I was watching this video and noticed how the guy filming (or someone nearby) was yelling how the police were weak when they were on the ground trying to detain him but when the officers started striking the suspect they got all upset and said that the police can't be doing that. Just goes to show how hypocritical these people are, they will talk shit about how weak the police are and how they can't take a guy into custody but once they start using force to try and make the arrest they scream police brutality.

I don't really have any other comments about the video, for the most part it is a pretty standard police encounter. Guy is resisting arrest, officers use force and arrest the guy. Just wanted to highlight the hypocrisy that seems to go unnoticed (or intentionally ignored) by the media today.

http://www.policeone.com/vehicle-incidents/articles/31744006-DC-police-investigating-arrest-caught-on-video/

Edited October 29, 201510 yr by l3ubba

I don't blame the camera guy though, as obnoxious as it was. It seemed like he was having a good time enjoying the show until it got ugly. Not sure if its hypocritical to be honest, since most people have a negative reaction to seeing someone being kicked in the head after they're in handcuffs...

 

6 hours ago, Riley24 said:

I don't blame the camera guy though, as obnoxious as it was. It seemed like he was having a good time enjoying the show until it got ugly. Not sure if its hypocritical to be honest, since most people have a negative reaction to seeing someone being kicked in the head after they're in handcuffs...

 

The guy wasn't in handcuffs yet nor was he kicked in the head. The officer was using knee strikes in order to gain compliance which is an approved technique that is taught in the police academy. If you want to sit there and taunt the police for being weak and not being able to arrest a guy then don't complain when they raise the level of force in order to make the arrest. Do they expect the police to just wrestle with the guy until they are tired and say "fuck it, we can't arrest him so we'll just let him go"?

These guys didn't have a taser, because it is prohibited in Washington (lol). So they need to use their fists, job well done.

16 hours ago, l3ubba said:

The guy wasn't in handcuffs yet nor was he kicked in the head. The officer was using knee strikes in order to gain compliance which is an approved technique that is taught in the police academy. If you want to sit there and taunt the police for being weak and not being able to arrest a guy then don't complain when they raise the level of force in order to make the arrest. Do they expect the police to just wrestle with the guy until they are tired and say "fuck it, we can't arrest him so we'll just let him go"?

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but I saw a few foot blows to the head near the end of the video, after he's already in cuffs with two cops on top of him...

I'm not one to criticize technique in a wrestling match, but once someone is in handcuffs, that's it. No more punching or kicking.

On 10/30/2015, 11:52:14, Riley24 said:

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but I saw a few foot blows to the head near the end of the video, after he's already in cuffs with two cops on top of him...

I'm not one to criticize technique in a wrestling match, but once someone is in handcuffs, that's it. No more punching or kicking.

He wasn't in cuffs yet and even if he was that doesn't mean that he isn't dangerous or can't resist anymore. Unfortunately handcuffs aren't these magical bracelets that make people compliant once they are wearing them.

Edited November 5, 201510 yr by l3ubba

On 10/29/2015, 5:00:11, l3ubba said:

I don't really have any other comments about the video, for the most part it is a pretty standard police encounter. Guy is resisting arrest, officers use force and arrest the guy. Just wanted to highlight the hypocrisy that seems to go unnoticed (or intentionally ignored) by the media today.

Your're "damned if you do and damned if you don't" use force while on the job as a street level police officer. I'd rather use it than not use it. I refuse to be that cop who got the sh*t kicked out of him (up to and including the guy pistol whipping the cop to a bloody pulp) because I want to look good on a cell phone camera. You're trained to wrestle suspects into an arrest-able position, and use leverage and strength to your advantage. But you don't always have those abilities or those options on the table. You will encounter people bigger and stronger than you, or people who are armed or on drugs. There is no such thing as a fair fight in real life. Follow protocol to the best of your ability, but when push comes to shove (no pun intended); if I encountered somebody I can't go easy on for fear of my own safety or ability to make the arrest to protect other people; I'd call for help (if possible) and open up a can of whoop ass. At the end of the day, the only person you can rely on is yourself unless you get lucky. I'd suggest all cops get martial arts training on their own time to help themselves stay safe.

