Wait....really? This is pretty much common knowledge. I'm not criticizing you for not knowing it, since it sounds like you might have been mislead at some point, which is an unfortunate part of our country haha.

 

Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom, which humans are a part of. We are supposed to be heterosexual for reproductive purposes, but homosexuality is something that some are born with. 

 

If you're not convinced that its a choice, let me ask you this: do you remember choosing to be straight?

We are supposed to be heterosexual for reproductive purposes

 

​Yeah sure lets go around impregnating women for babies. 

 

We are not animals

 

No, not obvious. Human Beings are unique creations. 

If you were to agree with Creationists like me, you would be of the belief that Human Beings are created in the image of God and that we are not related to other creatures (especially since we are supposed to have dominion over the creatures of the earth). 

Hope that helps.

 

Did you read any of the thread? I think it has been beaten to death this "natural vs. unnatural" nonsense. Oral sex doesn't produce a child. Is that also "unnatural?" I'm also tired of this "homosexuals can't reproduce so it isn't natural" bullshit. Some people are infertile. If they have sex, that must also be unnatural then as no child can be produced. 

 

How many infants do you know that come out of the womb and tell the world their sexual preferences and desires? A lot of people know they're gay in the same way I'm sure you know you're straight. You didn't make a conscious decision to one day like women, did you? 

Listen you believe what you will however I will stick to what I know. Like for example  scientist are  consistently fighting against nature. If were natural it would have been accepted many many years ago thus leaving gays with no closet to come out of. 

 

Taking a crap is natural there's no secret to it, no debate about it we all do and everyone has to accept it. However being gay is not hence the argument. In my opinion if its a birth thing, with all due respect to gays its a birth defect. Please don't be mad at me Its just my opinion. guys OK

 

I love all people just don't agree with all the ways of some people.

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by NYPDDetectiveODonnell

I can totally imagine a huge black room with one guy or girl sitting on a chair, enlightened by a single light, with two buttons in front of them, one being "I love tits" and the other "I love shlongs". Would be hilarious.

I had a dream like that once, but I won't go into detail otherwise I'll probably get suspended lol.

 

Wait....really? This is pretty much common knowledge. I'm not criticizing you for not knowing it, since it sounds like you might have been mislead at some point, which is an unfortunate part of our country haha.

 

Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom, which humans are a part of. We are supposed to be heterosexual for reproductive purposes, but homosexuality is something that some are born with. 

 

If you're not convinced that its a choice, let me ask you this: do you remember choosing to be straight?

Yeah I have yet to meet anyone who believes that being homosexual was normal. My area, hell my entire state is majority Conservative Republican lol.

Today I learned that I have a birth defect...

Today I learned that I have a birth defect...

Today I learned that because I'm Black, I'm supposed to eat fried chicken, talk ghetto, live in the hood, get beat by the Police, and commit crime.

Today I learned that because I'm Black, I'm supposed to eat fried chicken, talk ghetto, live in the hood, get beat by the Police, and commit crime.

What would you like me to say to this? I don't see the relevance. 

Allow me to rephrase. I understand why some people are opposed to it. What bothers me are the explanations behind the opposition. I have trouble rationalizing the idea that something can be considered wrong or bad because a 2000 year old story book tells them so when homosexuality is a completely natural human behavior. Again, the exact same thing as heterosexuality.

Everyone uses the "it's 2000 years old" excuse. For example, if I write "2+2=4" on a piece of paper and someone found it in 200 years, it would not be false because of it's age. Why does age affect it's credibility?

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by 1ian20

What would you like me to say to this? I don't see the relevance. 

This is exactly how I feel towards:

 

Today I learned that I have a birth defect...

Everyone uses the "it's 2000 years old" excuse. For example, if I write "2+2=4" on a piece of paper and someone found it in 200 years, it would not be false because of it's age. Why does age affect it's credibility?

It's ad hominem. You got me.

 

However, to use the Bible as a basis for an opinion, to me, is an incredibly weak basis. The amount of things in the Bible that are either completely untrue or impossible, to me, discredits it as any kind of source. Especially in a matter of biology, psychology, and the related fields that are necessary for this discussion.

This is exactly how I feel towards:

 

Today I learned that I have a birth defect...

