22 hours ago, iMalcolm27 said:

Theres a reason why Albo stopped. He understood Bejoijo was giving far more compacted and necessary mods.

Just wanted to point out that this isn't exactly true. Here is a quote from Albo himself:

"It mostly comes down to being busy with other things in my life, as well as LSPDFR becoming less interesting for me having played it for so long and the introduction of frameworks allowing modded GTA5 multiplayer environments (read: FiveM)."

Which can be found here: https://www.lcpdfr.com/forums/topic/87615-open-sourcing-albo1125s-mods-retirement/

Hope This Provides Some Clarity! 

 

7 hours ago, Reddington said:

Forced online has nothing to do with helping to troubleshoot (to my knowledge, anyway).  Online only can be a pain, but is is required for better synchronization between his mods.  I don't know where you're getting the "constant surveillance", but none of that is going on.  If you want surveillance, go to Chill Callouts where the dev collects your machine ID. 

 

It was pinned in his discord server (which i was banned from for asking a solution to the internet thing) that it helped with troubleshooting and that "it's something he wants".

I checked again now and it was changed to ensure compatibility between UB and STP which is annoying but i don't really think you need online for that? I'm not a dev, but plenty of people have mods interacting with each other without needing constant internet. 

I suggested for the update check to be just at game startup not constant, i was banned for that, which seemed a little odd. I know he's not collecting personal info since someone already looked into the code, but it's just ridiculous how he's sensitive about this issue. No one should be forced to connect just to play LSPDFR. Just don't give support if they don't have the proper version and that's it, people have been doing it for a long time.

 

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This sounded familiar, and sure enough, I already replied to you.  Since you chose to ignore me since you know I'm right, I'll repeat it for you.  If you think STP has "useless" features, then you're using STP wrong and not getting the full experience of his mods or LSPDFR.  Myself and many others use every feature STP has to offer and it greatly enhances our game.  I think you need to have another look at the features list of STP, because you're missing out.

 

I ignored you because of that " if their connection is that bad they can't play with Bejoljo's mods, chances are they can't stream/view any form of media" comment. There's a difference between bad connection and an unstable one, everyone is different, you shouldn't assume that people don't have access to civilization just because they can't keep a constant connection just to please Bejoljo's awkward design.

I play with STP when i can, it's overwhelming to the point that you start to ignore some of it's features. Plus it conflicts with other mods that offer the same stuff (animal control for Wilderness Callouts and virtually every single service offered by albo's mods), sometimes it seems like a compilation of every other mod that came before. I don't wanna replace mods with Bejoljo's STP or Ultimate Backup, but since he left the website i think he's been on this "crusade" against i dunno, other modders or whatever. Considering his rude behavior against other fellow modders i wouldn't be surprised.

Also, telling people you're playing GTA or LSPDFR wrong goes against what this whole gaming experience is about, freedom. 

 

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If you're not gonna use the stuff being added to STP, then you clearly have no idea how to use said features. 

 

Yes please, educate me on how to properly press the "B" button.

 

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 You have 2 mods installed that do the same thing, not the author's fault, it's yours for having both installed at the same time.

 

I don't use 2 mods at a time, but why should i sacrifice features from X mod so that Y mod can work without conflict. 

This is a case of "we're replacing every other mod and fuck you if you don't use our mod" and it seems like a plausible scenario considering the circumstances.

 

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Because Bejoljo doesn't add useless shit no one cares for.

 

He just reuses ideas already worked on by the community in an effort to absorb it's users huh.

 

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It also forces you to install other mods, aka  police smart radio, the thing you said you hated so much (when a plugin depends on another).  STP has a no bullshit prisoner transport system and it's lightweight.  Albo's mods have always been resource intensive,  it's even worse now that they are outdated.

