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Jimmy Vance reacted to Albo1125 in Open-Sourcing Albo1125's Mods & 'Retirement'Dear all,
As many of you will have noticed, my activity in the LSPDFR scene has decreased significantly over the past few months. There are many reasons for this, the details of which I won't bore you with. It mostly comes down to being busy with other things in my life, as well as LSPDFR becoming less interesting for me having played it for so long and the introduction of frameworks allowing modded GTA5 multiplayer environments.
How times have changed since when I joined the community in 2015, from me taking an interest in learning to code in C# to having multiple plugins released on the site. It's been one heck of a journey here. I recall well the first 'mod' I uploaded for the LSPDFR community, which was called 'More Jail Points' at the time. This was first published for RAGEPluginHook 0.20. This later evolved into 'More Jail Points & Prisoner Transporter' and is now known as the all-so-familiar Arrest Manager. When I was contacted by @dbock1989, who was so enthusiastic about my More Jail Points & Prisoner Transporter plugin at the time, I couldn't quite believe it. He had been so kind as to create a variety of images related to the plugin (see below)! It frankly couldn't have been a more exciting moment at the time and, alongside other overwhelmingly positive and welcoming feedback, served as a major motivation factor for me to continue learning to code and create plugins.
Following this, I was looking to give more purpose to the LSPDFR traffic stop system. And so, Traffic Policer was born - a plugin originally intended to add a few ambient events related to traffic offences. This has now grown into one of my most feature-packed plugins to date. By this time, some YouTubers started using my plugins in their videos. Not only was this a great way for me to obtain feedback on my mods' user experience, I also watched @Zachary Houseknecht with great pleasure while my ANPR Hit AI lit many of his police vehicles on fire... An absolute howler: https://youtu.be/4D8HshZzWMQ?t=606
Some weeks on and Assorted Callouts was next in line. This was originally created out of a callout idea by @CaptainSugarFree and turned into what is now known as the Pacific Bank Heist. This took about 4 weeks of intensive development to fully complete (and am I shocked at the code quality looking back at it now... works though). As the first of its kind, the callout featured voice-overs and an intense, detailed SWAT based LSPDFR callout. I was incredibly proud for this to be featured on @Jeff Favignano's channel and I see now that the video in question has amassed over 1.9 million views... breathtaking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIXKvUyzylA
Moving on again. At this point, @FinKone had managed to get me into YouTube. After having released British Policing Script, longing for an LSPDFR experience closer to home for me, many longed a version of the plugin for international and American users to incorporate the traffic stop improvements and a court system. With that, I released LSPDFR+ by doing my first ever YouTube live stream, which was quite the experience. After this, I released Siren Mastery, PoliceSmartRadio and a variety of other tools and smaller plugins. Many hours of coding, effort, stress, giving support and obtaining feedback had been put in by this point. I was absolutely chuffed to then achieve one million downloads on my published files...
This figure has since risen to over five million.
Following some negative coverage of LSPDFR in some of the Australian media, I'm also very happy that Wired UK decided to publish an overwhelmingly positive article on the whole GTA5 police modding scene: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/gta-5-mods-lsdpfr-british-police?utm_content=buffer9ca53
After PoliceSmartRadio's release - with the infamous April FoolsRadio download giving four thousand people a perhaps frustratingly good laugh - I placed the whole modding scene lower in my priority list. As mentioned previously, this has since been pushed far further down.
Some thoughts on the community's development over time
I would describe the LSPDFR community as healthy. @Sam @LMS and all the other contributors have created something very special for all the right reasons and this is largely reflected in the attitudes of the staff & moderation team and community members. With publishing mods on a popular website like this, unfortunately, comes some drama and negativity - and while I have not always agreed with the way and speed the moderation team dealt with my reports relating to me and my work, they have done a good job overall. The few issues that I experienced were all resolved. From my experience in the plugin side of the modding scene, this continues to be the case now.
One thing I noted during the months that passed is that both experienced but particularly newer modders are now frequently treated with disdain in the scene. The modding scene has grown massively since when I first started and unfortunately, in this area, it shows. Everyone starts somewhere and the fact someone is spending their free time creating something for all of you to download, for free, has become massively underappreciated and taken for granted. Sure, a new modders' release may be full of bugs and be nowhere near as feature-rich as more developed plugins, but this takes time to solve. Had I received the negative feedback I've seen on many a new modder's release page back in 2015, you can rest assured I wouldn't have continued my development here. When providing feedback, by all means, point out the issues, but do so in a friendly, constructive manner, not in an entitled, toxic one. Have a look at the first few comments on my Arrest Manager download page to see what that is like - this was a major factor for me to consider continuing development! It is essential for the development of the LSPDFR modding community that this attitude is changed back to what it was in the 'good old days'.
