6 people dead, 8 injured after two men walked in and started shooting at the dozens of people who gathered there for their evening prayer.

 

Justin Trudeau called the shooting a terrorist attack against the canadian muslim community as a whole.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38793071

 

This is what happens when people target a community for all the wrongs in the world. I'm curious to see if the people who usually condemn terrorist attacks from islamic terrorists will also condemn this shooting against innocent muslims.

What a stupid thing to do.

 

I really have a lot to say about this case but I will keep my thoughts to myself, never seems to end well. What I will say is this:

 

Targeting an entire group of people based on the actions of a few is wrong, but I don't think it really helps the victims' case by stating that terrorism is as a result of them being targeted in the first place. All that will do is cause more people to target them. It's just the type of world we live in.

Edited January 31, 20179 yr by TheDivineHustle

Such a tragic but realistic thing we have to deal with these days.

 

People shouldn't be killed because of their beliefs or religion. A place of peace is the last place we SHOULD have to expect to be attacked, but unfortunately there has been so much of these sort of attacks, that it isn't surprising and we are starting to have to be more careful about where we are and what we do.

 

Again, such a tragic event and my thoughts, feelings, and prayers are with the victims and their families.

10 hours ago, Cyan said:

What a stupid thing to do.

 

One of the shooters is from Morocco though, a country where the population is 99% Muslim. Also heard shouting Allah Akbar right before the attack. Perhaps this shooting is more complex than it seems.

Please don't use your website to spread unverified and polarizing news. Right-wing extremist websites were reporting that "one of the shooters" was shouting Allah Akbar, and that the attackers were Muslim/Syrian/Moroccan. This was all speculation at best, and intentionally inflammatory at worse. The police are now officially reporting that there was only one shooter, who was a local student. There has been no detailed official information released about the suspect, and the police specifically have not commented on any perceived motivations for the attack. However, officials have released his name, and reputable sources are reporting that he is a well-known nationalist extremist who is active in extreme-right anti-foreigner and anti-feminism websites. 

 

Honestly I expect better from the person responsible for running lcpdfr.com than to be spreading false information. Whether you intend to push a narrative or just took what you read elsewhere at face value without questioning the source, it brings down the level of discourse and further contributes to online fear and manipulation. I hope you'll consider more carefully before posting unverified info about high-profile and emotionally charged events in the future. 

Edited January 31, 20179 yr by PNWParksFan

7 hours ago, PNWParksFan said:

Please don't use your website to spread unverified and polarizing news.

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I'll admit that after rechecking I was wrong in this case and I'll edit my post.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/americas/quebec-mosque-shooting-suspect/index.html

Honestly what makes me really mad is that, if it was actually an immigrant who barged into a church and started shooting at everyone, it would make the big titles of every newspaper or news show, everyone would "condemn with the utmost firmness this act of barbarity", but now that it is a local dude shooting at innocent muslims, it barely managed to make it to the main page of any news website, and quickly got forgotten. There's just a double standards situation that drives me crazy, and it's partially the fault of some people targeting the muslim community for being "dangerous" and "extemist" that people care less, if not at all.

 

Why can't we be like in most sci-fi movies, one united people across the world? I guess it's too much to ask to simply stop violence.

One opened fire on those praying and shouted "Allahu Akbar"

 

Quite honestly, whenever this is said, I feel like they are doing it just for the meme. 

 

The thing truly ironic is how these people attack a Mosque with the intent of "getting back" at terrorists, yet they become the terrorists by doing so.  I truly hope for the day this idiocy stops, but that is merely a dream.

On 1/31/2017 at 6:35 PM, Hystery said:

Why can't we be like in most sci-fi movies, one united people across the world? I guess it's too much to ask to simply stop violence.

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Racism is something that will never disappear. As long as humans exist there will always be racism because there will always be someone that looks at the color of people's skin. It can even be as minuscule as a guy noticing that he's the only black person within his group of friends that decided to hit the movie theater. Even if racism does happen to diminish from society people will still recognize skin color. "I'm the only black person in this entire restaurant but that's fine because skin color doesn't matter". While there is nothing racist about the thought, race was still brought into the equation. If one person processes a situation like that then there are bound to be plenty of others that will do the same.

 

I long for the day that skin color literally escapes the mind altogether, and it isn't recognized at all. That day will probably never come, though.

Edited February 2, 20179 yr by TheDivineHustle

48 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Racism is something that will never disappear. As long as humans exist there will always be racism because there will always be someone that looks at the color of people's skin. It can even be as minuscule as a guy noticing that he's the only black or white person within his group of friends that decided to hit the movie theater. Even if racism does happen to diminish from society, people will still recognize skin color. "I'm the only black person in this entire restaurant but that's fine because skin color doesn't matter". While nothing racist about the thought, race was still brought into the picture. If one person processes a situation like that there are bound to be plenty of others that will do the same.

 

I long for the day that skin color literally escapes the mind altogether, and it isn't recognized at all. That day will probably never come, though.

 

You and me both.  My mother is really weird.  She isn't racist, but when talking about people of different color or race, she HAS to point it out.  For example,  she makes it a point to say "my black friend" or "this nice black lady", and it drives me insane.  Why do you have to mention skin color?  To be fair, she does it with friends who are Asian as well.  Still, I don't get why we look at people of different colors/races and go "Hey, they aren't white!"  What does racism truly solve?  What does it "fix" to "clean" America of different races?

 

Ignorance and hate are the combination of most these people. They refuse to understand reason, refuse to consider they may be wrong.