My post was intended to be sarcastic to mock the person that made the comment. I don't follow what you're trying to say. 

It's ad hominem. You got me.

 

However, to use the Bible as a basis for an opinion, to me, is an incredibly weak basis. The amount of things in the Bible that are either completely untrue or impossible, to me, discredits it as any kind of source. Especially in a matter of biology, psychology, and the related fields that are necessary for this discussion.

My post was intended to be sarcastic to mock the person that made the comment. I don't follow what you're trying to say. 

Well, as a Catholic, I follow the bible. I respect your opinion that it is a weak basis, but the bible is the basis to my religion, so it's hard for me not to follow it.

 

Respect my opinion if you wish, Keep rejecting.

 

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by OSHPTROOPERSHORTY

We are supposed to be heterosexual for reproductive purposes

 

​Yeah sure lets go around impregnating women for babies. 

 

We are not animals

 

No, not obvious. Human Beings are unique creations. 

If you were to agree with Creationists like me, you would be of the belief that Human Beings are created in the image of God and that we are not related to other creatures (especially since we are supposed to have dominion over the creatures of the earth). 

Hope that helps.

 

Listen you believe what you will however I will stick to what I know. Like for example  scientist are  consistently fighting against nature. If were natural it would have been accepted many many years ago thus leaving gays with no closet to come out of. 

 

Taking a crap is natural there's no secret to it, no debate about it we all do and everyone has to accept it. However being gay is not hence the argument. In my opinion if its a birth thing, with all due respect to gays its a birth defect. Please don't be mad at me Its just my opinion. guys OK

 

I love all people just don't agree with all the ways of some people.

 

I can't even believe what I'm reading. Are you really serious? A birth defect? Do you know who was talking like that? Some kind of dictator in Germany, seventy years ago. I can't even believe that in the 21th century, some people think like that. You say you want to stick to what you know? Well, here is something: we -ARE- animals. Mamals, breathing, eating, drinking, giving birth and swarming this poor earth like a plague. Denying that is not being religious, it's being stupid. If you were not fighting against nature, you would be naked like Adam and Eve, you'd not use a computer or anything related to science, you would make adultery, incest, and all that stuff animals do. That's natural. But since you seem incredibly stubborn because enclosed to your outdated religion, here is something to read about people using your kind of arguments against homosexuality:

 

 

"It's a perversion"

 

This is simply a variation, with added bigotry, of the "It's not natural" argument. It implies that being gay is a mental disorder or disability even though there is no evidence to support such a claim. Defining homosexuality as a disability is a classic argument from definitionfallacy. But the definition of disability does not include sexuality or gender. Being LGBTQ+ in no way impairs your ability to function as a human being in and of itself. In addition, drawing a parallel with sexuality and disability is a very troubling false equivocation, especially because it assumes that disabled people also do not deserve respect and empathy.

Meanwhile, some fundamentalists claim that homosexuality is a creation of the devil.

George Bernard Shaw's Man and Superman has the lovely line, "Chastity is the most unnatural of perversions."

 

"It's against God's law"

 

Before we try to address this issue: Why do the infidels have to pay attention to your God? Then comes the presuppositional argument that everything is contingent on the God of your religion, or double standard of saying that freedom of religion does not apply to those people, or that separation of church and state does not really exist.

Conservative Christians claim that God condemns homosexuality, but Jesus actually never brought the subject up, as it was apparently not very high on his list of important things to do or not do. While this argument may be relevant for some religious practitioners, it has no relevance to those people who read Scripture in a more accommodating fashion, or who simply do not believe in God.

It is interesting that the strongest religious criticisms of homosexuality (at least in Western countries) usually come from Christians, butJesus Christ himself is not recorded as saying anything whatsoever about homosexuality. Biblical condemnations of homosexuality come from the Old Testament (specifically Leviticus) and later apostles such as St Paul.

 

"Marriage has a traditional, ancient definition"

 

Homophobes might say that marriage is an ancient institution, clearly defined as a union between man and woman. They ignore that Christian and other communities have condoned polygamy, forced marriage^[7] and child marriage, and in some cases banned interracial^[8]or inter-religious marriage.^[9]

Many conservatives claim that extra-marital sexual relationships are sinful. So if same-sex marriage is not allowed, all same-sex sexual activities would be sinful, by definition.

