Yeah, it just drives me crazy that in the 21st century, some people are still not even able to think by themselves and can have such backward opinions and states of mind. In this era where science is always progressing and revealing the origin of the human race and big bang, some people still believe creationism is a plausible cause of our existence and are denying obvious truths.

What bothers me is that they force it on their kids. It absolutely kills me that children are forced to believe this nonsense. If you want to stay in the past, go ahead, but don't drag your kids down with you.

This is where the topic needs to be closed, because people can't have an educated and mature debate without consulting to personal attacks, name-calling, and immature arguments. All points have been made and debated, and nothing has changed; surprise surprise, it's the internet. 

I don't think the topic needs to be closed, its fine. What I don't get is why people say being gay is wrong, its not, homosexuality has been around for thousands of years. 

I don't think the topic needs to be closed, its fine. What I don't get is why people say being gay is wrong, its not, homosexuality has been around for thousands of years. 

The argument between Hystery, Sir_Sergeant, and NYPDDetectiveODonnell has lost it's value. Most of it is turning into personal attacks and low blows. I'll report it to a moderator and let them decide for themselves. This topic is pretty much dead on the subject of debating homosexuality at the moment. Plus, we've already had a debate topic on homosexuality.

Yeah, it just drives me crazy that in the 21st century, some people are still not even able to think by themselves and can have such backward opinions and states of mind. In this era where science is always progressing and revealing the origin of the human race and big bang, some people still believe creationism is a plausible cause of our existence and are denying obvious truths.

Oh the irony. You want us to be accepting of you, yet you sit here an criticize us for our beliefs. Now how is that fair? Also, I'd love to see these "truths" you speak of that can absolutely disprove the existence of God.

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by 1ian20

Oh the irony. You want us to be accepting of you, yet you sit here an criticize us for our beliefs. Now how is that fair? Also, I'd love to see these "truths" you speak of that can absolutely disprove the existence of God.

 

Well first of all, you can't prove god is real or disprove it, and I agree with Hystery, how is it that you people believe in creationism, but there is no proof for it, evolution is pretty much been proven, backed up with mountains of scientific evidence. Also I'm curious on your stance on homosexuality. 

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Oh the irony. You want us to be accepting of you, yet you sit here an criticize us for our beliefs. Now how is that fair? Also, I'd love to see these "truths" you speak of that can absolutely disprove the existence of God.

There is no proof that absolutely 100% completely disapproves the existence of a God. There are theories that challenge certain aspects of the existence of a God, but there isn't anything that totally bombs the idea of a God from making sense.

Well first of all, you can't prove god is real or disprove it, and I agree with Hystery, how is it that you people believe in creationism, but there is no proof for it, evolution is pretty much been proven, backed up with mountains of scientific evidence. Also I'm curious on your stance on homosexuality. 

 

Neither evolution or the big bang can explain how everything came into existence. And also, people tend to believe that if you believe in religion, you cannot believe in science. I am a Christian, I do believe in evolution.

While we may not be able to with 100% certainty disprove the notion of divine entities, there is zero proof that such beings do exist. The burden of proof lies with theists, not atheists/agnostics. I have never heard a compelling argument backed up with substantive evidence for the existence of a god or gods. 

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by SIR_Sergeant

While we may not be able to with 100% certainty disprove the notion of divine entities, there is zero proof that such beings do exist. The burden of proof lies with theists, not atheists/agnostics. I have never heard a compelling argument backed up with substantive evidence for the existence of a god or gods. 

You cannot 100% disapprove the existence of a God, maybe because what you can't disapprove is true? Christianity for example, the Bible isn't a lie. The Bible is a conglomerate of first-hand accounts written by followers of Jesus Christ. Whether or not you actually believe what they're saying, is up to you.

 

Let me ask you this. If Jesus Christ were to come down to Earth, perform miracles, and announce the worlds end, would you then believe?

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz

*see comment two posts down*

 

Mod may delete this if they read it. 

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by SIR_Sergeant

The Bible is rife with impossibilities and inaccuracies. To somehow try to use the Bible as proof of the Christian god will get you nowhere, especially when arguing against an atheist/agnostic. If god does exist as you claim, what proof can you offer besides the Bible? Is there a way you propose we could test for god? Something that establishes hard evidence? 

I think it's very interesting how atheists want those that follow religion to be more lenient, separate church from state, and not "force" their beliefs on other people. Yet it's these same atheists that criticize every aspect of our beliefs and disapprove of anything it proposes. Very hypocritical to me.

 

The Bible is an easy example of proof. Whether or not you accept this proof as true if your own decision. If some sort of divine being came down to Earth and healed the world, then everybody would be a Christian and it would defeat the purpose. It's about belief, faith, and trust.