 

Yes albo's mods are intended to work with each other. And i remember feeling weird about this back when they first started releasing, i felt like it was made on purpose to rack up downloads and it would be unstable. But it turned out fine, and when i'm talking about plugin dependency, i don't mean plugins of the same author, i mean people who make new scripts/callouts/whatever based around another plugin by another author. Because usually when for example, albo makes two different plugins, the way they're coded is to work together, there's a common workframe there. It's when someone decides to use albo's stuff of bejoljo's stuff as a base for their own mod that shit can get complicated because it creates layers of mods and that shit can be unstable as fuck.

A year back i remember messing up my albo mods and the fact that these mods held such an important place in my LSPDFR plugin file that i was unable to play. Same shit happens with Bejoljo's mods when my connection acts up, not only STP and UB won't work but several other mods too. This design philosophy is one that i virtually disagree with in every single modding community i'm part of (those of you who play S.T.A.L.K.E.R and every bethesda game out there will know the struggle is real).

 

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 but you need to get off of this high horse of "fuck all the new mods, old ones only". You're only hurting yourself by refusing to let go of outdated stuff and attacking the new mods simply because you don't like change.

 

You claim that i use STP wrong but in your case, you're using your eyes wrong if you got that impression on me.

I just disagree with a lot of what you're doing. Plenty of excellent devs putting out quality mods out there with no stupid gimmick and no over-righteousness, helping each other in every possible to create greatness. But Bejoljo's is being a child, with just a tiny bit of criticism able to make him leave the site and go cry in a corner, combined with his hostile behavior to other fellow modders and the fact that he hires you, a goddamn PR manager for a mod for a mod, to defend his public image is just funny to me. Dude has a "praise" chat in his own discord server and runs that shit like North Korea, albo's mods might have flaws but at his prime you could PM him for support anytime. There's a lot more to this than "features", there's a human element in modding. Bejoljo seems like the one on the high horse right now. 

 

 

Edited July 3, 20205 yr by TheBunk
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7 hours ago, Reddington said:

Forced online has nothing to do with helping to troubleshoot (to my knowledge, anyway).  Online only can be a pain, but is is required for better synchronization between his mods.  I don't know where you're getting the "constant surveillance", but none of that is going on.  If you want surveillance, go to Chill Callouts where the dev collects your machine ID. 

It's required because the author wants greater control of their software. People can make their own judgement call as to whether they want to tolerate that or not, but I don't think it's fair to dress it up as some sort of thing that's a requirement for better synchronization.

It would be awesome from Bejoijo to build in an auto updater for his mods. Many other modders have done that before.

 

For people who like less features they should use Albos mods, cause back in time that extra features from STP weren't there.

I personally use STP and I like everything except this manual update stuff 😞

2 hours ago, Cyan said:

It's required because the author wants greater control of their software. People can make their own judgement call as to whether they want to tolerate that or not, but I don't think it's fair to dress it up as some sort of thing that's a requirement for better synchronization.

I get that having it require an internet connection can be a bit frustrating (myself included in this because I think its a bit unnecessary). But also, a lot of the other Devs here seem to be very protective of their content and which people can access it, so I just dont see why Bejo is any different. I look at it as an inventive way to protect his hard earned work.

Edited July 3, 20205 yr by UnknownBastion
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hello everyone why dont we just shut up and stop being a bunch of bitches and arguing over plugins!! super waaaackkkkyyyyy concept i know. If u dont like that u cant play offline have albo's plugins downloaded but not enabled for that scenario... another super wacky concept. Bejoljo obviously has many reasons that he has stated publicly for why he wants his plugins online from my time being a helper in his server that was one of the most prevalent questions that was asked, there is no way to escape that question and im sure bejoljo has thought about the decision as it drives away many possible plugin users.

Ok, you guys were right, AM is useless, STP does everything and I got a little FPS boost by getting rid of it.

And I prefer manual updating by the way, since Operation Flashpoint 😄

Stop The Ped is better coded, more efficient. Plus it actually gets updated 🙂

 

edit: wait, STP needs internet connection to work? Wow that's....

So it's basically malware/spyware?

 

Will remove it then 😕 what a shame

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by mctosh

2 hours ago, mctosh said:

Stop The Ped is better coded, more efficient. Plus it actually gets updated 🙂

 

edit: wait, STP needs internet connection to work? Wow that's....

