KyneiZero

yep in complete agreement. If i only knew of it much earlier, so many headaches would have been prevented. My brother stopped playing couple months back from all the crashing on his system.

Yes i happened to be one of those people. Crashing about 50% of time and not ever really able to play for more than 45mins cause at that point it is almost 99% likely to go dead. I stopped playing the game for weeks at a time because the crashes ruin any fun with the constant restarts and i 'd rather do something else. But i went ahead and tried tweaks, the dreaded reinstalls and tried reading forum topics to figure things out or find new info. The info about ELS 7 stability was really promising and it did come true after all. I see people posting about running ELS6 no probs and once they switch to ELS7 it crashes. Going right back to ELS 6 and all good again. And they assume something is buggy or broken with ELS 7. That is about as far from the truth as you can get. It is very likely that ELS 7 using about twice as many key commands than ELS 6 is causing some conflict with either another script/mod/GTA4 and who knows what is crashing out. It doesnt mean there is anything wrong with ELS 7. I had to deal with the same type of bullcrap when i tried playing. First two times i had ELS 7 on i crashed shortly after loading the safehouse. Tried looking at the ini and seeing if anything is set oddly and i noticed the plethora of new keybinds. With GTA itself and 3-4 other scripts installed, I thought the heck with it and changed all the ELS 7 ones to keys i know aren't used. With so many variables at hand, i played it safe by rebinding most of the ELS 7 keys rather than messing with the 3-4 scripts (or removing them entirely) and have to remember new keys for all those... If you have a fresh install of GTA IV, LCPDFR and finally ELS 7 that is causing crashes then you may have a encountered a new possible issue. That would be a valid complaint that you should bring attention to. For me ELS 7 and definately Yard1's thread on Large Address issue solved the major issues for me. These are the 2 critical things that has me playing a lot more lcpdfr. I don't think you can upvote Yard1 enough nowadays. So from my opening post of 99% chance of crashing after 45mins to.. 0%!! I have not had a random crash since ELS 7 released. Longest playtime was 2.5hrs. Running at about 35-45% traffic density that i feel keeps the traffic going not too little and not too much. I have 10 ELS cars flashing on my screen and i am recording gameplay as well. FPS goes to the crapper at times of course. I have had 4 "user side" crashes. 2 of them are from the key conflicts from the first install. And 2 from spawning too many cars.. Both fixable by the user. BUT NO random crashes since installing those 2 items, rebinding my keys, removing and testing all the scripts i use one by one if i have to..... and once again the dreaded fresh installs.. I am super happy about this and i'm sure it shows because half my post count is on giving tips and helping troubleshoot ELS 7 whenever i can. You just have to TRY. nothing more i can really say, except good luck with that.

i am quite sure that i am not using the ELS v7 visualdats even though it is the last thing i installed. I vaguely recall having that issue when trying out ELS v7 the very first time. This is out of left field because i dont really know how enbs work or the dats. Try finding the visualdats from one of your previous graphic mods.... or from game4video. But don't install game4video because it does tax my system quite a bit. JUST the visualSettings.dat !

pretty cool, will test it out when i use it for the player model.

This maybe just my system, but i am running a vanilla GTX 660 so you got me beat already. I find it runs fine with compatibility like 90%. But it is so strange with some games that slow down really badly and you just think... why..... I can get a stable 31-44fps for GTA IV - and it is a crappy console port. And with Starcraft 2 - it tanks when recording. i dont get above 16fps. Now it could be just my drivers and system setup. I no longer have a dedicated sound car on my current rig, so i wonder how much CPU processing is taken by that. My 5 year old rig actually runs some things better or more stable so i am dumbfounded. But not a lot, just a few odd ones here and there. So you are probably okay using it. Afterburner has a few layers of menus. Definately look at some guides to configure it. Good luck!

Yea some of these issues or difficulties are in Multiplayer. Which unfortunately i dont get to play around and test with much. I have heard about some features that don't work as well or you need to fidget with it a lot when in MP. For # [4] - that is tough to get around. I don't have any more ideas to help you with it. I am curious about a different config option though, the airhorn/other modes can be disabled in the custom vehicle .ini and does that feature work? Ok , there are quite a few steps cause i may have missed one little thing i didnt think was needed. If you ever try ELS v7 again and this is a tip for anyone else maybe having trouble with sirens changing the light pattern, For # [5] - Try using your function key first which should be default "ALT". And basically hit ALT+SIREN key when you start playing. This should change your Siren mode to HDSF(handsfree). I am not absolutely sure about this mode. But i was playing around with it when i got my patterns to respond. Won't be free to play GTA and test it until tonight(AKA 12 hours from now) If it is wrong, let me know to change my post and hopefully find the real solution.

This is something i read sometime ago on several GTA forums about the possibility of how the mp3s were encoded, bitrates, size, etc.. That may not work ingame. I dont know how much truth is in there. I can't get mine to work, so i've stopped trying.

