do only punish the honest buyer.. Why is it that pirates just "click 'n play" while i'm forced to log in to 200 Diffrent Devices, need to have (still in some Cases) the DVD in my Drive, Need to be Online, and so on...

I mean seriously.. That makes me believe that i'm actually punished for buying Games instead of being rewarded xD

Anty-piracy detours casual pirates, people who don't know what they're doing. I don't particularly like Origin a whole lot, but it's a necessary evil for developers like EA, just the way is STEAM is for Valve. Anybody who's graduated out of their teen years probably remembers how much people hated STEAM when it first came out. Now it's a service most people love because the game selection is huge, the pricing is great, downloads are quick, customer support is decent and it integrates other features like a chat, screenshot and news system. Realistically, I'd like it if ALL vendors used STEAM so we don't have to have a bunch of competing services like Origin, WeGame, GameStop, Amazon, etc. but they all want to make as much margin on their products as possible, and there's nothing quite like self-distribution to get that done.

To the people who asked "What happened to the days when you could pop a disc in your CD drawer and be playing in 20 minutes with no CD key or DRM?" Those days went after about 10 or so years of you giving your software to friends and family for free and not making them buy their own copies. And now with the popularity of the internet, distribution of ripped software or cracked software is incredibly wide spread. We created this problem ourselves.

Lets think of it this way: If there were a few farmers on the planet who could sell you an apple that could feed you or your family for years, but they were expensive, and incredibly hard to grow. It takes years to grow. And lets say none of your friends could afford it. You'd probably share it with them if you could, wouldn't you? Especially if there were no ramifications at first. Then lets say there's a law created that says you can't do that anymore, but no police officers watch you do it. Knowing that you probably won't get in trouble, you'd still share it wouldn't you? Let's say they take some extra precautions to make sure it's only you who can eat that apple. Maybe they put it in a bucket that requires your hand to pass through the rim of the bucket, and nobody else's. You'd just simple take it out of that protected bucket and then hand it to a friend, wouldn't you? This is piracy as we know it. When there is a will, there is a way. Despite the increasing difficulty of sharing software that's intended for one user, there are always work arounds. I don't think that means software vendors should give up. I think they have the right to protect their property and sell it their way to make sure the company stays in business. What society really needs are honest people. There are very few of those people on this planet, I've found, and the only way to ensure people who might pirate software stay honest these days would be to threaten them with prosecution from a realistic perspective. IE: Getting a cease and desist letter, disconnecting your internet connection or taking you to court. Punishments like that are very real, and they are going to become increasingly frequent with the major US ISP's until the tide is stemmed, or people resort to a basic level of human decency and stop stealing things.

While I understand that a program like Adobe Photoshop going for $800 isn't exactly an average-Joe consumer cost, the software's potential power justifies the expense. And for people who need the editing power but still can't afford it, you have alternatives like GIMP. If there's enough consumer demand, alternative apps and game demos will appear. But instead of developers investing money into those nice solutions, they're investing that money into DRM instead. And if those programs are still too expensive, when customers stop buying it, they'll know why. It's not affordable, and the pricing will adjust accordingly.

Edited November 25, 201213 yr by unr3al

Well.... LCPDFR mod in los santos would me amazing but.. sadly enough we cant get what we wish at all the time but im stil gonna be hoping that it comes for PC version

i dont really care if it comes out for pc or not, if it does, great ill buy it, if it doesnt, great ill still buy it...That my friends is the benefit of having both a console and a pc