Not really.

I guess I kinda botched my point. I judge people based on their actions as individuals. Some people a great, others not so much, regardless of their standing in society.

My experience with the police as a whole has been more or less good, and by default I think they're good people, certainly with good intentions, but as was stated earlier, no group of people is without a few "bad eggs". You know what I mean?

Not really.

I guess I kinda botched my point. I judge people based on their actions as individuals. Some people a great, others not so much, regardless of their standing in society.

My experience with the police as a whole has been more or less good, and by default I think they're good people, certainly with good intentions, but as was stated earlier, no group of people is without a few "bad eggs". You know what I mean?

I do, but those people who we give a gun, and give the power to use that gun more than anyone else minus the military, should be held to higher standards than an average person.

Oh absolutely. They should ALL be proper upstanding citizens, examples for the rest of society, but they reality of it is just that you can't take the humanity out of a person just because of their job. An asshole is going to be an asshole, regardless of what their career is. Luckily the good outweighs the bad most of the time in regards to the police.

There be trolls afoot. Back to the question, people tend to hate them until they need them. Cops up here don't make much, but its alot of work to get hired on. They check over 30 references and do a polygraph. But people endure so that they can help the public that so unfairly judges them all the time.

Depends what part of the country your from. Here in Ontario, being a cop is one of the highest paying jobs out there (when you factor in paid-duty, over-time, court-time etc.).

Luckily the good outweighs the bad most of the time in regards to the police.

Again depends on your own experiences, city, perspective. Something I learned early on, nothing is what it seems. I guess the only thing I can say is, it's up to you what kind of person you'll be.

Supporting those who make departments look bad is a terrible thing to do. There IS excessive force in police departments. This is what I don't understand. People who defend those who are blatantly in the wrong because they're part of the same organization. It's not the media who makes cops look bad. It's cops who make cops look bad. Though, with that in mind, you must put things in perspective, police have split seconds to react to what happens in front of them. They can't spend a few minutes planning what to do if it's happening right now in front of them. People make bad decisions when they make them split seconds, police are expected to be perfect all the time, which you and I, and most everyone, should know is impossible. I defend police if they're in the right. If they're in the wrong, we shouldn't go around parading something of their false innocence. Anyways, it probably looks like I have ADD right now if you're reading this, I go from topic to topic. Gah xD

9.9 times out of 10 its the media like I said now and than you get the bad cop. So your telling me if a cop is doing his job its wrong? That is what the media is saying. Cop shoots man 15 times. (failed to mention he was shooting at police and also was high on crack) If a police officer has to punch someone in the face to get him to stop fighting the media will put Cop punches man in the face breaking his nose. Even though he never did break a nose or anything.

Its not cops that makes cops look bad beside the bad eggs it the media filming cops doing their jobs than stretching the truth about it. If the news saw a cop give a women a ticket for parking illgeal the news would make it sound like this "cop gives women a ticket because she parked her car"

Tell me which one sounds worst.

Cop shoots man 15 times

Cop shoots armed man 15 times who was high on crack.

Probably the Cop shoots man 15 times. Most people won't even read the story and just go off that.

like I said 99.99% of the time its the media tha .1% its the bad cop you get every now and than...

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by Darkangel

9.9 times out of 10 its the media like I said now and than you get the bad cop. So your telling me if a cop is doing his job its wrong? That is what the media is saying. Cop shoots man 15 times. (failed to mention he was shooting at police and also was high on crack) If a police officer has to punch someone in the face to get him to stop fighting the media will put Cop punches man in the face breaking his nose. Even though he never did break a nose or anything.

Its not cops that makes cops look bad beside the bad eggs it the media filming cops doing their jobs than stretching the truth about it. If the news saw a cop give a women a ticket for parking illgeal the news would make it sound like this "cop gives women a ticket because she parked her car"

Tell me which one sounds worst.

Cop shoots man 15 times

Cop shoots armed man 15 times who was high on crack.

Probably the Cop shoots man 15 times. Most people won't even read the story and just go off that.

like I said 99.99% of the time its the media tha .1% its the bad cop you get every now and than...

Did the cop shoot him 15 times? Yes or No? YES

Cops do make cops look bad. I don't think the media puts people out there in uniform, shoots people to get it on video, JUST to make cops look bad. 15 times is over board if you ask me, even if he is high on crack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cAAM4TXPdw&feature=plcp

That's excessive. 46 FUCKING TIMES? If the police DID NOT shoot him 46 times it wouldn't have been a big issue, 3 or so shots is enough to take a person down.

Did the cop shoot him 15 times? Yes or No? YES

Cops do make cops look bad. I don't think the media puts people out there in uniform, shoots people to get it on video, JUST to make cops look bad. 15 times is over board if you ask me, even if he is high on crack.