With all that said, I also hope the release of LSPDFR 0.4 kicks a breath of fresh air into the now somewhat stale core LSPDFR modification. With over 2 years having passed since the latest update of the core modification, I'm sure we all agree that an update would be a very welcome step. From the various preview posts released by the development team, it looks that we all have something great to look forward to there.
'Retirement'? So does that mean you're permanently done with the LSPDFR modding scene?
No, but I won't be actively developing plugins for LSPDFR any more. To be fair, nothing's really changing much now compared to the past few months. I intend to remain as a member of the LSPDFR Testing Team and I'm sure I'll be drawn back in at some point to explore some of the new development options in the 0.4 API. I'll also stay around on my discord and occasionally the forums and I intend to continue publishing occasional videos on my Youtube channel. If my time and motivation levels allow, I may publish some minor updates to my current mods before 0.4 is released. The fact remains, however, that I would currently classify myself as 'inactive' in the scene. With so much other stuff going on, I simply don't have the time to commit that I used to. It would be a pity to say the least to let all my work slowly deteriorate and waste away. Therefore, I've decided to publish the source code to some of my plugins to https://github.com/Albo1125/. At the very least, I would like it to be a learning resource for other ambitious plugin developers in the scene. At best, I hope other developers will take it upon themselves to improve the code where necessary (yes it is very necessary!) and create pull requests to share those improvements. These can then be merged and released, with credits obviously included for contributors.
Back when I started developing for LSPDFR, very few learning resources were available bar the great example project by @LukeD . This hasn't really changed since, despite the creation of the LSPDFR API repository by LMS (https://github.com/LMSDev/LSPDFR-API) and some posts aiming to document the LSPDFR functions by myself in the API development subforum. A noteable step was the creation of the LSPDFR Developers Discord server thanks to @Stealth22 A full post with current development resources can be found here:
I'm planning to publish the source code to a number of my plugins one-by-one to improve this and give something to the community:
Arrest Manager: https://github.com/Albo1125/Arrest-Manager Assorted Callouts: https://github.com/Albo1125/Assorted-Callouts Albo1125.Common: https://github.com/Albo1125/Albo1125-Common Traffic Policer: https://github.com/Albo1125/Traffic-Policer LSPDFR+: https://github.com/Albo1125/LSPDFRPlus British Policing Script: https://github.com/Albo1125/British-Policing-Script
By no means do I claim that any of the code I post is perfect or amazing - on the contrary, far from it. With the experience I have now gained, reading through some of my old code makes me want to tear my hair out. This is only to be expected, though - most of my plugins were created as part of my learning experience of C#. Prior to this, I had no coding experience or knowledge. It's fascinating to see how the quality of my code has evolved over time by looking at my various different plugins in order of initial release date.
Wrapping up. I hope this post provides some clarification and closure for those of you wondering where on earth I've been over the past few months. It's been an absolute blast and a pleasure. To all of you who were a part of my journey here, thank you.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Cyanotic in Emergency Distributors ScamJust quit allowing people to disable comments on files they upload. It's ridiculous and would enable the community to inform each other. There's a reason ED doesn't allow commenting on his stuff.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Cyan in Emergency Distributors ScamYes, of course. @Back12 please report these messages to us using the reporting tool. That will allow all of our moderation staff to easily access the private message thread, along with full message histories and edit metadata to take appropriate action.
In regards to leaks, if someone on the site is using assets without permission then this isn't allowed per our File Guidelines. Please encourage the author of the asset to report this to us via our reporting tools or if this is not possible to get in touch via e-mail (management at lcpdfr dot com) with evidence.
In this particular case, most of it comes down either: it happened off site (the original post) or it wasn't reported to us.
If it happened on DIscord, you may want to reach out to Discord Trust & Safety. If it happened here, report this to us using our reporting tools.
I'm sorry you feel that people on the site are "protected" in some way. I'll be genuinely honest and express that simply isn't the case - you can chose to believe this or not. The reality is we refuse submissions all the time due to incorrect credits, permissions issues and most of my outgoing messages are following up on reports or other file concerns. If we cared about nothing but clicks we wouldn't put half of this effort in.