Edited February 2, 20179 yr by Arariel

Maybe we should stop all immigration of right wingers. Just until we figure out whats going on.

On 2/1/2017 at 9:46 PM, Arariel said:

 

You and me both.  My mother is really weird.  She isn't racist, but when talking about people of different color or race, she HAS to point it out.  For example,  she makes it a point to say "my black friend" or "this nice black lady", and it drives me insane.  Why do you have to mention skin color?  To be fair, she does it with friends who are Asian as well.  Still, I don't get why we look at people of different colors/races and go "Hey, they aren't white!"  What does racism truly solve?  What does it "fix" to "clean" America of different races?

 

Ignorance and hate are the combination of most these people. They refuse to understand reason, refuse to consider they may be wrong.

Preach!

1 hour ago, Riley24 said:

Maybe we should stop all immigration of right wingers. Just until we figure out whats going on.

it really isn't the immigrants all the time. Most of the attacks are done by citizens of the country, not foreigners.

1 hour ago, ThisIsntMyName said:

Preach!

it really isn't the immigrants all the time. Most of the attacks are done by citizens of the country, not foreigners.

Which is exactly why an immigration ban on Muslims or people from Muslim majority countries is ridiculous.

3 hours ago, Riley24 said:

Which is exactly why an immigration ban on Muslims or people from Muslim majority countries is ridiculous.

maybe i read your other one wrong than. my bad!

6 hours ago, ThisIsntMyName said:

Most of the attacks are done by citizens of the country, not foreigners.

Do you have any evidence to support this?

 

Also keep in mind that the number of attacks isn't necessarily relevant. The number of deaths per attack can easily outweigh the number of attacks. 

Edited February 3, 20179 yr by TheDivineHustle

48 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Do you have any evidence to support this?

 

Also keep in mind that the number of attacks isn't necessarily relevant. The number of deaths per attack can easily outweigh the number of attacks. 

and,  http://www.vox.com/2015/11/23/9765718/domestic-terrorism-threat

Edited February 4, 20179 yr by ThisIsntMyName

18 minutes ago, ThisIsntMyName said:

and,  http://www.vox.com/2015/11/23/9765718/domestic-terrorism-threat

 

 

 

Thank you for the links.

 

Something you've also got to keep in mind is that even though a terrorist may be a U.S. born citizen or a naturalized citizen, they can still share views of extremism and violence. Just because someone is born in the U.S. doesn't necessarily mean that they love the nation and would never do anything to harm it. What the right-wingers are arguing is that most terrorist attacks with large casualties are generally committed by people that share extreme Islamic beliefs. Not necessarily that terrorist attacks are always committed by foreigners and immigrants. Someone can be born an American and then go out and murder hundreds of people in the name of a religion, and that religion is generally Islam.

 

So it may very well be true that most terrorist attacks are committed by natural born citizens of a nation, but just because they're natural born citizens doesn't mean that their loyalty lies with that nation. You can simultaneously be a terrorist AND a natural born citizen.

Edited February 4, 20179 yr by TheDivineHustle

1 minute ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Something you've also got to keep in mind is that even though a terrorist may be a U.S. born citizen or a naturalized citizen, they can still share views of extremism and violence. Just because someone is born in the U.S. doesn't necessarily mean that they love the nation and would never do anything to harm it. What the right-wingers are arguing is that most terrorist attacks with large casualties are generally committed by people that share extreme Islamic beliefs. Not necessarily that terrorist attacks are always committed by foreigners and immigrants. Someone can be born an American and then go out and murder hundreds of people in the name of a religion, and that religion is generally Islam.

 

So it may very well be true that most terrorist attacks are committed by natural born citizens of a nation, but just because they're natural born citizens doesn't mean that their loyalty lies with that nation.

yes i understand that. The whole start of this was because i said most attacks are commited by citizens not foreigners. I never stated anything about them not being loyal to there nation. About your statement on "Someone can be born an American and then go out and murder hundreds of people in the name of a religion, and that religion is generally Islam", They are actually not following true islam. It is radical islam not the true form of islam. 

14 minutes ago, ThisIsntMyName said:

yes i understand that. The whole start of this was because i said most attacks are commited by citizens not foreigners. I never stated anything about them not being loyal to there nation. About your statement on "Someone can be born an American and then go out and murder hundreds of people in the name of a religion, and that religion is generally Islam", They are actually not following true islam. It is radical islam not the true form of islam. 

 

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I have not read the Qu'ran (Koran) myself so I cannot accurately determine whether or not it's true. But I constantly hear mixed results from Historians and religious figures that contradict themselves. Some say that the Quran is a book of peace, and others declare that it's worse than the Bible on the basis of violence, specifically against women. In my opinion, I think that it's based on individual interpretation. But I cannot agree with the statement:

 

  " They are actually not following true islam . It is radical islam not the true form of islam ."

 

In my opinion, I think that they are actually followers of Islam, they just simply carry out the more extreme and violent portions of the Qu'ran. Even though I have not actually sat down and read through the Qu'ran, and I doubt that many others are able to say that they have, you cannot deny the fact that there are violent verses within the book. If the violent verses are not true Islam, then what is? Are we only considering the less violent portions of the book to be the true religion? 

 

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…" (My interpretation of this quote is that those who believe in what Allah commands, including the discrimination against women, should go out and fight in the name of it)

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
 

Even though the website is admittedly right-wing, it doesn't change the fact that these verses are in the Quran, according to some brief research.

 

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

Edited February 4, 20179 yr by TheDivineHustle