There is opinion and there is fact and they are not mutually exclusive. Facts take precedence i think a lot of people would agree. I can't change your opinion of whether you like ELS V7 as a whole. You are free to it as you should be. When something that is mentioned is not true and you base your opinion on it, who really looks bad now.. Not all posts are helpful, some are opinions and ideas. But you have to be fair about it. So i am not posting to tell you what to like or dislike, but to tell what i have experienced or understand about some of these issues being propped up against ELS V7. I think i was more excited about ELS v7 being released and the improved stability than when i first learned of LCPDFR mod. [1] Can not slow down pattern/flash speed. [A] Okay that is one option you do not have anymore. I played with this in ELS v6 and it wasnt really that straight forward to customize. The delay numbers dont seem to work as you think sometimes and i get buggy results. Really wacky ones so i stopped playing around with this. So i agree with a better, simpler implementation of this would be great for ELS v7 regarding speed control. [2] Some of the old patterns are not present. [A] There are 2-3 patterns that i liked before but i can't seem to find. This maybe due to the fact we have 3X the patterns to go through. And now there are more realistic patterns and combination patterns(best i can explain is like 3 patterns built into 1). You may not like the fact that your favourite pattern is no longer accessible, but that says nothing about the quality of ELS v7 which is free for everyone. (a car which comes with 20 different colour options, but not the one you want does not make it a bad or sucky car.) [3] it seems to have a bug with extra8, since no matter what I changed the secondary lights to (even directional), it just couldn't do anything with extra8 [A] The last sentence is a bit vague to me. I have to assume you arent talking about modding/editing it, but general use ingame. I dont have any issues with it. There are patterns that don't use extra 8. AND very importantly there may be car models that do not use or have the secondaries implemented fully/correctly(that is what extras 7, 8, 9 are for). A pretty good guess is that 99.95% of the police cars out there aren't ELS v7 optimized. (there are some cars that don't light up that great to me, and some that are configured backwards in a way which i am happy with) [4] I even have a bug where I change to lstg3 with the traffic advisor off by default, and I can't use the siren. [A] That is a little weird. Now i will assume you have your info panel open when this happens? Possible config/keybind issue or it may be a bug. (**now i have been confused with light stages when the info panel is off. And this is squarely unique to those unoptimized models for ELS v7. Some of my vehicles light pretty much everything up in Stage 2 and i think it is full on Stage 3. OR Stage 2 and Stage 3 look exactly the same. Hit the siren key and it doesn't work of course). [5] Also changing to a different siren tone doesn't seem to change the lighting pattern. [A] WRONG. To keep it simple, there are 4 steps i highlighted in green. Go to default_config or custom car ini, and i can have 4 different patterns going if i wanted to. [ PRML ] Type = leds ForceDfltPat = on DfltPatId = 45 ExpressModeRandPat = off ForcePatForSrnTones = on PatId_Yelp = 58 PatId_Alt1 = 0 PatId_Alt2 = 0 You don't have to like ELS v7, but it is light years better than ELS v5, v6. Cheers, KyneiZero

Okay, thought that had already been tried from the other posts. I want to test mine out as well when i can get GTA running later tonight.

[ ENV LIGHTING ] Range_PRML = 40 Inten_PRML = 7 Range_SECL = 3 Inten_SECL = 7 Range_WRNL = 4 Inten_WRNL = 6 EnvMult_Morning = 0.2 EnvMult_Evening = 0.5 EnvMult_Night = 1.0 maybe try doubling the multipliers. Not able to start my game today, but i noticed it doesn't look that pronounced at night either.

my favourite is the rcmp one, but i put it aside for a couple of weeks. I would expect that model to shine in ELS 7. (pun intended)

I've have gotten use to the car reseting after looking away and back. I dont suppose it is easy to script or work around since no one else has done it?

Been wanting to use the "Taurus" model and this one looks beautiful.

My GTA IV worked great performance wise for quite a while. Then i added game4video and els 7 and started getting 30%-40% FPS drops and that introduced 25% more crashing. I didnt expect anything from this but it worked amazingly for me. I am pleasantly surprised.. It is more of a 20% fps drop but manageable and it doesnt break the gameplay immersion as much. And i do not get early game crashes at all anymore(knock on wood). I only have seen crashes now when i play for a long stretch of time and have like 10 ELS cars on my screen for a while. I would REP+ you up twice but i dont think i can do that. :D Cheers, KyneiZero My Current Specs if anyone is curious [ Intel Core i5 3570 / GTX 660 / 8GB Ram / Win 7 *1680x1050*Res ]

nice post, cp702. Someone who knows what they are talking about, unlike me . The missing links in my theory. Well maybe someone else will find a way to juggle the lights around in a certain way to make it work or to give more options.

