Variety Callouts 3.2

would be awesome to see an officer down/ in trouble call. as well as an active shooter or something along the lines of that. I love those intense calls like that. 

1 hour ago, LostBoyLazarus said:

@Abel Software

 

Firstly, let me thank you for creating a new callout pack. I've said it before and I'll say it again - callouts can be the life blood of LSPDFR so having a new one is great. I've tested it out in my game and found no bugs and had no crashes. That said, I do have a few thoughts. I'll also hold off on posting a review just yet as I don't want to put other people off of using your pack so early in its release.

 

Okay, so of the seven calls available within Variety Callouts, all of them are pursuits! One of them appears to be copied directly from another callout pack and another one could do with some work. The pursuits themselves are generic, have no backstory and don't offer anything new over other callout packs. They even use the same vehicles. Now, I'm not saying that this is a bad thing - pursuits can be fun, but to call your pack a variety pack when all of your calls are just pursuits seems wrong. Given that I can already use all of these pursuits in other packs so far I'm not seeing a variety here.

 

The mugging call started well. I was given a line of dialogue to read and a pursuit started. After forcing the mugger to surrender, there was no dialogue without third party mods, no wallet found or other items stolen. I tried this call several times but the results were the same each time. I think adding a custom inventory to the mugger (a wallet, a watch, jewellery) would help polish off this call providing the player with a reason to charge the suspect. I'd also be interested to see the mugger flee on a sanchez or something - just for that added touch of variety.

 

The MVA however was what confused me. It plays out EXACTLY as it does in another callout pack. The make, model and position of the cars, the lack of interaction options and a forced pursuit are all the same. This kind of call is a welcome addition but it needs filling. Let us question the drivers:

 

- Which car were they driving?

- Who do they believe is at fault?

- Was alcohol/drugs/speed a factor?

 

Small details which help fill out this call and add variety.

 

I appreciate the work that you've put into your pack - heck, it's not something I could make - but I honestly feel that it's anything but variety and is offering the same calls as other packs. Maybe have a look at the mugging and MVA calls again and see if you can avoid having them always become pursuits. I think this would go a long way to improving your pack. The actual pursuits are okay, though I'd be interested from an RP point of view to know why I'm in a pursuit. Is the vehicle stolen? Did the driver just commit a felony? Did the just assault an officer?

Hope you take this comment as it's intended - honest feedback. I enjoyed your pack but would like to see improvements made. Thanks for sharing it with the community 👍

Thank you for your constructive comment, to be honest, I had no idea there was another call out like that. LOL, my bad, and I hope the original author doesn't think too harshly of it, but with that being said, I definitely do need to make some changes there. 

Furthermore, I apologize with the generic feeling of the call outs. I actually just began playing with the LSPDFR API about a week ago as of the date responding to your comment. I am still working and figuring out how to do certain things, one of those being ped interaction. But as with all modding, with time and experience it can only improve. I will be sure to work hard on this over the next week or so to certainly get more "variety" as the name implies!

I do, however, want to thank you for instead of leaving a negative, harsh, comment, leaving a constructive criticism. Comments like yours are what help authors build and improve on their mods. I hope I can see you back when the new version comes out!

7 hours ago, dmf6179 said:

would be awesome to see an officer down/ in trouble call. as well as an active shooter or something along the lines of that. I love those intense calls like that. 

Definitely will be an idea once I get a little more knowledge with the LSPDFR API! Appreciate your comment!

If you are going to use somebody's else stuff, at least give them the proper credit they deserve. I agree to the other post when it comes to the name, change it. There's no more variety than different vehicles. in the pursuits. It seems you took one piece of code from another callout pack and copied & pasted several, the only difference is the type of vehicle. 

P.S you might want to fix how you spelled "Motor Vehicle Accident" underneath calls included. 

Edited June 10, 20196 yr by MintTablett

10 hours ago, Abel Software said:

Thank you for your constructive comment, to be honest, I had no idea there was another call out like that. LOL, my bad, and I hope the original author doesn't think too harshly of it, but with that being said, I definitely do need to make some changes there. 