Observe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m3olunypfw

Edited November 5, 201510 yr by unr3al

3 hours ago, unr3al said:

Your're "damned if you do and damned if you don't" use force while on the job as a street level police officer. I'd rather use it than not use it. I refuse to be that cop who got the sh*t kicked out of him (up to and including the guy pistol whipping the cop to a bloody pulp) because I want to look good on a cell phone camera. You're trained to wrestle suspects into an arrest-able position, and use leverage and strength to your advantage. But you don't always have those abilities or those options on the table. You will encounter people bigger and stronger than you, or people who are armed or on drugs. There is no such thing as a fair fight in real life. Follow protocol to the best of your ability, but when push comes to shove (no pun intended); if I encountered somebody I can't go easy on for fear of my own safety or ability to make the arrest to protect other people; I'd call for help (if possible) and open up a can of whoop ass. At the end of the day, the only person you can rely on is yourself unless you get lucky. I'd suggest all cops get martial arts training on their own time to help themselves stay safe.

Observe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m3olunypfw

Very true. Arresting a person who is resisting arrest is not a pretty thing to watch and I think that a lot of people today are heavily influenced by what they see on TV and in the movies that show police officers doing a quick arm bar and leg sweep and instantly getting the guy to comply and put handcuffs on when in reality that is very rarely the case. Police officers are normal people and don't have these secret moves that make every arrest quick and clean.

18 hours ago, l3ubba said:

Very true. Arresting a person who is resisting arrest is not a pretty thing to watch and I think that a lot of people today are heavily influenced by what they see on TV and in the movies that show police officers doing a quick arm bar and leg sweep and instantly getting the guy to comply and put handcuffs on when in reality that is very rarely the case. Police officers are normal people and don't have these secret moves that make every arrest quick and clean.

Playing the devil's advocate, most police officers don't practice the most basic of defensive tactics they should have received. 3 years later when they completely forget it, they go back to gross motor skills (kicks, knees, punches, baton, etc.) 

 

Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on how you look at it), I had to wrestle a guy who refused to let me put cuffs on him, about 2 months out of the academy. I decided to try one of the defensive tactics we learned (iron wristlock takedown, if you know what that is...* PAINFUL*), and easily got him to comply. To me, that is one tactic I'll practice religiously, if nothing else.

 

Playing the devil's advocate, most police officers don't practice the most basic of defensive tactics they should have received. 3 years later when they completely forget it, they go back to gross motor skills (kicks, knees, punches, baton, etc.) 

 

Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on how you look at it), I had to wrestle a guy who refused to let me put cuffs on him, about 2 months out of the academy. I decided to try one of the defensive tactics we learned (iron wristlock takedown, if you know what that is...* PAINFUL*), and easily got him to comply. To me, that is one tactic I'll practice religiously, if nothing else.

A really good YouTube channel for you if you'd like to keep your skills sharp. This video alone actually gives some advice you'll find very helpful. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQl7K_uPZzQ

 

A really good YouTube channel for you if you'd like to keep your skills sharp. This video alone actually gives some advice you'll find very helpful. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQl7K_uPZzQ

Love that guy! Always watch his videos, and brings up logical sense and points at times when common sense is absent from the media and lawmakers. 

 

Love that guy! Always watch his videos, and brings up logical sense and points at times when common sense is absent from the media and lawmakers. 

He did a great video debunking the Eric Garner choke hold case. I had no idea that rear naked chokes were supposed to slow down the blood flow of the carotid arteries, either. I learned something new.

 

He did a great video debunking the Eric Garner choke hold case. I had no idea that rear naked chokes were supposed to slow down the blood flow of the carotid arteries, either. I learned something new.

Yep. Especially with as quick as one would go out, if applied correctly. Garner struggled and managed to scream for a good while. Although, rear naked chokes, can very easily be turned into lethal force, by a mis-position of the arm.

2 hours ago, Pavelow said:

Yep. Especially with as quick as one would go out, if applied correctly. Garner struggled and managed to scream for a good while. Although, rear naked chokes, can very easily be turned into lethal force, by a mis-position of the arm.

It depends on how long it was held as how strong the cop is compared to the guy. Eric Garner was a big dude. An average sized or small cop trying to get a headlock on a guy Garner's size won't do much unless he gets it applied 100% right the first time, and that would involve getting behind him without him noticing and being so well trained in that sleeper hold that you either get it right every time you apply it, or you recognize you're not in a position where it will work and you refrain from using it and resort to something else. The cop in the video held it for about 5 seconds and Garner apparently said "I can't breathe" 9 times. People love using the "I can't breathe" thing as an excuse to try and get police to let go of them. The brain can last 5 minutes without oxygen before brain cells start dying (this is why heart attacks are so lethal as it takes an ambulance an average of 8 minutes to reach a victim). Garner had asthma, heart disease, was obese, and was resisting the police. Those were all considered factors in his death by the coroner. The lack of air he was supposedly getting therefore would likely have been from the police putting weight on his chest, combined with the added resistance of his adipose tissue (fat) against the ground, since his airway was cleared after a few seconds.