I have read 1 or 2 comments about people not being able to find those patterns.. don't know for sure.. hmm.. maybe try the cruise mode? That is similiar enough and bonus is that it doesn't rebuild the extras so you can open doors. http://youtu.be/sY5prj6a6ng?t=3m23s

I suggested this to Lt.Caine twice during the testing phase, it's unfortunately not possible due to the huge ammount of coding it would take. ELSv7 is built around the way lightstages work now, if Caine was to change that, he would have to rewrite most of the code from scratch. This doesn't relate directly to changing ELS. But i am wondering if maybe the car modelers can use some creative tweaking to get your desired light stage setup. 120% CONJECTURE - i do not have knowledge of GTA vehicle modeling or real police equipment. I would like to contribute or throw out ideas when i can. I apologize if i am not understanding correctly what parts or equipment you are describing. So... Pressing [J] the first time turns on your car's secondaries(SECL). So the modeler would design them to turn on the traffic advisor/warning lights and also the rear part of the lightbar. Check PIC #1 at the bottom of post. When you hit [K] now it will enable the yellow lighting and the red and blue of the rear lightbar. ** Main downside is you will not have a way to turn on just the traffic advisor/amber lights all by itself. Pressing [J] the second time turns the WRNL along with the SECL. Now the modeling for WRNL lights should be the wig wags and the full lightbar FRONT and BACK(yes i know it is duplicated from the first step). So if you wanted the traffic advisor(SECL) off at the back, the WRNL lights using the same position and lights will take over for the rear lighting. So it will still look normal. Check PIC #2 Pressing [J] the third time will turn on PRML / SECL / WRNL. So the primaries will be modeled in to fill in any extras or missing lights. Check PIC #3 And i guess you can duplicate it to turn on other parts from the SECL or WRNL to give you a shortcut or unique light setup. it doesnt give you the logical progression or stage setup. it breaks up the lighting into separate parts, but it gives you the customization you want? Cheers, KyneiZero (i hope i didnt waste an hour thinking up something that isn't possible to model..) http://www.lcpdfr.com/uploads/monthly_05_2013/post-56944-0-28658200-1368271585.jpghttp://www.lcpdfr.com/uploads/monthly_05_2013/post-56944-0-07400300-1368271006.jpg

I posted this once and of course there are like a dozen threads about this. I'll throw you a bone here, i had crashing issues when the game starts or when jumping into my first car. For me it was conflicting key commands. So try checking all the scripts/mods you have loaded and make sure none of the keys are being shared between them. May be a good idea to switch around the FunctionKEY and ComboKEY in your ELS.ini. It is a guess, but the default Ctrl+M for infopanel may not work well because i think.... LCPDFR uses that for Call medic. And i think enough people know about issues/crashes when dealing with ambulance call outs sometimes. If setting your keys does not work either. My last bit of advice is to reinstall,, or remove all other scripts. Have only LCPDFR and ELS 7 loaded and tinker around with that. If it starts working, start adding back your other mods/scripts. Good luck, KyneiZero

I am amazed with how well these mods have worked. It is long, boring but really beautiful. If you just want to see the lights, they start at 3:20 in the video and sporadically throughout. And i do mention a few things about my setup in the video. It is a game commentary, and i don't have a wonderful radio voice. I do question myself sometimes and go "wow do i really sound like that on a recording." But heck,, i am having a lot of fun trying to make them. Enjoy, graphic quality is what it is due to size limitations on uploading from my crappy internet. Go right ahead with feedback about the other things on the video. Make sure to switch to 720p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rGxsTTvFxs

Incase anyone else is wondering, installing ELS 7 will overwrite your visualSettings.dat If you are using game4video enb, you can either reinstall or specifically find the visualSettings.dat that comes with game4video and simply copy it back to the proper GTA4 folder.

I encountered the same thing. The default Ctrl+M maybe is conflicting with LCPDFR itself sometimes. The very first 2 times i tried ELS 7 i crashed as i tried accessing the car. Changed a whole bunch of the ELS 7 key bindings and the 3rd time it worked fine and many times after. I have 3-4 other mods/scripts that take up keys, so heck i re-worked ELS keys rather than toying around with the other 3 scripts.

yes, also interested in figuring out how to bind the siren correctly to my thumb mouse button. -and a tip about the primary and secondary lights for those who want to manually control when the secondary/traffic advisor goes on. open your default_config or customized vehicle file in the ELS Folder and change the value in the [ SECL ] section i have highlighted in red. It should be on. [ PRML ] Type = leds ForceDfltPat = off DfltPatId = 0 ExpressModeRandPat = off ForcePatForSrnTones = off PatId_Yelp = 0 PatId_Alt1 = 0 PatId_Alt2 = 0 [ SECL ] Type = leds DisableAtLstg3 = on ForcePatForLstg = off PatId_Lstg1 = 0 PatId_Lstg2 = 2 PatId_Lstg3 = 3 Now what you have to do is use your function key (default = ALT) to turn on lights. So [ALT+J] will now turn on only your primary lights. And if you want your secondary, just hit the usual [K] key and it will go on and off as you please while your primary will stay on. If you want to turn off, you can just hit [J] and it will turn everything off. Dont hit ALT+J while the primary is on because it will just scroll back to the preset lighting. So you can use this simpler control method like ELS 6 before.