 

Furthermore, I apologize with the generic feeling of the call outs. I actually just began playing with the LSPDFR API about a week ago as of the date responding to your comment. I am still working and figuring out how to do certain things, one of those being ped interaction. But as with all modding, with time and experience it can only improve. I will be sure to work hard on this over the next week or so to certainly get more "variety" as the name implies!

 

I do, however, want to thank you for instead of leaving a negative, harsh, comment, leaving a constructive criticism. Comments like yours are what help authors build and improve on their mods. I hope I can see you back when the new version comes out!

Thank you for taking my comment as was intended and not flying off the handle 🙂 You should be proud of what you've accomplished so far, especially if you've only been doing it for a week! Considering that there are no bugs or crashes that I could find, that in itself is also something to be proud of.

The MVA I was talking about is from Common Callouts by CowNation. I'd encourage you to continue to develop this call as your skills allow because - as I previously mentioned - it would be a welcome addition. I don't think any of the other callout packs that I use have a working call like this so it would be great to see it improved. I've been talking to a few callout authors over the past few weeks and it seems adding ped interaction is quite difficult. I believe that what some of them are doing/planning to do to get around this is to incorporate on-screen dialogue without choices, i.e display a line of text at a time. While the player has no real choices, the immersion is better than what you currently have. Here's an example:

Motor Vehicle Accident Call

<Display Text On-screen as Player Responds>

1. Units responding we have a 911 call.

2. Two vehicle MVA. Injuries unknown.

3. Respond code three.

<Player arrives on scene>

Two vehicles are damaged. Two peds standing nearby. Player approaches one of them.

Player: Okay sir, what seems to be the problem?

Driver: That moron needs to learn to drive that's what!

Player: Can you tell me what happened?

Driver: They ran a red light and crashed right into me.

Player: Okay, I'll talk to them. Do you need medical assistance?

Driver: No, I'm fine, thank you.

<Player approaches second ped>

Player: Hello, are you okay?

Driver: Do I look okay?

Player: Please tell me what happened.

Driver: My breaks locked up and I couldn't stop.

Player: Do you require medical assistance?

Driver: Yes, I think I hurt my neck.

This simple example allows the player to learn what events led to the MVA, the cause, who is to blame and allows them to deal with the situation appropriately. Should I breathalyze one or both drivers? Do I suspect they are lying? The best part is it's providing variety and isn't another pursuit. Of course with other mods installed, one of the drivers may be DUID and take off when I question them but that's the beauty of variety.

For other ideas, maybe take a look at what hasn't been done before or can be done in a different way:

- Backlot City security need help with a trespasser refusing to leave the premises.

Player responds. Locates security. Presented with a few lines of dialogue. Trespasser refuses to leave and is arrested.

- A homeless person is harassing people on the beach.

Player arrives and finds homeless person on beach. Informed by dispatch (using on-screen text) that the person has been begging. Player asks person to move on. They do. Simple, but different. Adds variety.

- An animal is running around Little Portola scaring shoppers.

Self explanatory. Aiming for further variety.

- An overturned tanker on the freeway is blocking traffic.

Completely different and I'd imagine not too hard to make considering you've done it for MVA.

The player arrives somewhere on the freeway to find an upturned tanker blocking the road. The player can (using third party mods) shut down the road, establish a cordon around the area, call in EMS if required, get the truck moved, assess if arrests etc are required and then re-open the road. RP at it's finest!

Anyway, just some food for thought. Keep doing what you're doing! I'll defiantly be keeping an eye on any improvements that you make. I'm keeping this in my game as is if only for the pursuits. Best of luck 👍

Jesus, after reading all these comments it makes me not want to download this pack. I guess you have your work cut out for you now. 🤨

14 minutes ago, ManamalReacts said:

Jesus, after reading all these comments it makes me not want to download this pack. I guess you have your work cut out for you now. 🤨

The pack works well, it's just early days for the author. No reason not to download it - just treat it as a pursuit callout pack for now.

2 minutes ago, LostBoyLazarus said:

The pack works well, it's just early days for the author. No reason not to download it - just treat it as a pursuit callout pack for now.

Based on the callouts listed that would be a better name for this pack.

I completely agree with Lazarus his points. Its amazing that you made a pack and help the LSPDFR community but sadly a lot of these calls are generic and not extremely exciting. The ideas of Lazarus look nice and if you come up with your own ideas and twist i'm sure it can be a nice pack.

