An estimated 15,000 people in the east German city of Dresden turned out to march against the “Islamization of the West” Monday night, with protesters demanding an overhaul of the country’s immigration system. The demonstration, organized by a far-right populist group, is the largest of its kind since such protests began in the city in October,according to to Deutsche Welle.

Demonstrators marched through the city carrying German flags and banners with slogans such as “protect our homeland,” “zero tolerance towards criminal asylum seekers” and “no Sharia law in Europe.” The crowds also chanted “we are the people,” evoking the slogan adopted by protesters against the East German government ahead of the fall of the Berlin Wall, reported the Guardian. Organizers have sought to emphasize that their criticisms are focused on the country’s refugee policy, but their opponents have labeled them Nazis and a counter-protest of 9,000 people also took to the streets calling for greater tolerance.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/thousands-march-in-germany-anti-islamization-protests/ar-BBgRXHN?ocid=ansIntBusinessTimes11

 

I somewhat agree with these marches, as do quiet a few others.

 

"Islam is a danger to all free people of the world and the German people know it."

 

"Maybe the Germans have it right this time."

 

"Respect to Germany. They read the writing on the wall while American decision makers see the writing but can't read it due to their blinding political correctness."

 

"Lets all go to any islamic country and try to practice our "ways"."

 

"Islam is not a religion that anyone should be tolerant towards. If Germany can keep them out of their country they should. Islam is teaching falsely and from what I have seen and heard they teach evil. I will expose any false teaching that God's Word says is false. The big issue between Islam and other tales teaching is the brutality that is associated with Islam. Every country must not allow shira law. Let me be clear. What I hate is what the Word of God says to hate and that is sin and false teaching. Those that have rejected Christ and they are those that add or take away from the Word of God I pray they will seek the Truth ."

 

The comments go on and on.

Edited December 16, 201411 yr by CriminalKillaz

Good.

Islam = bunch of fucked up people with stupid beliefs.

I'm with the germans. Just dont start World War III .

I fully support these marches  

Edited December 16, 201411 yr by gamerdanger99

I do not support these marches. 

Islam = bunch of fucked up people with stupid beliefs.

A highly generalized statement describing the tiny minority of people who call themselves Muslims. Just because a few people who call themselves followers of Islam give us a bad reputation, doesn't mean we all are like that.

 

Furthermore, it's not just people who call themselves Muslims who are a "bunch of fucked up people with stupid beliefs." There are Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Catholics, you name it and there will be some people with crazy views.

 

Also, yes... I am a Muslim. And no, I'm not a terrorist, nor do I support terrorists. I think terrorists - regardless of religion - don't deserve to call themselves part of any religion. Just another thing, I don't think I'm an expert on Islam, terrorism or politics. These are just my views, if you disagree with me, sobeit. I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours.

Edited December 16, 201411 yr by trewq34

Whilst I don't condone hatred based on beliefs, I do think that these marches could be the start of the global backlash against religion, as it's one of the things holding the human race back from progress.

I have a feeling this is going to be one of those heated and horrible debates about religion, you know what  i re stance my opinion, I'am agnostic and i do not care for any religion, there. 

Edited December 16, 201411 yr by Chester199

A highly generalized statement describing the tiny minority of people who call themselves Muslims. Just because a few people who call themselves followers of Islam give us a bad reputation, doesn't mean we all are like that.

 

Furthermore, it's not just people who call themselves Muslims who are a "bunch of fucked up people with stupid beliefs." There are Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Catholics, you name it and there will be some people with crazy views.

 

Also, yes... I am a Muslim. And no, I'm not a terrorist, nor do I support terrorists. I think terrorists - regardless of religion - don't deserve to call themselves part of any religion. Just another thing, I don't think I'm an expert on Islam, terrorism or politics. These are just my views, if you disagree with me, sobeit. I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours.

Though what percentage of Christians and Jews run amok beheading, murdering, raping, torturing, innocent people? What percentage of Christians and Jews crash planes into towers and kill 3,000 people? What percentage of Christians and Jews blow up a car and kill 20 school children? What percentage of Christians and Jews steal 200 Nigerian school girls and sell them off into human trafficking?

 

As I've already stated several times before in a separate topic, the Qu'ran strictly tells Muslims to KILL ANYONE THAT GOES AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM. Christianity does NOT order Christians to kill those who go against it. This is the problem I have with Islam, and so does the majority of the developed world. Interpretation is irrelevant when compared to whats LITERALLY written in the book itself! Christians are supposed to spread the word of Christ, and accept those who reject it. Islam tells it's followers to TERRORIZE and MURDER those who go against it. This is the difference in Islam and Christianity.

