Today we hit a new low and im in shock as this tragedy occurred in my community. Ive been there and i have friends that have been. This could have been me or someone i know. Hell it may be we still dont know the names.

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/mayor-dyer-50-casualties-53-in-hospital-in-pulse-nightclub-shooting-/337929937

I'm just in shock and cant believe that one person can inflict this much damage and destruction.How could this happen? How many more shootings have to happen before things change?

 

Such a tragic event. Really hope no one you knew was in there. I just cant believe how high the numbers are getting. These active shooter situation are happening more and more. Its to the point every time i`m in large crowds like malls and movie theaters i`m just scanning people. Which is especially nerve racking since my weekend job is working the door at a movie theater in a state its Not legal conceal carry. Im not a paranoid person I just realize it as a very possible threat now. 

Edited June 12, 20169 yr by Element

1 hour ago, Element said:

Such a tragic event. Really hope no one you knew was in there. I just cant believe how high the numbers are getting. These active shooter situation are happening more and more. Its to the point every time i`m in large crowds like malls and movie theaters i`m just scanning people. Which is especially nerve racking since my weekend job is working the door at a movie theater in a state its Not legal conceal carry. Im not a paranoid person I just realize it as a very possible threat now. 

Thank you I dont think there is but still waiting to hear. Its the number that shocks me so much, and thats with an officer being on scene and immediately engaging the shooter after he started shooting with. I cant imagine how high the death toll would have been had the officer not been there and without the quick response from other officers and agencies.  

I also want to send my condolences to all of the families involved and to all the persons associated in any way.  There will be many who were in the club at the time which were not directly injured, but will feel the mental effects of this for the rest of their lives.  I pray for everyone including law enforcement who have the difficult task that lays ahead.  No one should have to see or be a part of these types of acts in any way.  It makes me remember how truly strong people are in times of mass grief and casualty. 

Condolences as per usual to all those affected either directly or indirectly. But seriously America this has to stop.

Condolences to the families and victims, definitely an unfortunate tragedy. 

I don't quite understand how this could have happened if it was a gun free zone, and it's illegal to carry a firearm into a bar/club in the state of Florida. I also wonder where he got the explosives that police say they found on him, those aren't legal either. He used an assault rifle to murder all of those innocent people as well, assault rifles are practically banned in Florida. Not sure how he got one. The shooter also called 911 beforehand and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

Edited June 12, 20169 yr by TheDivineHustle

1 hour ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Condolences to the families and victims, definitely an unfortunate tragedy. 

I don't quite understand how this could have happened if it was a gun free zone, and it's illegal to carry a firearm into a bar/club in the state of Florida. I also wonder where he got the explosives that police say they found on him, those aren't legal either. He used an assault rifle to murder all of those innocent people as well, assault rifles are practically banned in Florida. Not sure how he got one. The shooter also called 911 beforehand and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

That is what I'm wondering as well because we know an officer was working an off duty detail at the club so he should have been at the front door or atleast security should have been. So we dont know how he got into the club with the rifle or devices or even how the shooting started. I'm sure it will all come out eventually. 

Additionally according to local media his father stated the shooting was motivated due to his disapproval of homosexuality. 

1 hour ago, stevizzle123 said:

 

 

Edited June 12, 20169 yr by stevizzle123

52 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Condolences to the families and victims, definitely an unfortunate tragedy. 

I don't quite understand how this could have happened if it was a gun free zone, and it's illegal to carry a firearm into a bar/club in the state of Florida. I also wonder where he got the explosives that police say they found on him, those aren't legal either. He used an assault rifle to murder all of those innocent people as well, assault rifles are practically banned in Florida. Not sure how he got one. The shooter also called 911 beforehand and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

And yet many, many people blame conservatives and 2Amendment, completely ignoring the circumstances.

I wonder if at least 10% of the club patrons were armed, how long would it take to take that bitch down. 

Just now, Hastings said:

And yet many, many people blame conservatives and 2Amendment, completely ignoring the circumstances.

I wonder if at least 10% of the club patrons were armed, how long would it take to take that bitch down. 

He would not have shot the club up if everyone was armed. A terrorist wants to murder those that can't fight back. Walking into a club where everyone is armed wouldn't help him accomplish that goal. That's the entire purpose of a terrorist, is to terrorize and murder the innocent. This guy didn't rob the place, he didn't take any money or valuables. He simply walked in and killed people. What's the purpose of shooting a place up if you don't plan on gaining any substance from it? To terrorize the people, it's called terrorism. This man was a terrorist. He called 911 and pledged allegiance to the leaders of ISIS. I just want to know how this happened if we have strict gun laws in place. These laws were supposed to prevent this from happening, right?

1 hour ago, Hastings said:

And yet many, many people blame conservatives and 2Amendment, completely ignoring the circumstances.

I wonder if at least 10% of the club patrons were armed, how long would it take to take that bitch down. 

Keep in mind this was a LGBT themed club I doubt many of the patrons own guns or even have concealed weapons permits.

And there was an officer on scene that almost immediately engaged the suspect. 

1 hour ago, TheDivineHustle said:

He would not have shot the club up if everyone was armed. A terrorist wants to murder those that can't fight back. Walking into a club where everyone is armed wouldn't help him accomplish that goal. That's the entire purpose of a terrorist, is to terrorize and murder the innocent. This guy didn't rob the place, he didn't take any money or valuables. He simply walked in and killed people. What's the purpose of shooting a place up if you don't plan on gaining any substance from it? To terrorize the people, it's called terrorism. This man was a terrorist. He called 911 and pledged allegiance to the leaders of ISIS. I just want to know how this happened if we have strict gun laws in place. These laws were supposed to prevent this from happening, right?