Thanks for posting a new plugin, it seems not many people are posting many recently… however, I seem to notice a pattern where people release new plugins but will have a lot of the same calls. Would be nice to see some original callouts.

None the less I appreciate the effort.

Edited June 11, 20196 yr by Gunfire

hey, new callout packs are welcome. youll get some critic, but thats normal 😉 ... may try focus on car accidents a bit, there a mostly buggy stuff. i dont know why, perhaps its difficult to script it?!  but may think easy two cars are crashed, one driver is drunken, drugged, was on phone, etc. ... or may nothing special, a simple crash, one of the drivers was out of attention ... 10-4.

Greetings.

Wonderful plugin sir Ignore the bad critics its like a youtube vid u have your likes and dislikes thats cause it doesnt have what THEY specifically want but its not about THEM its about all of us and we all needed new callouts tired of responding to same locations for my usual callouts so glad u made this Abel Keep Pushing and Keep Adding New Calls if u need ideas pm me im open to help anytime i can i dont know coding but new callout suggestions i can sure throw expect a full 5 stars review 

again thank you and will be using these calls for my YT channel 

L.a.p.dCode3 

the title is misleading, should of put in the title variety of stolen vehicle callouts which is not original. i was thinking these were going to be but highly disappointed

Would you be able to add an ini so we could disable callouts we don't want to use?

On 6/9/2019 at 7:23 PM, LostBoyLazarus said:

@Abel Software

 

Firstly, let me thank you for creating a new callout pack. I've said it before and I'll say it again - callouts can be the life blood of LSPDFR so having a new one is great. I've tested it out in my game and found no bugs and had no crashes. That said, I do have a few thoughts. I'll also hold off on posting a review just yet as I don't want to put other people off of using your pack so early in its release.

 

Okay, so of the seven calls available within Variety Callouts, all of them are pursuits! One of them appears to be copied directly from another callout pack and another one could do with some work. The pursuits themselves are generic, have no backstory and don't offer anything new over other callout packs. They even use the same vehicles. Now, I'm not saying that this is a bad thing - pursuits can be fun, but to call your pack a variety pack when all of your calls are just pursuits seems wrong. Given that I can already use all of these pursuits in other packs so far I'm not seeing a variety here.

 

The mugging call started well. I was given a line of dialogue to read and a pursuit started. After forcing the mugger to surrender, there was no dialogue without third party mods, no wallet found or other items stolen. I tried this call several times but the results were the same each time. I think adding a custom inventory to the mugger (a wallet, a watch, jewellery) would help polish off this call providing the player with a reason to charge the suspect. I'd also be interested to see the mugger flee on a sanchez or something - just for that added touch of variety.

 

The MVA however was what confused me. It plays out EXACTLY as it does in another callout pack. The make, model and position of the cars, the lack of interaction options and a forced pursuit are all the same. This kind of call is a welcome addition but it needs filling. Let us question the drivers:

 

- Which car were they driving?

- Who do they believe is at fault?

- Was alcohol/drugs/speed a factor?

 

Small details which help fill out this call and add variety.

 

I appreciate the work that you've put into your pack - heck, it's not something I could make - but I honestly feel that it's anything but variety and is offering the same calls as other packs. Maybe have a look at the mugging and MVA calls again and see if you can avoid having them always become pursuits. I think this would go a long way to improving your pack. The actual pursuits are okay, though I'd be interested from an RP point of view to know why I'm in a pursuit. Is the vehicle stolen? Did the driver just commit a felony? Did the just assault an officer?

Hope you take this comment as it's intended - honest feedback. I enjoyed your pack but would like to see improvements made. Thanks for sharing it with the community 👍

On 6/10/2019 at 9:49 PM, Gunfire said:

Thanks for posting a new plugin, it seems not many people are posting many recently… however, I seem to notice a pattern where people release new plugins but will have a lot of the same calls. Would be nice to see some original callouts.

 

None the less I appreciate the effort.