So it's basically malware/spyware?

 

Will remove it then 😕 what a shame

Saying it is malware/spyware is probably the furthest thing from the truth. While I can agree that it is kinda stupid that it requires an internet connection because it "helps keep track of when it needs to be updated", I dont think it is fair to go as far to say it is malicious. I know that people dont like that it requires an internet connection or stops working when LSPDFR gets updated, but it's kinda jumping the gun to call it malicious. I will even go as far as to say that it is one of the most useful plugins currently, and that internet connection is the only downside. Removing it would mean missing out on a shit-ton of content.

3 hours ago, mctosh said:

Stop The Ped is better coded, more efficient. Plus it actually gets updated 🙂

 

edit: wait, STP needs internet connection to work? Wow that's....

So it's basically malware/spyware?

 

Will remove it then 😕 what a shame

 

Bastion already said what I was going to, but I have a separate question.

 

How are you comparing forced internet connection to malware and spyware?  Do you even know what malware is?

 

I'm genuinely flabbergasted that someone is saying a forced internet connection is malware.  This website requires you to have a constant internet connection to use it.  Does that mean this site is bad?

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by Reddington

8 hours ago, Reddington said:

 

Bastion already said what I was going to, but I have a separate question.

 

How are you comparing forced internet connection to malware and spyware?  Do you even know what malware is?

 

I'm genuinely flabbergasted that someone is saying a forced internet connection is malware.  This website requires you to have a constant internet connection to use it.  Does that mean this site is bad?

Uh, websites require an internet connection. Do you not know the difference between a web service and software?

 

Wordpad does not require an internet connection. If Microsoft maliciously stopped Wordpad from working if there was no internet, then yes wordpad would also be malware. 

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by mctosh

1 hour ago, mctosh said:

Wordpad does not require an internet connection. If Microsoft maliciously stopped Wordpad from working if there was no internet, then yes wordpad would also be malware. 

 

 

Please, please, please at least somewhat educate yourself on a topic before jumping into it, because it can be harmful to everyone and a plugin's reputation if people say completely false things under the wrong pretense.   I'll help you out and explain what malware is:

 

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Malware is any software intentionally designed to cause damage to a computer, server, client, or computer network.

 

Malware is NOT forcing an internet connection, Bejoljo's mods do NOT damage your PC or anything of the sorts.

 

Also, Bejoljo's mods are not a software.  You do not "download/install" them to your computer in the same sense you install a program like Photoshop, you drag and drop them into a folder - a folder which they can be deleted very easily.

 

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by Reddington

If it maliciously stops something from working then it's malware by definition, clue's in the 'mal' part of ware. And yes, it is software. It's not hardware is it? It's code that runs on your computer. 

 

Anyway I'm not arguing anymore, as my first post indicated I was a big fan of the plugin I literally had no idea it was malware until I read this thread, I regret that I did, it's unlikely I'll be without a connection but saddens me that if I ever am I have software that'll maliciously prevent me from playing a game.

 

I've removed it and will look to an alternative, maybe a freelancer can be paid to remove the malicious code or rewrite a similar plugin for me I'll have to look into it.

2 minutes ago, mctosh said:

If it maliciously stops something from working then it's malware by definition, clue's in the 'mal' part of ware. And yes, it is software. It's not hardware is it? It's code that runs on your computer. 

 

Anyway I'm not arguing anymore, as my first post indicated I was a big fan of the plugin I literally had no idea it was malware until I read this thread, I regret that I did, it's unlikely I'll be without a connection but saddens me that if I ever am I have software that'll maliciously prevent me from playing a game.

 

I've removed it and will look to an alternative, maybe a freelancer can be paid to remove the malicious code or rewrite a similar plugin for me I'll have to look into it.

It may be hindering you from playing the game if LSPDFR updates. But that in no way makes it malware. Malware, by definition, is "any software intentionally designed to cause damage to a computer, server, client, or computer network". It is not doing any damage and the issue can be alleviated by removing it until it gets updated.