That's excessive. 46 FUCKING TIMES? If the police DID NOT shoot him 46 times it wouldn't have been a big issue, 3 or so shots is enough to take a person down.

You have no idea what crack does to the body do you?

Have you heard about in world war 2 were US soldier would have to shoot the japanese 50 times for them to stop running at them. Why because they were hop up on drugs. Crack, coke, meath, ect... It makes you not feel pain and makes you use alot more of your musels than you can use on a normal day. So hints shooting the guy really isnt going to do anything unless you kill him. Cops don't shoot to kill they shoot to stop the threat. Ya sure 40 shots were fired.

That guy was a threat they shot to stop the threat, the threat a knife and maybe something else.

In my story he cop had to shoot him 15 times because on the 14th bullet he was still shooting back at him...

You have no idea of what drugs do to your body or what guns do. A little 9mm isn't going to hurt you unless you get it in the head or the heart let alone if your on drugs it will feel like you were shot with a BB gun.

Don't fucking lecture me on guns drugs and shootings. That was not 40 shots in that video, who ever reported that im pretty sure has never fired a gun in his or her life.....

Once again another report were media stretches the truth and makes it worst than it really is. Your only 14 so I can understand how plain sighted you are.....

Admins you might want to close this thread before its turns into a big sissy fight between Cop lovers and cop haters....

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by Darkangel

You have no idea what crack does to the body do you?

Have you heard about in world war 2 were US soldier would have to shoot the japanese 50 times for them to stop running at them. Why because they were hop up on drugs. Crack, coke, meath, ect... It makes you not feel pain and makes you use alot more of your musels than you can use on a normal day. So hints shooting the guy really isnt going to do anything unless you kill him. Cops don't shoot to kill they shoot to stop the threat. Ya sure 40 shots were fired.

That guy was a threat they shot to stop the threat, the threat a knife and maybe something else.

In my story he cop had to shoot him 15 times because on the 14th bullet he was still shooting back at him...

You have no idea of what drugs do to your body or what guns do. A little 9mm isn't going to hurt you unless you get it in the head or the heart let alone if your on drugs it will feel like you were shot with a BB gun.

Don't fucking lecture me on guns drugs and shootings. That was not 40 shots in that video, who ever reported that im pretty sure has never fired a gun in his or her life.....

Once again another report were media stretches the truth and makes it worst than it really is. Your only 14 so I can understand how plain sighted you are.....

Admins you might want to close this thread before its turns into a big sissy fight between Cop lovers and cop haters....

You're a Faux News follower yes? Because, I do not HATE cops. I HATE those who use excessive force when it is obviously not necessary. And 6 officers in 5 seconds. And the local media probably got that number from POLICE. But you know the police, they always lie right? And I know what crack does to you, I have crack head family members, maybe they shoulda backed off and just closed off the area then rather than getting 5 feet away from him. The reference to my age was uncalled for, and pointless. Referring to someone's age means nothing in a "debate", it is a childish move, only to be used by immature people. So please, instead of trying to tell me I'm not old enough to understand, grow up yourself and stop using immature moves like this "in order to gain the upper hand."

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by CrearBIn

9.9 times out of 10 its the media like I said now and than you get the bad cop. So your telling me if a cop is doing his job its wrong? That is what the media is saying.

No the media isn't saying that a cop doing their job is automatically in the wrong. Yes the media at times does blow stories out of proportion but to say that the entire media business is out to get cops and out to portray them as evil robots?

I dislike the media more than you because they have portrayed both professions that I work in as evil robots but at the same time they have on many occasions portrayed us as caring, loving, individuals who have a tough job to do.

Its not cops that makes cops look bad beside the bad eggs it the media filming cops doing their jobs than stretching the truth about it. If the news saw a cop give a women a ticket for parking illgeal the news would make it sound like this "cop gives women a ticket because she parked her car"

Actually, your incorrect the majority of the footage aired by the media is shot by average citizens. So in your logic we might as well shut down google, yahoo, youtube, twitter and facebook, as I mentioned before yes sometimes the footage is cut for "sensationalism" but so is footage captured by the military and police.

Tell me which one sounds worst.

Cop shoots man 15 times

Cop shoots armed man 15 times who was high on crack.

Probably the Cop shoots man 15 times. Most people won't even read the story and just go off that.

You honestly believe people are so naive as to actually base their opinions based on a ten word headline? the headline is meant to capture someones attention so that they are inclined to read the article to find out the facts. I guarantee you that the writer in that story will actually explain the situation (guess what it's their job to be accurate).

like I said 99.99% of the time its the media tha .1% its the bad cop you get every now and than...

To make that statement is to also say that 99.99% of the time cops are in the right.