 

It's amazing how regardless the number of times I throw this argument out there, nobody ever has a defense against it. They continue with the same "Not all of them are terrorists" argument which has no value after a certain point. Nobody has yet to correctly address me when I state that the Qu'ran COMMANDS Muslims to murder and terrorize. 

Edited December 16, 201411 yr by CriminalKillaz

Though what percentage of Christians and Jews run amok beheading, murdering, raping, torturing, innocent people? What percentage of Christians and Jews crash planes into towers and kill 3,000 people? What percentage of Christians and Jews blow up a car and kill 20 school children? What percentage of Christians and Jews steal 200 Nigerian school girls and sell them off into human trafficking?

Read about the thousands of death christianity created through the centuries by killing witches, gays, women cheating on their husband, crusades, and then we'll talk about the brutality of those extremists.

Read about the thousands of death christianity created through the centuries by killing witches, gays, women cheating on their husband, crusades, and then we'll talk about the brutality of those extremists.

We aren't talking about 1,000 years ago, we're talking about here and now. You still have yet to provide a clear and logical defense against my argument.

Though what percentage of Christians and Jews run amok beheading, murdering, raping, torturing, innocent people? What percentage of Christians and Jews crash planes into towers and kill 3,000 people? What percentage of Christians and Jews blow up a car and kill 20 school children? What percentage of Christians and Jews steal 200 Nigerian school girls and sell them off into human trafficking?

 

As I've already stated several times before in a separate topic, the Qu'ran strictly tells Muslims to KILL ANYONE THAT GOES AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM. Christianity does NOT order Christians to kill those who go against it. This is the problem I have with Islam, and so does the majority of the developed world. Interpretation is irrelevant when compared to whats LITERALLY written in the book itself! Christians are supposed to spread the word of Christ, and accept those who reject it. Islam tells it's followers to TERRORIZE and MURDER those who go against it. This is the difference in Islam and Christianity.

I'm not sure when this became a discussion about which religion did what and which didn't. But nevertheless, the percentages are irrelevant. All it takes is one abnormal person to think of how to terrorize people and you have someone from any religion (potentially) doing all those things.

 

Since you seem certain that in the Qu'ran it tells Muslims to kill non-believers, would you be able to tell me where specifically?

I'm not sure when this became a discussion about which religion did what and which didn't. But nevertheless, the percentages are irrelevant. All it takes is one abnormal person to think of how to terrorize people and you have someone from any religion (potentially) doing all those things.

 

Since you seem certain that in the Qu'ran it tells Muslims to kill non-believers, would you be able to tell me where specifically?

Well for one I disagree with your initial statement, because that isn't always the case. People don't do evil just for the hell of it, there's always a reason, be it a good or bad reason. 

 

5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

 

4:95 Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

Well for one I disagree with your initial statement, because that isn't always the case. People don't do evil just for the hell of it, there's always a reason, be it a good or bad reason. 

 

-snip-

I have to say waging war and not believing in something are about as far apart as possible. Also, the general non-believer of Islam doesn't go around causing "corruption".

 

The second quote doesn't seem at all related to non-believers.

You have a funny reading of "wage war" to think it necessarily includes every single person who disagrees with the teachings of a religion.

Also, you're saying that Islam is somehow inherently different than Christianity because of something it's doing now, while Christianity did it around 600-700 years ago. That is, not to put too fine a point on it, complete and utter bullshit in every possible way. During the Crusades, the Bible was read to mean "go to war to take back the Holy Land". During the 1400s, it was read to mean "persecute the Jews". Now, it's not read to mean that -- but the Bible itself hasn't changed one bit. So you might want to be a bit more careful bringing up holy books as a point in your argument -- if you're claiming something about a religion (as opposed to a particular way it's practiced today), Christianity at best ties Islam.

You have a funny reading of "wage war" to think it necessarily includes every single person who disagrees with the teachings of a religion.

Also, you're saying that Islam is somehow inherently different than Christianity because of something it's doing now, while Christianity did it around 600-700 years ago. That is, not to put too fine a point on it, complete and utter bullshit in every possible way. During the Crusades, the Bible was read to mean "go to war to take back the Holy Land". During the 1400s, it was read to mean "persecute the Jews". Now, it's not read to mean that -- but the Bible itself hasn't changed one bit. So you might want to be a bit more careful bringing up holy books as a point in your argument -- if you're claiming something about a religion (as opposed to a particular way it's practiced today), Christianity at best ties Islam.