Also, look for someone to remove it? So you will just take someone's hard work and just redistribute it to get the block removed? Pretty low move if you ask me. You would be better off suggesting to BejoIjo to potentially have it removed. I know that I would back that idea up.

19 minutes ago, mctosh said:

If it maliciously stops something from working then it's malware by definition, clue's in the 'mal' part of ware. And yes, it is software. It's not hardware is it? It's code that runs on your computer. 

 

Anyway I'm not arguing anymore, as my first post indicated I was a big fan of the plugin I literally had no idea it was malware until I read this thread, I regret that I did, it's unlikely I'll be without a connection but saddens me that if I ever am I have software that'll maliciously prevent me from playing a game.

 

I've removed it and will look to an alternative, maybe a freelancer can be paid to remove the malicious code or rewrite a similar plugin for me I'll have to look into it.

 

That's..that's not how it works.  Something isn't malicious just because you disagree with it.  Let me make something crystal clear to you:  Whether you agree or not, the fact of the matter is, his plugins are not malware.  It is NOT malware to force you to be online.  You seriously need to gain some knowledge on these subjects.

 

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maybe a freelancer can be paid to remove the malicious code

 

The code is not malicious, for once in your life stop being stubborn.  People like you are why a lot of modders quit, or hide their stuff behind super exclusive servers and paywalls.  Keep your hands off of Bejoljo's plugins unless you're going to use them in the way they are meant to be.  Don't ruin other people's work because you're ignorant.

 

 

19 minutes ago, mctosh said:

If it maliciously stops something from working then it's malware by definition, clue's in the 'mal' part of ware. And yes, it is software. It's not hardware is it? It's code that runs on your computer. 

 

Anyway I'm not arguing anymore, as my first post indicated I was a big fan of the plugin I literally had no idea it was malware until I read this thread, I regret that I did, it's unlikely I'll be without a connection but saddens me that if I ever am I have software that'll maliciously prevent me from playing a game.

 

I've removed it and will look to an alternative, maybe a freelancer can be paid to remove the malicious code or rewrite a similar plugin for me I'll have to look into it.

 

Tto end this idiotic conversation, Bejoljo's plugins haven't harmed anyone's PC.  I play LSPDFR a lot, my PC is perfectly fine.  I have anti viruses and anti maleware I run once a month, nothing at all.  On his Discord, we have zero reports of his plugins causing harm to his game or PC.

 

You're just mad because online is a requirement.  I get it, but don't stoop to such a low level you have to falsely claim something is malicious.

 

To put you in your place even more, a while back a group of degenerates did decompile his code and redistribute without the forced online.  Considering these people are not Bejoljo's #1 fans, if there was malicious code, we'd of heard about it.

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by Reddington

11 hours ago, Reddington said:

 

Bastion already said what I was going to, but I have a separate question.

 

How are you comparing forced internet connection to malware and spyware?  Do you even know what malware is?

 

I'm genuinely flabbergasted that someone is saying a forced internet connection is malware.  This website requires you to have a constant internet connection to use it.  Does that mean this site is bad?

Plugins that are highly interconncted and work well are not malware or spyware. In no way does these plugins monitor your ip address, your mac address or change settings on your pc. They are not anything else but plugins. for lspdfr. Please educate yourself on malware, spyware, and ransomware with the following; https://blog.totalprosource.com/5-common-malware-types , https://www.cisco.com/c/en_au/products/security/advanced-malware-protection/what-is-malware.html , https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/definitions/what-is-ransomware

 

Just now, KnightHawkOne said:

Plugins that are highly interconncted and work well are not malware or spyware. In no way does these plugins monitor your ip address, your mac address or change settings on your pc. They are not anything else but plugins. for lspdfr. Please educate yourself on malware, spyware, and ransomware with the following; https://blog.totalprosource.com/5-common-malware-types , https://www.cisco.com/c/en_au/products/security/advanced-malware-protection/what-is-malware.html , https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/definitions/what-is-ransomware