Homophobes might say that gay marriage would ruin the sanctity of straight marriage, without explaining how this would occur. Some use vague Non sequitur explanations as to why it would devalue their marriage For example, "If we recognize counterfeit money, it devalues the real thing. Therefore, if we recognize SSM, traditional marriage is devalued."

Straight people have softened up straight marriage themselves, by allowing divorce, unregistered cohabitation and de-criminalization ofadultery. And many years later, when some gays want to marry, they get the blame for ruining straight marriage.

 

"Homosexuals choose to be that way"

 

Homophobes often claim that those living the "gay lifestyle" have simply chosen to be gay.

This could be correct for any given individual making this argument, but only if they are bisexual. Most people are attracted primarily to either men or women, and can exercise very little, if any, choice in the matter. Bisexual people, however, could conceivably choose to act on their attraction to the opposite sex and ignore their similar attraction to the same sex. But this would not make a bisexual person heterosexual.

Also curious and rarely discussed is why this should even be relevant; it's not as though societies routinely ban behaviors just because they appear to be choices rather than innate and inflexible preferences, whatever that distinction can be said to mean in an apparentlydeterministic universe. Blind to their own irony, the same people who revile the gays with the non-argument that homosexuality is a "choice" and thus wrong (...implying that it'd be okay if it weren't, as most evidence suggests?) are often very pleased to attempt to inflict a distinctly choice-based religious lifestyle on anyone who'll sit still and listen to their crazy, and none of them ever flips on his gay switch to show us just how easy it is to swap boning preferences.

 

Arguments about children and reproduction

 

Conservatives might shout "Won't somebody think of the children?" and defend the norm of the heterosexual nuclear family. Of course, some children have same-sex parents, and credible research^[14] can't seem to find any difference between them and children raised by opposite-sex parents. Ironically, homophobic policies like bans on same-sex marriage diminish the ability of same-sex parents to form stable households, harming their children. So yes, won't somebody think of the children indeed?

 

"Homosexuality is not reproductive"

 

Most sexual encounters in the Western World today are non-reproductive. These include barrier birth control, biochemical birth control,fertility awareness, non-penetrative sex, sex with sterilized people, sex with less fertile people (due to old age or other reasons), and homosexuality.

Same-sex couples also commonly do something that is arguably more humanitarian that creating new people: they adopt children. There is also no requirement to make new people anyway, and a growing childfree movement against the entrenched emphasis on family and reproduction, while the world's population is still increasing. Does the planet desperately need more reproductive sex that badly?

 

"Children need a male and a female role model"

 

A child has many opportunities to find role models; such role models don't need to be legal guardians of the child. Children of full-time working parents spend more time awake in daycare and school than with their parents. It should also be noted that, despite insistence that having both a male and female parent is vital for child development, homophobes will typically have less problems with single parents raising children.

 

Amongst others things. Source: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Homophobia#Rationalizations_of_homophobia

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by Hystery

I can't even believe what I'm reading. Are you really serious? A birth defect? Do you know who was talking like that? Some kind of dictator in Germany, seventy years ago. I can't even believe that in the 21th century, some people think like that. You say you want to stick to what you know? Well, here is something: we -ARE- animals. Mamals, breathing, eating, drinking, giving birth and swarming this poor earth like a plague. Denying that is not being religious, it's being stupid. If you were not fighting against nature, you would be naked like Adam and Eve, you'd not use a computer or anything related to science, you would make adultery, incest, and all that stuff animals do. That's natural. But since you seem incredibly stubborn because enclosed to your outdated religion, here is something to read about people using your kind of arguments against homosexuality:

 

 

"It's a perversion"

 

This is simply a variation, with added bigotry, of the "It's not natural" argument. It implies that being gay is a mental disorder or disability even though there is no evidence to support such a claim. Defining homosexuality as a disability is a classic argument from definitionfallacy. But the definition of disability does not include sexuality or gender. Being LGBTQ+ in no way impairs your ability to function as a human being in and of itself. In addition, drawing a parallel with sexuality and disability is a very troubling false equivocation, especially because it assumes that disabled people also do not deserve respect and empathy.