Ultimately his cause of death with resisting arrest, but a healthier person likely would have survived the ordeal. It's not his fault he had asthma, but his other conditions were self inflicted and resisting the police isn't a bright idea no matter how good of shape you're in.

Edited November 7, 201510 yr by unr3al

On 11/6/2015, 2:17:54, Pavelow said:

Playing the devil's advocate, most police officers don't practice the most basic of defensive tactics they should have received. 3 years later when they completely forget it, they go back to gross motor skills (kicks, knees, punches, baton, etc.) 

 

Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on how you look at it), I had to wrestle a guy who refused to let me put cuffs on him, about 2 months out of the academy. I decided to try one of the defensive tactics we learned (iron wristlock takedown, if you know what that is...* PAINFUL*), and easily got him to comply. To me, that is one tactic I'll practice religiously, if nothing else.

While it is true that some guys forget how to do certain techniques (although it is kind of hard to forget something as simple as an arm bar) punches and knee strikes are something that is taught in defensive tactics (at least the police academy I went to). Not sure what they taught you in the Air Force but I distinctly remember in my academy they taught us how to use knee strikes if someone is on the ground and not complying or if you are grappling with someone. Just because an officer throws some punches and knee strikes doesn't mean they have forgotten everything else. Sometimes the simple moves are the most effective.

4 hours ago, l3ubba said:

While it is true that some guys forget how to do certain techniques (although it is kind of hard to forget something as simple as an arm bar) punches and knee strikes are something that is taught in defensive tactics (at least the police academy I went to). Not sure what they taught you in the Air Force but I distinctly remember in my academy they taught us how to use knee strikes if someone is on the ground and not complying or if you are grappling with someone. Just because an officer throws some punches and knee strikes doesn't mean they have forgotten everything else. Sometimes the simple moves are the most effective.

Oh yeah. I learned those at the police academy I went to. Although we try not to use them, due to the aggressive appearance. Although at my post academy, we were taught a lot of different grappling techniques and compliance techniques. Same reason a lot of departments either A) don't issue batons or B) spend very little time on baton training. Again, received very little training on my baton during the academy, but relieved a plethora of it at my post academy. Post academy was taught by my agency, while the actual academy is state run.

Baton training actually is pretty important if they're going to issue you one, since it's one of the easiest weapons to get taken away from you if used incorrectly. Using a baton intentionally closes that three foot gap where somebody could disarm someone who has a gun, so cops who use it better get it right the first time.

8 hours ago, Pavelow said:

Oh yeah. I learned those at the police academy I went to. Although we try not to use them, due to the aggressive appearance. Although at my post academy, we were taught a lot of different grappling techniques and compliance techniques. Same reason a lot of departments either A) don't issue batons or B) spend very little time on baton training. Again, received very little training on my baton during the academy, but relieved a plethora of it at my post academy. Post academy was taught by my agency, while the actual academy is state run.

When it came to defensive tactics our instructors didn't tell us to use certain techniques over others based on how brutal they looked. We learned every technique and were taught how and when to use it properly. As someone who is of a slightly smaller build (I'm only about 5'7") I don't really care how brutal I look when I'm trying to take someone down, I'm not going to let someone overpower me.

You're taught different techniques to wind a person as well to" take the fight out of them" those techniques usually entail using a series of body blows that to any other officer seem to be reasonable use of force which in N.Y. on the online booking sheet we would have to write that we used that force necessary to overcome the resistance. The average person sees that as police brutality although I have found by continuously yelling "stop resisting" for the most part we would get the crowd to start yelling at the perp to stop fighting. It's all in perception which, nowadays any hands on techniques used the public cries police brutality

Edited November 9, 201510 yr by gatekeeper

On 11/8/2015, 11:18:11, gatekeeper said:

You're taught different techniques to wind a person as well to" take the fight out of them" those techniques usually entail using a series of body blows that to any other officer seem to be reasonable use of force which in N.Y. on the online booking sheet we would have to write that we used that force necessary to overcome the resistance. The average person sees that as police brutality although I have found by continuously yelling "stop resisting" for the most part we would get the crowd to start yelling at the perp to stop fighting. It's all in perception which, nowadays any hands on techniques used the public cries police brutality

I find that "quit resisting" often doesn't work as much now since crowds now think you're making up any supposed resistance in order to justify hitting them. I'm well aware that this isn't usually the case, but people don't care. It's easier to live in ignorance.