 

 

Just now, KnightHawkOne said:

Plugins that are highly interconncted and work well are not malware or spyware. In no way does these plugins monitor your ip address, your mac address or change settings on your pc. They are not anything else but plugins. for lspdfr. Please educate yourself on malware, spyware, and ransomware with the following; https://blog.totalprosource.com/5-common-malware-types , https://www.cisco.com/c/en_au/products/security/advanced-malware-protection/what-is-malware.html , https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/definitions/what-is-ransomware

 

 

53 minutes ago, Reddington said:

 

That's..that's not how it works.  Something isn't malicious just because you disagree with it.  Let me make something crystal clear to you:  Whether you agree or not, the fact of the matter is, his plugins are not malware.  It is NOT malware to force you to be online.  You seriously need to gain some knowledge on these subjects.

 

 

The code is not malicious, for once in your life stop being stubborn.  People like you are why a lot of modders quit, or hide their stuff behind super exclusive servers and paywalls.  Keep your hands off of Bejoljo's plugins unless you're going to use them in the way they are meant to be.  Don't ruin other people's work because you're ignorant.

 

 

 

Tto end this idiotic conversation, Bejoljo's plugins haven't harmed anyone's PC.  I play LSPDFR a lot, my PC is perfectly fine.  I have anti viruses and anti maleware I run once a month, nothing at all.  On his Discord, we have zero reports of his plugins causing harm to his game or PC.

 

You're just mad because online is a requirement.  I get it, but don't stoop to such a low level you have to falsely claim something is malicious.

 

To put you in your place even more, a while back a group of degenerates did decompile his code and redistribute without the forced online.  Considering these people are not Bejoljo's #1 fans, if there was malicious code, we'd of heard about it.

To make it clear, I have nothing against bejo and I think his plugins are amazing. I even donated! First time I've ever donated to a mod.

 

But writing in malicious code does make it malware. I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. I sincerely regret ever reading this thread, it's likely that if I hadn't I'd have never have known or found out about the malicious code hidden in it.

 

I also disagree with redistributing, when I have a freelancer look into removing the malicious code it'll be for personal use only as I don't like having malware on my machine. No redistribution will happen. I like to know that something will run as intended without malintent if my connection goes down or some arbitrary condition isn't met. 

 

It's software that maliciously breaks a game if your internet goes down for whatever reason. It's software that punishes you for not being online, that is malice, which makes it malware by definition.

 

Mal means malicious

Ware for software.

 

Google it. That's what malware means.

 

I disagree with what those people did by the way, redistributing is not on. But had he removed the malicious code himself then it would never have happened, so you can't really blame them too much if he left them no choice, right? Though they should have kept it for personal use and not share it.

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by mctosh

24 minutes ago, mctosh said:

To make it clear, I have nothing against bejo and I think his plugins are amazing. I even donated! First time I've ever donated to a mod.

 

But writing in malicious code does make it malware. I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. I sincerely regret ever reading this thread, it's likely that if I hadn't I'd have never have known or found out about the malicious code hidden in it.

 

I also disagree with redistributing, when I have a freelancer look into removing the malicious code it'll be for personal use only as I don't like having malware on my machine. No redistribution will happen. I like to know that something will run as intended without malintent if my connection goes down or some arbitrary condition isn't met. 

 

It's software that maliciously breaks a game if your internet goes down for whatever reason. It's software that punishes you for not being online, that is malice, which makes it malware by definition.

 

Mal means malicious

Ware for software.

 

Google it. That's what malware means.

 

I disagree with what those people did by the way, redistributing is not on. But had he removed the malicious code himself then it would never have happened, so you can't really blame them too much if he left them no choice, right? Though they should have kept it for personal use and not share it.

 

IT DOES NOT BREAK THE GAME!! HIS CODE IS NOT MALICIOUS!! MALICIOUS DOES NOT MEAN ONLINE ONLY!!! Holy shit, I legitimately am baffled by the stupidity you're displaying.

 

Clear your mind and read this.