Meanwhile, some fundamentalists claim that homosexuality is a creation of the devil.

George Bernard Shaw's Man and Superman has the lovely line, "Chastity is the most unnatural of perversions."

 

"It's against God's law"

 

Before we try to address this issue: Why do the infidels have to pay attention to your God? Then comes the presuppositional argument that everything is contingent on the God of your religion, or double standard of saying that freedom of religion does not apply to those people, or that separation of church and state does not really exist.

Conservative Christians claim that God condemns homosexuality, but Jesus actually never brought the subject up, as it was apparently not very high on his list of important things to do or not do. While this argument may be relevant for some religious practitioners, it has no relevance to those people who read Scripture in a more accommodating fashion, or who simply do not believe in God.

It is interesting that the strongest religious criticisms of homosexuality (at least in Western countries) usually come from Christians, butJesus Christ himself is not recorded as saying anything whatsoever about homosexuality. Biblical condemnations of homosexuality come from the Old Testament (specifically Leviticus) and later apostles such as St Paul.

 

"Marriage has a traditional, ancient definition"

 

Homophobes might say that marriage is an ancient institution, clearly defined as a union between man and woman. They ignore that Christian and other communities have condoned polygamy, forced marriage^[7] and child marriage, and in some cases banned interracial^[8]or inter-religious marriage.^[9]

Many conservatives claim that extra-marital sexual relationships are sinful. So if same-sex marriage is not allowed, all same-sex sexual activities would be sinful, by definition.

Homophobes might say that gay marriage would ruin the sanctity of straight marriage, without explaining how this would occur. Some use vague Non sequitur explanations as to why it would devalue their marriage For example, "If we recognize counterfeit money, it devalues the real thing. Therefore, if we recognize SSM, traditional marriage is devalued."

Straight people have softened up straight marriage themselves, by allowing divorce, unregistered cohabitation and de-criminalization ofadultery. And many years later, when some gays want to marry, they get the blame for ruining straight marriage.

 

"Homosexuals choose to be that way"

 

Homophobes often claim that those living the "gay lifestyle" have simply chosen to be gay.

This could be correct for any given individual making this argument, but only if they are bisexual. Most people are attracted primarily to either men or women, and can exercise very little, if any, choice in the matter. Bisexual people, however, could conceivably choose to act on their attraction to the opposite sex and ignore their similar attraction to the same sex. But this would not make a bisexual person heterosexual.

Also curious and rarely discussed is why this should even be relevant; it's not as though societies routinely ban behaviors just because they appear to be choices rather than innate and inflexible preferences, whatever that distinction can be said to mean in an apparentlydeterministic universe. Blind to their own irony, the same people who revile the gays with the non-argument that homosexuality is a "choice" and thus wrong (...implying that it'd be okay if it weren't, as most evidence suggests?) are often very pleased to attempt to inflict a distinctly choice-based religious lifestyle on anyone who'll sit still and listen to their crazy, and none of them ever flips on his gay switch to show us just how easy it is to swap boning preferences.

 

Arguments about children and reproduction

 

Conservatives might shout "Won't somebody think of the children?" and defend the norm of the heterosexual nuclear family. Of course, some children have same-sex parents, and credible research^[14] can't seem to find any difference between them and children raised by opposite-sex parents. Ironically, homophobic policies like bans on same-sex marriage diminish the ability of same-sex parents to form stable households, harming their children. So yes, won't somebody think of the children indeed?

 

"Homosexuality is not reproductive"

 

Most sexual encounters in the Western World today are non-reproductive. These include barrier birth control, biochemical birth control,fertility awareness, non-penetrative sex, sex with sterilized people, sex with less fertile people (due to old age or other reasons), and homosexuality.

Same-sex couples also commonly do something that is arguably more humanitarian that creating new people: they adopt children. There is also no requirement to make new people anyway, and a growing childfree movement against the entrenched emphasis on family and reproduction, while the world's population is still increasing. Does the planet desperately need more reproductive sex that badly?

