Couple things to take away.

 

1) The amount of times there was a serious danger of crossfire was insane!  Most notably from the officer with the AR, and the female officer on the far right.  Were they not properly trained on what do do when one officer is aiming in a certain direction?

 

2)  At 12:20, in the lower left of the screen, you see what looks like a turret, which I assume is from a Bearcat.  I don't know if it's a .50 cal or not.  Um, there's a baby in the vehicle, and we're bringing in a machine gun at point blank?  The fuck are you doing?  Not only that, all this guy has to do is move the vehicle an inch forward or backward and the turret is useless.  Why even deploy it to begin with? 

This is America.

What did you expect?

American police officers have an average training of only 6 month before they hit the road on their own.

In comparison to where i'm from it's just ridiculous! 

Wasn't there a study which basically proved that most American police forces don't have strict enough firearm training?

I believe it was so bad that the study even went so far to say that if sworn American officers would go through European gun training most of them wouldn't pass.

I've been trying to find it with no luck, however.

Edited December 31, 20187 yr by lovkal

4 hours ago, Giordano said:

2)  At 12:20, in the lower left of the screen, you see what looks like a turret, which I assume is from a Bearcat.  I don't know if it's a .50 cal or not.  Um, there's a baby in the vehicle, and we're bringing in a machine gun at point blank?  The fuck are you doing?  Not only that, all this guy has to do is move the vehicle an inch forward or backward and the turret is useless.  Why even deploy it to begin with? 

Baby was removed from the vehicle at 7:40. And the turret thing is actually a gas injector unit. It penetrates hard surfaces and dispenses tear gas. So if the guy did move, it still would've done its purpose, as it's supposed to hit his car, not him.

3 hours ago, Schecter004 said:

This is America.

What did you expect?

American police officers have an average training of only 6 month before they hit the road on their own.

In comparison to where i'm from it's just ridiculous! 

On average of 6 months for academy training only. They're on probation/hands on training for another 3-12 months. It's not great, but because of how sucky our general society is, a lot of places can't afford to have officers in training for 2+ years before being allowed to patrol. This can be alleviated with more in house training, but that also cost money. Money that these kind of places (in the video) don't have. Sucks, but that's life.

Edited December 31, 20187 yr by Black Jesus

2 hours ago, Black Jesus said:

Baby was removed from the vehicle at 7:40. And the turret thing is actually a gas injector unit. It penetrates hard surfaces and dispenses tear gas. So if the guy did move, it still would've done it's purpose, as it's supposed to hit his car, not him.

 

Oh, thank you.  I wasn't aware that was a thing.

Police rarely fire their weapons outside of state required qualification, which in most states is only twice a year and done in a mostly static position. Each agency has their own standards, training and curriculum in place, but budget and quite frankly relevance (it is extremely rare that a cop draws their gun, let alone fires it) make it a lower priority. Additionally, a direct quote from one cop I've talked to is "most cops only care that their gun goes bang when they pull the trigger." Plus police officers rarely train on their own time unless they are into guns.

 

To me, the most alarming thing in the video is the lack of cover. There were half a dozen cops exposed to a known armed suspect for several minutes, but it took forever for someone to comment on it. All it takes is a split second for a shot to be fired towards them. With the lack of cover, it made an incident of the child hostage being hit much more likely should the suspect open up.

Boy, this is fun.

Part of what makes policing a difficult job is that they have to walk the balance between being a servant to the community while still being tactically proficient. Swinging too far in either direct is bad news. A lot of people these days seem to want the police to be a tacticool paramilitary organization. If the police continue to be militarized while we keep flooding the country with guns, the country is gonna turn into a damn warzone. Bad news for everyone.

 

Big props to these officers for talking this person down like human beings. That's what the police is supposed to do, hostage or no hostage.

1st there were some cross fire issues yes, but relatively minor. The stress your seeing is fairly normal of a situation of that nature, and it should be frankly.

 

2nd, that isnt a machine gun, it looks like a high powered non lethal gas gun. Probably a rubber bullet. It's possible it is remotely operated. The vid makes it hard to tell, but it was probably used to either hit the weapon out of his hand or cause non lethal pain to him, in an attempt to get him to comply. The extension it is mounted on is a steel pole that serves a variety of roles and can be mounted on the front of a bearcat. Usually the pole is used for pushing things, as ram or otherwise breaking through minor barriers.

 

Overall, an extremely difficult situation for any dpt to handle. They had to act very quickly in order to control it. I know it doesnt seem that way. I think it was well handled considering.

 

Something else to consider, I'm not sure where this occurred, but it looks like a dpt that is in the process of improving itself, probably got better funding in the last few years. It looks like it probably had to make do with less prior to this video. That's a fairly common theme these days, alot of dpts are undergoing that rit now. Just something to consider.

Edited January 1, 20197 yr by Ragnrok

On 12/31/2018 at 8:30 PM, Giordano said:

2)  At 12:20, in the lower left of the screen, you see what looks like a turret, which I assume is from a Bearcat.  I don't know if it's a .50 cal or not.  Um, there's a baby in the vehicle, and we're bringing in a machine gun at point blank?  The fuck are you doing?  Not only that, all this guy has to do is move the vehicle an inch forward or backward and the turret is useless.  Why even deploy it to begin with? 

Ummmgh that's not a 'machine gun', that's a tear gas dispersing tool, apparently. Why bringing it?  I have no clue. Perhaps they had no time to disconnect it or they thought it would be needed or just might come handy.

 

I don't mean any offense, but I wouldn't criticize the way professionals operate if I'm not even familiar with the equipment they use. The hostage was rescued and the suspect was taken alive - I would call it a good result, no?

 

 

 

Edited January 3, 20197 yr by Hastings