 

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION, ONLY BEJOLJO'S MODS STOP WORKING. YOU CAN STILL PLAY LSPDFR WITHOUT CLOSING THE GAME

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION, ONLY BEJOLJO'S MODS STOP WORKING. YOU CAN STILL PLAY LSPDFR WITHOUT CLOSING THE GAME

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION, ONLY BEJOLJO'S MODS STOP WORKING. YOU CAN STILL PLAY LSPDFR WITHOUT CLOSING THE GAME

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION, ONLY BEJOLJO'S MODS STOP WORKING. YOU CAN STILL PLAY LSPDFR WITHOUT CLOSING THE GAME

 

 

I'm done debating with someone who can't understnd.  Don't use Bejoljo's plugins, and don't ask us for help with them.  You are very clearly not the target audience we desire.

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by Reddington

18 minutes ago, mctosh said:

But writing in malicious code does make it malware. I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. I sincerely regret ever reading this thread, it's likely that if I hadn't I'd have never have known or found out about the malicious code hidden in it.

Im sorry but that is completely false, I put the exact definition of malware and these plugins do not fit the bill in the slightest. All you have to do to get around the forced updates is remove them until they are updated.

 

 

20 minutes ago, mctosh said:

I also disagree with redistributing, when I have a freelancer look into removing the malicious code it'll be for personal use only as I don't like having malware on my machine. No redistribution will happen. I like to know that something will run as intended without malintent if my connection goes down or some arbitrary condition isn't met. 

Regardless of if you redistribute it or not, you are messing with property that isnt yours. Even if you dont like that, that still doesnt give you the right to act very unethically. And yes, I will blame people who get into his code and remove the block. Just because you dont like it, doesnt make it right to take someone else's content and mess with it if it isnt open source.

That is all I have to say on the matter. Good day.

16 minutes ago, Reddington said:

 

IT DOES NOT BREAK THE GAME!! HIS CODE IS NOT MALICIOUS!! MALICIOUS DOES NOT MEAN ONLINE ONLY!!! Holy shit, I legitimately am baffled by the stupidity you're displaying.

 

Clear your mind and read this.

 

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION, ONLY BEJOLJO'S MODS STOP WORKING. YOU CAN STILL PLAY LSPDFR WITHOUT CLOSING THE GAME

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION, ONLY BEJOLJO'S MODS STOP WORKING. YOU CAN STILL PLAY LSPDFR WITHOUT CLOSING THE GAME

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION, ONLY BEJOLJO'S MODS STOP WORKING. YOU CAN STILL PLAY LSPDFR WITHOUT CLOSING THE GAME

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION, ONLY BEJOLJO'S MODS STOP WORKING. YOU CAN STILL PLAY LSPDFR WITHOUT CLOSING THE GAME

 

 

I'm done debating with someone who can't understnd.  Don't use Bejoljo's plugins, and don't ask us for help with them.  You are very clearly not the target audience we desire.

There's one easy way to test.

 

Turn your internet connection off, if everything runs as intended then you're right.

If there are crashes or plugins disable themselves breaking your game preventing you from playing as intended then I'm right.

12 minutes ago, UnknownBastion said:

Im sorry but that is completely false, I put the exact definition of malware and these plugins do not fit the bill in the slightest. All you have to do to get around the forced updates is remove them until they are updated.

 

 

Regardless of if you redistribute it or not, you are messing with property that isnt yours. Even if you dont like that, that still doesnt give you the right to act very unethically. And yes, I will blame people who get into his code and remove the block. Just because you dont like it, doesnt make it right to take someone else's content and mess with it if it isnt open source.

That is all I have to say on the matter. Good day.

Wrong.

 

Do you use w10 privacy or similar program to turn off Windows spyware and remove Microsoft's malicious callback codes? Then you're a lying hypocrite.

If you don't then you're just silly and obviously don't care about ethics or having malware on your machine as much as normal people.

 

There's nothing wrong with removing malicious code intended to cause you harm.

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by mctosh