 

"Children need a male and a female role model"

 

A child has many opportunities to find role models; such role models don't need to be legal guardians of the child. Children of full-time working parents spend more time awake in daycare and school than with their parents. It should also be noted that, despite insistence that having both a male and female parent is vital for child development, homophobes will typically have less problems with single parents raising children.

 

Amongst others things. Source: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Homophobia#Rationalizations_of_homophobia

The only thing this says is that homosexuality is being promoted much like it says in the bible. The bible says that in the last days we will see homosexuality at a higher rate than ever, and wow here we are its an epidemic for crying out loud.  What has happened is that the gays have outsmarted the rest they have taken control of politics, the music industry, and the fashion industry giving them power to make laws, and power to become popular.  Sorry but I am sticking to what I know to be right not what some researchers who a likely gay themselves put forth on paper and internet.

 

some children have same-sex parents, and credible research can't seem to find any difference between them and children raised by opposite-sex parents.

 

False the difference is obvious the children will end up gay creating an even bigger rise of the gay community. Its not fair give children a choice don't force your lifestyle on them.  

 

there is no such thing as bi-sexuality its made up by people who care primarily about their sexual appetite's. Like heaven and hell there's no middle for straight and gay. its either or. 

 

Jesus never mentioned homosexuality  but He did condemn all forms of sexual immorality:

What comes out of you is what defiles you. For from within, out of your hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile you. (TNIV, Mark 7:20-23) 

 

​Not to mention the bible condemns it in both Old and New testaments:

 

  The apostle Paul, in one of his letters to the Corinthians, wrote the verses most often quoted on this subject:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11)

Homosexual behavior is prohibited in Scripture (Leviticus 20:13) and was a major cause of the divine judgment against Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:4-5, 12-13). The apostle Paul listed homosexuals among “the unrighteous” who would not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9), and declared that God’s wrath stands against such behavior, whether practiced by men or women (Romans 1:26-27).

 

Nice try dude but have you ever read the bible clearly, or do you just do what most people do and choose what makes your argument look good.

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by NYPDDetectiveODonnell

there is no such thing as bi-sexuality its made up by people who care primarily about their sexual appetite's. Like heaven and hell there's no middle for straight and gay. its either or.

 

I'm bisexual, I made love with both men and women, and it doesn't change the fact that I'm right now in a stable relationship with my boyfriend for more than a year, monogamous and faithful, that we plan to marry and adopt a child. I don't care primarily about my sexual appetite, so your argument is invalid.

 

That's actually incredible that you can give us this kind of argument that comes right from the middle age, looks like you were born in the wrong century. Or that you have a "birth defect", as you stated.

I'm bisexual, I made love with both men and women, and it doesn't change the fact that I'm right now in a stable relationship with my boyfriend for more than a year, monogamous and faithful, that we plan to marry and adopt a child. I don't care primarily about my sexual appetite, so your argument is invalid.

 

That's actually incredible that you can give us this kind of argument that comes right from the middle age, looks like you were born in the wrong century. Or that you have a "birth defect", as you stated.

That's actually incredible that you can give us this kind of argument that comes right from the middle age, looks like you were born in the wrong century. Or that you have a "birth defect", as you stated.

 

Nope wrong again I just can face reality. Reality is Men can never be women , and vice versa. I don't need satan's newly manufactured  way of life. Oh and to your Jesus never mention homosexuality ha I already provided sources proving he did.

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by NYPDDetectiveODonnell

That's actually incredible that you can give us this kind of argument that comes right from the middle age, looks like you were born in the wrong century. Or that you have a "birth defect", as you stated.

 

Nope wrong again I just can face reality. Reality is Men can never be women , and vice versa. I don't need satan's newly manufactured  way of life. Oh and to your Jesus never mention homosexuality ha I already provided sources proving he did.

First of all, I -never- said "Jesus" never mentioned homosexuality, looks like you are inventing a story by yourself. Hold your horses and learn to read.

 

Second, reality is that homosexuality does exist and is a NORMAL thing, no matter what you think. That's how it is, denying it is being stupid, and retarded.

 

But keep deluding yourself with your outdated religion and book, it's fine. Keep segregating homosexuals and bisexuals, keep saying it's a "birth defect", that they shouldn't exist or whatsoever. Your parents must be proud to have a child so tolerant with people.

