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Damn. Hope no one else was killed.

Apologies; I got carried away.

Welcome! Glad to hear you're having fun!

And? Here's the thing: We're not terrorists. We're better than terrorists. You know why? Because we have standards. There are lines we do not cross. It may not be satisfying emotionally, but we do not cross those lines. What makes us better is precisely *that* we don't cross those lines in these situations. I don't care *what* someone did: NOTHING deserves torture. For that matter: You think this was bad? That's because it was - this whole situation is absolutely awful. But there has been so much worse that has been done in the past. To invoke Godwin's law: You know how the people who perpetrated the Holocaust were punished? They were hanged. They were not tortured. They were not beaten. They were given a trial. They had lawyers to defend themselves. Some were actually acquitted. The ones who were found guilty of crimes against humanity, of fucking GENOCIDE, of things that dwarf any crime you have seen in your entire life, you know what happened to them? They were tried and hanged. Not tortured.

That's not justice. That's the exact opposite of justice. Justice is calm, reasoned decisions. Justice is staying away from emotion, and being objective and fair. Letting the victims have their way with a suspect is barbarism.

Any replacement would have similar fears of copyright lawsuits. Even though Google pretty much won their suit, defending is still a pain.

No. See, this is what makes us different from them: We (the civilized world) do not stand for torture. We do not consider ANYONE sub-human. We do not strip ANYONE of their basic dignity. Guantanamo Bay isn't something to celebrate, it's something to be fucking ashamed of. Also, I'd challenge your characterization of prison. In the highest security prisons, there is effectively no human contact. Can you imagine living like that? No one to talk to, you are kept apart from other inmates at all times, you don't even get to see where you are in the prison... Oh, and people who kill millions? You probably can't punish them; they tend to be dictators, immune from consequences. If you do punish them, you could hang them or you could send them to prison for life. You don't torture them. Seriously, guys? Torture is not acceptable even to get information. Period. End of story. Torture as punishment, not even with the motivation to interrogate? That is absolutely beyond the pale. That is not something we do. Ever. For any reason. Anyone who coldly tortures someone for something they did deserves a lifetime in prison, or possibly a death sentence. It is one of the few lines that I don't think you can be forgiven for crossing. EDIT: Darkangel, you posted while I was writing this. Yes, lets.

Slimory: You're from a different country than most of us. In the US, police run their cars into the ground (fleet cars, at least). They run pretty much literally 24/7 (one shift gets to the station, the next shift gets right in the car). Larger departments do maintenance in-house, so it's way, way cheaper than a new car. US former police cars are a shitty buy, and are only bought by taxi companies (who can also have in-house maintenance) and wannabes. That doesn't mean this is true in Canada.

I've found EFLC more stable.

4) Torture doesn't work. Many terrorists are willing to DIE for their beliefs. What makes you think ANYTHING will get them to tell you? Also: Radiation scanning. 5) Build a sci-fi system to let a critically wounded soldier live someone else's life for 8 minutes, and task him with finding out who blew up the Metra train, leading you to find the guy with a bomb. (movie: Source Code. It's not a very good movie.)

For future reference: Bxbugs123 could be PMed here or on GPM. He's Bxbugs123 on GPM, Trooper Dashie here. Caution: Generally, don't PM someone unless you think they'd want to be PMed (I'm pretty sure everyone's fine with you asking for *permission*, though; don't ask for unlocked models, but asking for permission doesn't normally annoy people). You can't really get in touch with Caine. He's working on ELS 7, but other than that he's pretty much out of the modding scene, AFAIK.

Is the Caprice fleet-only in the US?

Sadly, there is no all-encompassing script. Also sadly, there's no universal "most stable" mod. ELS v6 is notoriously unstable on many computers. v5 is more stable, generally. v7 (in testing) looks to be much more stable. EVCS is an alternative to ELS; I'm not sure if they can be run together, but it would be somewhat unusual. EVCS is also in beta now, FWIW stability-wise. Personally, I use ELS, with LCPDFR, Police Helper, Braveheart's mod, and more (I run an extremely heavily modded game). It works acceptably for me; it may not for you. What error are you getting with the cars?

At which point they might get the stereotype. These things change with time.

No. The reason you can't torture them isn't because of a law. It's because torture falls outside the realm of what civilized societies do. You don't torture because you don't torture. That would be true even without a law (IIRC, Britain had no Bill of Rights equivalent before the EU, and yet torture was still outside the realm of what the government was allowed to do).

No. Just no. Torture is never OK for any reason. (before someone brings up interrogation: besides the fact that torture probably doesn't work, there are some things that you Do. Not. Do. no matter HOW effective they would be.)

That's not a mod everybody is looking for. In particular, I couldn't care less. Stop projecting your own desires onto everyone. Fixing AI traffic is so broad and such intense a mod that I'd be shocked if it was even theoretically possible for anyone but a Rockstar employee to do.

Do you have permission? From who?

I'd like to avoid politics on this thread.

* Select baton (or bat) * Aim * Press "E".

LCPDFR is totally unsupported on 1.0.4.0.

Visi: Glad to hear your family is all OK.

If the coordinates match up, I might try to think of a way to script a conversion from EVCS to ELS.net (vice versa might not work, as ELS.net seems to support more in the way of lighting options).

We're not talking about v6. We're talking about v7.

That's because we don't use BPM mods, because he doesn't make them (BPM is the most notorious mod thief out there. Don't support him.)