I've actually worked for the Police, been out on the gang enforcement teams, worked Court Security and done many other great things with them in addition to having served my country for six+ years. I plan on continuing Policing and Law Enforcement but things aren't always what they seem, and that's the thing I tell people who think everything is Black and White and that Cops are all good.

Sure there are a lot of good people but there is an equal amount of bad people too, Like you said cops are people which means they have the capacity to be greedy, evil, sadistic, good, bad, humble, modest etc. However the bad cops are often the ones who create the illusion and create the atmosphere as to what people perceive the police to be. Yes the media sometimes gets the story wrong but more often than not they highlight the growing change of the job and the environment.

I'll tell you something when society and the population give you the privilege to uphold the law, uphold the values of a democratic society and gives you the power and tools to do that; a lot of people abuse that power and abuse that privilege that's why people have the opinions that they have about the police or military for that matter. Going back it's the bad cops who paint the picture and the rest of us suffer because of that.

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by Comm

You're a Faux News follower yes? Because, I do not HATE cops. I HATE those who use excessive force when it is obviously not necessary. And 6 officers in 5 seconds. And the local media probably got that number from POLICE. But you know the police, they always lie right? And I know what crack does to you, I have crack head family members, maybe they shoulda backed off and just closed off the area then rather than getting 5 feet away from him. The reference to my age was uncalled for, and pointless. Referring to someone's age means nothing in a "debate", it is a childish move, only to be used by immature people. So please, instead of trying to tell me I'm not old enough to understand, grow up yourself and stop using immature moves like this "in order to gain the upper hand."

Police always lie? So when they say your getting arrested Battery your getting arrested for murder? I'm saying the age thing is because your not in college taking criminal justice, you have not even the slightest clue on how police work...

If you knew what crack does to you than why did you say "15 times is a little to much" or something like that? If you knew what drugs did to you, you would know...

No the media isn't saying that a cop doing their job is automatically in the wrong. Yes the media at times does blow stories out of proportion but to say that the entire media business is out to get cops and out to portray them as evil robots?

I dislike the media more than you because they have portrayed both professions that I work in as evil robots but at the same time they have on many occasions portrayed us as caring, loving, individuals who have a tough job to do.

Actually, your incorrect the majority of the footage aired by the media is shot by average citizens. So in your logic we might as well shut down google, yahoo, youtube, twitter and facebook, as I mentioned before yes sometimes the footage is cut for "sensationalism" but so is footage captured by the military and police.

You honestly believe people are so naive as to actually base their opinions based on a ten word headline? the headline is meant to capture someones attention so that they are inclined to read the article to find out the facts. I guarantee you that the writer in that story will actually explain the situation (guess what it's their job to be accurate).

To make that statement is to also say that 99.99% of the time cops are in the right.

I've actually worked for the Police, been out on the gang enforcement teams, worked Court Security and done many other great things with them in addition to having served my country for six+ years. I plan on continuing Policing and Law Enforcement but things aren't always what they seem, and that's the thing I tell people who think everything is Black and White and that Cops are all good.

Sure there are a lot of good people but there is an equal amount of bad people too, Like you said cops are people which means they have the capacity to be greedy, evil, sadistic, good, bad, humble, modest etc. However the bad cops are often the ones who create the illusion and create the atmosphere as to what people perceive the police to be. Yes the media sometimes gets the story wrong but more often than not they highlight the growing change of the job and the environment.

I'll tell you something when society and the population give you the privilege to uphold the law, uphold the values of a democratic society and gives you the power and tools to do that; a lot of people abuse that power and abuse that privilege that's why people have the opinions that they have about the police or military for that matter. Going back it's the bad cops who paint the picture and the rest of us suffer because of that.

If you live in Milwaukee and watch fox news you will see what i'm talking about...

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by Darkangel

I'm saying the age thing is because your not in college taking criminal justice, you have not even the slightest clue on how police work...

It's funny because I went to University for Criminology and didn't learn a single thing about police work; everything that I know about police work has been through experience and working on the streets.

If you live in Milwaukee and watch fox news you will see what i'm talking about...

I live in Toronto, and believe me Toronto Media is much worse.

All you have to do is type in G20 Toronto Police and you'll see on the contray type in Occupy Toronto Police and you'll also see what I mean about the media supporting the work we do and bashing it at the same time.

Like I said, it's the bad apples who paint the negative impression that everyone has to suffer and live by.

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by Comm

I'll be join the police, however some of them are jerks (especially the one that harassed me way back), but hopefully I'll be the "cool" cop. :biggrin:

Okay so this is how I see it:

When it comes to the media, there are always going to be the channels that bash cops and the channels that praise cops. Much like channels that are republicans and channels that arent. Also, the channel will attempt to create the topic in a sense that will support their standing.