 

Just because we can't physically touch and see something doesn't mean that it isn't true, or doesn't exist. It's also amazing the number of people that deny the existence of a God, then when their life flashes before their very eyes, they call out to a God.

 

By the way you never answered my question of, "If Jesus Christ came down to Earth performing miracles, would you believe?".

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz

You cannot 100% disapprove the existence of a God, maybe because what you can't disapprove is true? Christianity for example, the Bible isn't a lie. The Bible is a conglomerate of first-hand accounts written by followers of Jesus Christ. Whether or not you actually believe what they're saying, is up to you.

 

Let me ask you this. If Jesus Christ were to come down to Earth, perform miracles, and announce the worlds end, would you then believe?

Something cannot exist if it can't be tested for. Everything we know exists, we can prove. Unless you get incredibly meta, it can be proven that my keyboard is real. Barack Obama is real. The Milky Way Galaxy is real. All of these things can in some capacity be observed and proven to exist. How do you propose we test for a god to see if it exists? 

 

The Bible is is rife with impossibilities. It has also been compiled, translated, and edited countless times by people with countless motives and uses for it. If you can find a way to actually back up some of the miraculous claims the Bible makes, I'd love to hear them. 

 

I wouldn't really have a choice then, would I? But since such a thing won't happen because it is impossible, it isn't a situation that concerns me. 

Something cannot exist if it can't be tested for. Everything we know exists, we can prove. Unless you get incredibly meta, it can be proven that my keyboard is real. Barack Obama is real. The Milky Way Galaxy is real. All of these things can in some capacity be observed and proven to exist. How do you propose we test for a god to see if it exists? 

 

The Bible is is rife with impossibilities. It has also been compiled, translated, and edited countless times by people with countless motives and uses for it. If you can find a way to actually back up some of the miraculous claims the Bible makes, I'd love to hear them. 

 

I wouldn't really have a choice then, would I? But since such a thing won't happen because it is impossible, it isn't a situation that concerns me. 

There are so many flaws with your post, but to prevent us from going off-topic any further I'll just leave this here:

 

"I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, Than to live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is."

While we may not be able to with 100% certainty disprove the notion of divine entities, there is zero proof that such beings do exist. The burden of proof lies with theists, not atheists/agnostics. I have never heard a compelling argument backed up with substantive evidence for the existence of a god or gods. 

You're right. There is no scientific evidence, but there is logical and spiritual evidence.

You're right. There is no scientific evidence, but there is logical and spiritual evidence.

Such as...? And what do you mean by "spiritual evidence?"

Such as...? And what do you mean by "spiritual evidence?"

It is logical that matter cannot create itself. Therefore, the universe could not have just "appeared" out of nowhere on it's own. Lots of people argue that there was dark matter, which is matter that cannot be seen. It's still matter, and it still cannot create itself. To me, this is logical evidence that there is a greater being that created us. At some point, there was no matter whatsoever. So were did it all come from?

It isn't worth it to keep going with this. Some people are so far up their own asses with their delusions that nothing will ever make them change. It is sad, really.

Lol really? Nice try: OK Look at it from our standpoint, I have surrounded myself around enough gays to know their agenda.  Their agenda is not everyone to live in harmony but rather spit on heteros who they think have spat on them for years. Gays have no interest in respecting straight people they hate us and make mockery of our lifestyle and religious beliefs. Infact most are hypocrites :

 

True story

I lived in West Virginia and a guy named David Posey wanted to have intercourse's with me, he stated that I was in the closet and just in denial about my sexuality and that I even looked Homosexual. My response to him was that I was hetero sexual and could never be gay. He took this as an insult and got real angry with me. shortly after he then tried the same night to force himself on me even in front of my wife. Saying things like "come on let me suck your D*ck, what are you afraid of that I will do it better than you wife" He also has stolen kisses and ran off.  One day after wanting to scream at him for his actions I simply told him this "If you want us to respect your sexuality learn to have respect for ours". He then responded "Oh my intentions are not to respect your sexuality, but rather turn you out of it". 

 

Moral of the story gays feel like they are outcast and look to a world where everyone is like them.

Edited January 14, 201511 yr by NYPDDetectiveODonnell

It is logical that matter cannot create itself. Therefore, the universe could not have just "appeared" out of nowhere on it's own. Lots of people argue that there was dark matter, which is matter that cannot be seen. It's still matter, and it still cannot create itself. To me, this is logical evidence that there is a greater being that created us. At some point, there was no matter whatsoever. So were did it all come from?

The law of conservation of mass states that matter cannot be created or destroyed. How does your model of god creating everything work if you've accepted that matter cannot be created?