On 6/11/2019 at 8:14 AM, Largo1975 said:

hey, new callout packs are welcome. youll get some critic, but thats normal 😉 ... may try focus on car accidents a bit, there a mostly buggy stuff. i dont know why, perhaps its difficult to script it?!  but may think easy two cars are crashed, one driver is drunken, drugged, was on phone, etc. ... or may nothing special, a simple crash, one of the drivers was out of attention ... 10-4.

 

Greetings.

On 6/13/2019 at 9:15 PM, LapdCode3 said:

Wonderful plugin sir Ignore the bad critics its like a youtube vid u have your likes and dislikes thats cause it doesnt have what THEY specifically want but its not about THEM its about all of us and we all needed new callouts tired of responding to same locations for my usual callouts so glad u made this Abel Keep Pushing and Keep Adding New Calls if u need ideas pm me im open to help anytime i can i dont know coding but new callout suggestions i can sure throw expect a full 5 stars review 

 

again thank you and will be using these calls for my YT channel 

 

L.a.p.dCode3 

I have just released a new version of the plugin. Removed the motor vehicle accident after it being brought to my attention someone else had already made the scenario. Fixed the mugging call with some dialog with the victim. Also added  a new armed citizen call!

5 hours ago, Abel Software said:

I have just released a new version of the plugin. Removed the motor vehicle accident after it being brought to my attention someone else had already made the scenario. Fixed the mugging call with some dialog with the victim. Also added  a new armed citizen call!

Awesome, I look forward to trying this out shortly. I did notice that both the folder inside the archive, the dll itself and the included readme are still showing version 1.0.0 - is this just an oversight or is this still the old version?

You removed a callout because its "already been made"...dude literally most of these are already made, Like I dont even need to download this plugin I've already got these kinds of callouts

4 hours ago, WildManDan said:

You removed a callout because its "already been made"...dude literally most of these are already made, Like I dont even need to download this plugin I've already got these kinds of callouts

The beautiful thing about the internet is you aren't required to download. You don't like the file, click off of it. You like the file, download it. That simple. No one has a gun to your head forcing you to download. You want to complain about what mod creators are making? Make your own. That simple.

6 hours ago, LostBoyLazarus said:

Awesome, I look forward to trying this out shortly. I did notice that both the folder inside the archive, the dll itself and the included readme are still showing version 1.0.0 - is this just an oversight or is this still the old version?

I just got on and checked and the 2.0 is still running through the security system, but should be up soon!

1 hour ago, Abel Software said:

I just got on and checked and the 2.0 is still running through the security system, but should be up soon!

Thanks for the news. I'll keep my eye on it and grab it as it clears 🙂

This callout pack seems good!

One idea for a callout would be a moped snatch and grab

On 6/22/2019 at 10:06 PM, BeepBoopBeep said:

This callout pack seems good!

One idea for a callout would be a moped snatch and grab

Hahaha this comment made me laugh. I would love to see this aswell just for laughs and giggles.

Thanks for your callout pack. I am new to this community aswell. I am curious to see how this callout pack develops 🙂 Keep up the good work!

On 6/9/2019 at 1:58 PM, dmf6179 said:

would be awesome to see an officer down/ in trouble call. as well as an active shooter or something along the lines of that. I love those intense calls like that. 

Restarted the project from the beginning and added a shots fired on officer call. Getting ready to work on active shooter. Pending approval currently.

On 6/19/2019 at 3:34 PM, LostBoyLazarus said:

Thanks for the news. I'll keep my eye on it and grab it as it clears 🙂

New version released. Honestly cleared the entire project and started fresh from the beginning with nothing. Three all new callouts with the rest removed.

what would be cool is if we had this

callout#1. search for a suspect but where we can set up a prementer and have cops search by driveing around in there cars

and on foot.

 ill have to watch live pd and cops to find more!!! just watch cops and live pd and put those call outs in!!

callout#2. the wheels on the bus go round and round hahah thats not a callout 😂

34 minutes ago, cody1 said:

what would be cool is if we had this

 

callout#1. search for a suspect but where we can set up a prementer and have cops search by driveing around in there cars

and on foot.

 ill have to watch live pd and cops to find more!!! just watch cops and live pd and put those call outs in!!

 

callout#2. the wheels on the bus go round and round hahah thats not a callout 😂

Haha #2 is a must! But definitely would be cool to have an active search callout! I'll see what I can do!