First of all, I -never- said "Jesus" never mentioned homosexuality, looks like you are inventing a story by yourself. Hold your horses and learn to read.

 

Second, reality is that homosexuality does exist and is a NORMAL thing, no matter what you think. That's how it is, denying it is being stupid, and retarded.

 

But keep deluding yourself with your outdated religion and book, it's fine. Keep segregating homosexuals and bisexuals, keep saying it's a "birth defect", that they shouldn't exist or whatsoever. Your parents must be proud to have a child so tolerant with people.

UHH are we not reading. Oh I get it you copied and pasted what you wrote and failed to read through the entire thread but here's what you pasted:

 

Conservative Christians claim that God condemns homosexuality, but Jesus actually never brought the subject up, as it was apparently not very high on his list of important things to do or not do.

 

Sounds to me like you did.

 

Also its not normal, Normal is taking a crap after your food has digested, normal is sticking a key in a lock and getting the door open(Sex between male and female) Not donating sperm to same sex couples, or adopting babies telling them they are the parents. Satan has created this false lifestyle. He even told God that he will do everything God would be able to do. And that is what he is trying to prove today with his False lifestyle. No matter what he tries he will never able to do what God has done. Your lifestyle has terrible side effects. 

 

But hey who you sleep with in your bed don't make me lose sleep enjoy your life. I don't hate you sir I love all people including you. :) May God bless you and guide you. 

 

Good day.

UHH are we not reading. Oh I get it you copied and pasted what you wrote and failed to read through the entire thread but here's what you pasted:

 

Conservative Christians claim that God condemns homosexuality, but Jesus actually never brought the subject up, as it was apparently not very high on his list of important things to do or not do.

 

Sounds to me like you did.

 

Also its not normal, Normal is taking a crap after your food has digested, normal is sticking a key in a lock and getting the door open(Sex between male and female) Not donating sperm to same sex couples, or adopting babies telling them they are the parents. Satan has created this false lifestyle. He even told God that he will do everything God would be able to do. And that is what he is trying to prove today with his False lifestyle. No matter what he tries he will never able to do what God has done. Your lifestyle has terrible side effects. 

 

But hey who you sleep with in your bed don't make me lose sleep enjoy your life. I don't hate you sir I love all people including you. :) May God bless you and guide you. 

 

Good day.

 

No, again, you are not reading and keeping yourself enclosed in your bubble. I QUOTED that, I never claimed I was the author. So indeed, I never said Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, the quote did.

 

And I don't need any bless from your god, thanks, I'd consider it more like a curse than anything considering how enchained your mind is.

No, again, you are not reading and keeping yourself enclosed in your bubble. I QUOTED that, I never claimed I was the author. So indeed, I never said Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, the quote did.

 

And I don't need any bless from your god, thanks, I'd consider it more like a curse than anything considering how enchained your mind is.

No, again, you are not reading and keeping yourself enclosed in your bubble. I QUOTED that, I never claimed I was the author. So indeed, I never said Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, the quote did.

 

Listen sir we don't quote things or people we don't support. Whether or not it was your words serves no purpose. The quote was supported by you.

 

And I don't need any bless from your god, thanks, I'd consider it more like a curse than anything considering how enchained your mind is.

 

Hatred in you heart huh you are no different than people who hate your kind.  Keep giving gays bad names.

 

Sir you are loved by hetero's and gays. We love you differently that's all. 

No, again, you are not reading and keeping yourself enclosed in your bubble. I QUOTED that, I never claimed I was the author. So indeed, I never said Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, the quote did.

And I don't need any bless from your god, thanks, I'd consider it more like a curse than anything considering how enchained your mind is.

It isn't worth it to keep going with this. Some people are so far up their own asses with their delusions that nothing will ever make them change. It is sad, really.

It isn't worth it to keep going with this. Some people are so far up their own asses with their delusions that nothing will ever make them change. It is sad, really.

 

Yeah, it just drives me crazy that in the 21st century, some people are still not even able to think by themselves and can have such backward opinions and states of mind. In this era where science is always progressing and revealing the origin of the human race and big bang, some people still believe creationism is a plausible cause of our existence and are denying obvious truths.