There are two main types of Islam. There's Islam where they just follow their religion and live normal lives. Then there's extremist Islam that takes the teachings of Allah to the extreme (Hence the term extremism) and resorts to fake 'Jihads' as an excuse to terrorize people. Now I have no problem with people who follow Islam but what I don't like is when they try to force their beliefs into my Society and government and burn national symbols such as the National flag. In my opinion this country freed you from the dangers of your home country and for that you should be grateful  and respect the people of the country and not try to convert it. However I do not hold Islamic people wholly responsible and feel that the government needs to do more in the way of telling these people what we will allow and what we won't tolerate. However because of freedom of speech and the right to protest this can get complicated.

I have to say waging war and not believing in something are about as far apart as possible. Also, the general non-believer of Islam doesn't go around causing "corruption".

 

The second quote doesn't seem at all related to non-believers.

I've lost what you're trying to say with the first part of your post.

 

Since you haven't really put up much of a wall in defense, you say that you're a Muslim? Why do you not speak out against terrorism and murder? Why do you not stand up for your beliefs and say that what these terror groups are doing is wrong? Why don't you publicly disassociate yourself from these terrorists? Why haven't Muslims stood up and declared themselves separate from ISIS, or these terror groups? Almost every world issue that I can think of involves Islam in some shape or form. Popularity in religion is dying, and most importantly, popularity in Islam.

Are people really this ignorant to believe that all Muslims are terrorists? Come on people wake up, it is only a small majority of this religion that are extremists. Meaning not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all terrorists are muslim.

Edited December 16, 201411 yr by McAwesome6934

I must say, I'm actually very surprised -in a bad way- to see how many people are "supporting" this kind of marches that are all about persecuting innocent people who did nothing but practice their religion in their own privacy, based on the acts of a couple of extremists who are using the Islam religion as an excuse to justify their acts, when in reality the only thing they want is to see the world burn.

 

I am... disappointed, to say the least, to see so few people being comprehensive and trying to actually make the difference between a simple man practicing his religion and a fanatic going out to kill people just because of his twisted mind.

You have a funny reading of "wage war" to think it necessarily includes every single person who disagrees with the teachings of a religion.

Also, you're saying that Islam is somehow inherently different than Christianity because of something it's doing now, while Christianity did it around 600-700 years ago. That is, not to put too fine a point on it, complete and utter bullshit in every possible way. During the Crusades, the Bible was read to mean "go to war to take back the Holy Land". During the 1400s, it was read to mean "persecute the Jews". Now, it's not read to mean that -- but the Bible itself hasn't changed one bit. So you might want to be a bit more careful bringing up holy books as a point in your argument -- if you're claiming something about a religion (as opposed to a particular way it's practiced today), Christianity at best ties Islam.

You have a funny reading of "wage war" to think it necessarily includes every single person who disagrees with the teachings of a religion.

Also, you're saying that Islam is somehow inherently different than Christianity because of something it's doing now, while Christianity did it around 600-700 years ago. That is, not to put too fine a point on it, complete and utter bullshit in every possible way. During the Crusades, the Bible was read to mean "go to war to take back the Holy Land". During the 1400s, it was read to mean "persecute the Jews". Now, it's not read to mean that -- but the Bible itself hasn't changed one bit. So you might want to be a bit more careful bringing up holy books as a point in your argument -- if you're claiming something about a religion (as opposed to a particular way it's practiced today), Christianity at best ties Islam.

Well first off I don't appreciate you calling my opinion bull shit. Secondly, can you provide and sources or quotes from the bible commanding Christians to persecute or murder those who GO AGAINST IT'S TEACHINGS? I don't care about anything else. My point here is that the Qu'ran commands Muslims to murder non-believers. The bible does not. Everything else I'm not here to debate about.

I must say, I'm actually very surprised -in a bad way- to see how many people are "supporting" this kind of marches that are all about persecuting innocent people who did nothing but practice their religion in their own privacy, based on the acts of a couple of extremists who are using the Islam religion as an excuse to justify their acts, when in reality the only thing they want is to see the world burn.

 

I am... disappointed, to say the least, to see so few people being comprehensive and trying to actually make the difference between a simple man practicing his religion and a fanatic going out to kill people just because of his twisted mind.

You hold your opinion high yet you still provide no strong defense? I'm still waiting for you to provide a valid defense for Islam.