When it comes to the kid who is saying all cops lie and all that crap, keep your ignorant comments to yourself please. If you read the thread, the rational explanation is that there are a few cops here and there that do create the problem. Furthermore, on the topic of cops are humans, there are the cops who get power crazed and extremely unprofessional( im not sure if yall seen the video of the beach cop dude in the golf cart who throws a kid to the ground for not accepting what the cop was saying) but they usually get suspended or fired.

HOWEVER, there are moments where I get extremely pissed with law enforcement. And that is when they literally get away with murder. Now, this is where excessive force comes into play. For example, in Long Beach a while back, there was a guy with a gun call. Turns out it was a gardening hose handle and he was shot about 20 times for that. Logically, i understand why 20 times isnt excessive because there were about 6-7 cops on scene and when the gun shot sounds start going I am sure they all react by shooting. However, they didnt get in trouble. Same goes for when police beat down skateboarders for "resisting" when you can see the guy is cuffed and yet they are punching him???? Again, sometimes they do not get in trouble.

But, you have to see it in the way I do. I was told this by a Deputy of the OCSD one time when I was younger:

Police officers are men and women who put their lives on the line for others. However, we have families too. When we are in the moment, the goal is to keep the general population safe while still returning home at the end of the shift."

The way I understood that/how I would use that once I get in to Law Enforcement is that while I would try my hardest to get the person to comply, it gets to the point where you need to think about yourself and others instead of the suspect and react to defend yourself. With that in minds, un-holstering your service weapon and discharging it is something that should not be frowned upon when the man is armed. When they arent armed, mistakes happen, and the officer should be held accountable.

So to sum it up, they are human. They need to be held to a higher standard. And when sh*t happens, it happens. Arguments on LCPDFR are not going to fix it. How we and the media should react is not by saying all cops are pigs, liars, assholes, and whatever else that you could think of, but we should see it as the "bad apples" should be removed and those that make the mistakes of killing unarmed people, using excessive force, and abusing their powers should be held ACCOUNTABLE. Including suspension w/out pay not with pay. duh lol

Thanks for taking your time to read my little lecture lol.

Police always lie? So when they say your getting arrested Battery your getting arrested for murder? I'm saying the age thing is because your not in college taking criminal justice, you have not even the slightest clue on how police work...

If you knew what crack does to you than why did you say "15 times is a little to much" or something like that? If you knew what drugs did to you, you would know...

If you live in Milwaukee and watch fox news you will see what i'm talking about...

I guess you didn't catch my sarcasm?

Well, that escalated quickly...

FWIW, it's a rule in many PD's that you are supposed to unload your entire magazine when opening fire. Shoot to kill, not to maim.

Well, that escalated quickly...

FWIW, it's a rule in many PD's that you are supposed to unload your entire magazine when opening fire. Shoot to kill, not to maim.

Shoot to kill policies should be unlawful, shoot to disable should be the goal...

No. Just flat no. A firearm is a lethal weapon, and should never be used for any other purpose. Shoot to disable is more dangerous for the officer, for the public ("shooting him in the arm" is incredibly difficult, and if you miss, that bullet can hit a bystander), and is not really any better for the suspect.

EDIT: Also, you are not supposed to shoot someone unless there is imminent threat to life. If you have the chance to evaluate and decide that shooting to disable is justified, there is not imminent threat to life, and you should not be shooting.

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by cp702

No. Just flat no. A firearm is a lethal weapon, and should never be used for any other purpose. Shoot to disable is more dangerous for the officer, for the public ("shooting him in the arm" is incredibly difficult, and if you miss, that bullet can hit a bystander), and is not really any better for the suspect.

Actually cops are taught to shoot to disable; disable has many different meanings and it doesn't necessarily mean a an arm or leg shot; rather they are taught to shoot center of mass.

Again the goal isn't to take a life but to save a life.

EDIT: Also, you are not supposed to shoot someone unless there is imminent threat to life. If you have the chance to evaluate and decide that shooting to disable is justified, there is not imminent threat to life, and you should not be shooting.

Thank You; Many people have the opposite opinion and would rather opt for lethal action first rather than deescalate. Obviously if the guy is shooting you, shoot back.

FWIW, it's a rule in many PD's that you are supposed to unload your entire magazine when opening fire.

We use to joke that if you empty your entire magazine it's less paperwork than if you had fired 3 or 4 rounds.

Shoot to kill, not to maim.

Teaching cops shoot to kill would be constitutionally unlawful. Cops are not soldiers and as such do not need to know the "two to the chest, one to the head" drill.

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by Comm

My edit is roughly what I was trying to get across. I consider shooting center mass to be shooting to kill, while "shooting to disable" makes me think of people who try to claim police should shoot people in the arm. Obviously, you only really shoot to stop the threat, and if they aren't a threat anymore, you should stop shooting.

"when negations fail, let the bullets impale"