According to local media he was employed by a security company and provided security for a courthouse, if you can believe that. 

Condolences to the victims. 

Most of my extended families are currently living in Orlando and they assured me that they are safe (thank god). I just came back from Florida just four weeks ago including Orlando. 

My uncle owns a shop very close to the pulse nightclub shooting. He is a concealed carry applicant and my cousin advised me this morning that his bringing ALL of his five handguns (which I've seen personally) to his business, including his backup handgun on his ankle, his 45 in his vehicle glove compartment, and a 357 magnum under his store desk. 

People will go straight to blaming the lack of gun control. With stricter gun laws, people will still find a way to own them illegally, and gun violence will go on. That being said I find it tragic and frightful that the community faces this, and that the nation is looking at one of the worst mass shootings in US History. I honestly not just sure that stricter gun laws are the solution. They are only just an inconvenience to the law-abiding, potentially responsible owners while illegal gun users/owners run free, doing damage before they're killed or prosecuted.  

UPDATE: My uncle has made the decision to close down his store today due to safety reasons which I completely encourage him to do, despite the fact my cousin told me his business is only five minutes from the Pulse shooting. For anyone currently living in Orlando, please stay safe including your loved ones.

Edited June 13, 20169 yr by wteoh1

23 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

 These laws were supposed to prevent this from happening, right?

And that's how great it worked out:

>licensed security guard
>had a license to own an automatic weapon (hard to get, right?)
>was under a fruitless FBI investigation
>shot people in a gun free zone.

What is required right now is to restrict weapons even further, I guess. 

4 minutes ago, stevizzle123 said:

And there was an officer on scene that almost immediately engaged the suspect. 

Well it's quite clear that the officer wasn't very effective if 50 people were slaughtered, eh? 

1 minute ago, stevizzle123 said:

Keep in mind this was a LGBT themed club I doubt many of the patrons own guns or even have concealed weapons permits.

Why? I doubt sexual orientation determines anything in this case. I know gay guys who are weapon instructors employed by the military (in the States, not in Russia). It's no use second-guessing right now, of course. But there already was an officer, who did his best to protect people. Imagine if he had at least two-three (out of a 100 patrons -- I believe that's a reasonable number) armed citizens to help. 

Maybe I'm wrong, but the whole idea of one person killing tens of innocents with no real means to stop him makes me mad. 

1 hour ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Well it's quite clear that the officer wasn't very effective if 50 people were slaughtered, eh? 

Well I dont think its fair to crizice the officer at this state he was working an off duty detail at a club clearly he was not prepared for this to happen no one was. The shooter had planned this and had an AR-15 the officer only had his service handgun im assuming.

 

Clearly this was not a fair fight and I think his actions still saved lives. 

6 minutes ago, Hastings said:

And that's how great it worked out:

>licensed security guard
>had a license to own an automatic weapon (hard to get, right?)
>was under a fruitless FBI investigation
>shot people in a gun free zone.

What is required right now is to restrict weapons even further, I guess. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Well it's quite clear that the officer wasn't very effective if 50 people were slaughtered, eh? 

Even if those anti-gun bills were enacted. Those illegal users will resort to putting acid in water guns, knives, crossbows, etc. Anti-gun laws are only centered towards guns and nothing else the fact that people still kill people everyday. 

According to the latest news conference it appears the weapons were purchased within the past week legally. The shooter was previously investigated for ties to ISIS and a suicide bombing but was not currently under investigation. I think question here is why was he able to purchase the weapons with no issue?

FYI guys, I'm from the Chicagoland area near the city of Chicago. Despite having the strictest laws and laws from the city of Chicago, they have 1000 shootings a week, 483 been shot in 2015. If you read my post above, anti-gun laws aren't going to help but stir more politics and unnecessary drama in our society.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-20160421-story.html

1 hour ago, Hastings said:

Why? I doubt sexual orientation determines anything in this case. I know gay guys who are weapon instructors employed by the military (in the States, not in Russia). It's no use second-guessing right now, of course. But there already was an officer, who did his best to protect people. Imagine if he had at least two-three (out of a 100 patrons -- I believe that's a reasonable number) armed citizens to help. 

Maybe I'm wrong, but the whole idea of one person killing tens of innocents with no real means to stop him makes me mad. 

It was a soft target there isnt much security to speak of at the club with exception of off duty officers working a detail which there was one one officer last night. Maybe if there were more officers working or if security was tighter more lives could have been saved or this could have been prevented.

I dont think there is anything we can do to prevent these events from happening besides tightening security at places where large groups of people gather. Which is almost impossible to do. 

10 minutes ago, stevizzle123 said:

Well I dont think its fair to crizice the officer at this state he was working an off duty detail at a club clearly he was not prepared for this to happen no one was. The shooter had planned this and had an AR-15 the officer only had his service handgun im assuming.

 

Clearly this was not a fair fight and I think his actions still saved lives. 

I'm not criticizing the officer, I'm criticizing those that believe having one armed officer was sufficient enough to stop the shooting. The officer did his job, and I'm sure he did it as well as he could have. 

3 minutes ago, wteoh1 said:

FYI guys, I'm from the Chicagoland area near the city of Chicago. Despite having the strictest laws and laws from the city of Chicago, they have 1000 shootings a week, 483 been shot in 2015. If you read my post above, anti-gun laws aren't going to help but stir more politics and unnecessary drama in our society.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-20160421-story.html

That's because gangs and criminals know that the people are unarmed. They don't have to worry about mugging someone and then being shot in the back the second they turn and run with their wallet. This is why gun laws don't make any sense. You should target the person holding the gun, not the gun. The gun will always be there, the person and the incentive won't. I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult for gun-grabbers to comprehend.