We've built process and systems to prevent fly-by leaking, multiple accounts and all sorts of other community nuisance behaviour. Maybe we should talk about these systems a little more as it would show the effort that we do go through in protecting the community and assets of those who don't even upload here.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Will in Emergency Distributors ScamLCPDFR.com does not, never has, and never will condone transfer of funds in return for mods. Our site has strict rules forbidding selling or paying for mods.
Unfortunately, the situation originally posted here was on Discord and is therefore completely out of our control. We cannot take action against a user for their behavior outside of the LCPDFR.com community.
When using the messaging system there is big red notice indicating our rules about purchasing goods and services.
I'm not sure what else you expect us to do. If you ignore the message and attempt to purchase goods and services, which is against the rules, coming running to us to solve the problem isn't going to help.
We believe in a free and open modding community where you never have to pay for mods. That doesn't mean, however, that we can be the modding police and ban anyone on our site that sells mods outside of our site. If someone attempts to sell mods through our private messaging system, report the message thread and we will take the appropriate action. The same applies to anyone attempting to buy mods.
In regards to "getting clicks" and other such comments, that has nothing to do with it. Our community is about being open to all and we take banning accounts very seriously. We aren't going to ban people based solely on a lack of quality in their mods. If someone is scamming people out of their money on our site, we need to be told about it. The best way to do that is through reporting the offending content.
I want to reiterate that we are not the modding police. We will not ban users for their actions outside of the site unless there are very serious and proven legal allegations.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Will in Emergency Distributors ScamPlease explain to me how someone doing things on Discord, in servers that have zero affiliation with us or in DMs, has anything to do with our site. We already disallow selling mods for exactly this reason.
We don't control discord. What people do outside the site isn't our problem. We are not the modding police.
What exactly would banning him achieve? He would still be free to do everything's he's doing outside the site.
You guys are acting like we're cops who can put people in modding jail. If you feel like a law has been violated contact your local police. Just don't get upset when they laugh at you.
We've also not received any reports about his mods being stolen or using leaked content (or if we have it has already been handled). If you truly believe this report the mods with proof.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Him1250 in Emergency Distributors ScamIt's fucked up the community has come to this point. I understand the concept behind making money for paid vehicles, hell I do it myself. It's really low for someone to scam multiple people and then give them the big ol' middle finger but I am not surprised, this is the GTA community after all. Hasn't changed in the 10 years I've been active..
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Devilchuk17 in Font on LAPD vehiclesI know this is an old thread but I just happened across it and noticed it wasn't fully answered.
1. Stratum 2 (As Brony said above, I believe this is correct but I could only locate Stratum1 and it seems to work okay.)
2. Arial Bold (not included because you should have this.)
3. Old Standard (I don't think this is an exact match either but I can't really tell the difference.)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/jrg7cu05nttu49f/LAPD_Fonts.rar
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Charlie686 in Weapons are getting removed from inventoryDo you have StopThePed installed? If so go into the ini file and disable the realistic weapon system!
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I've said it once before here, I bought a gaming computer because of this mod alone. I'll never be able to put into words how much I appreciate this mod, the creators, and the members for what they do to help and create content. One of the best communities I have been apart of
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This post hit me right in the feels! im speechless! its been very controversial with whining from members in the community both here and on discord servers as of late...and its caused a bit of an uproar in the community and negative talks, which now put into prospective by stating just how much the download traffic costs, it really touched me and, to be frank, makes me want to go comment some pretty negative things against those people on the forums making complaints about how much money sam is supposedly making? As if any cash value could really touch the amount of work and dedication has been put into making this amazing game work. LCPDFR is, and has always been, completely free! despite countless unpaid hours for for the last couple years from devs and modders alike, the game continues to strive on! ive played from the shadows, trying to donate as much as possible when possible.... just recently have i felt comfy enough to come register and speak my mind on some of the injustices ive seen lately. This was well needed, well worded, and perfectly timed. Thanks sam.
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With all the talk about LSPDFR 0.4, it's been a little while since we've provided a general update on our community. Of course, LSPDFR 0.4 is our main priority at the moment and we'll have more to say about it shortly, but we thought it important to also address and announce a couple of things regarding our community.
What our Community stands for
Before anything else, I'd like to take a moment to reflect on who we are, as people that run this website, and as a community.
LCPDFR was founded, back in 2009, simply because I thought it'd be a fun thing to do. To play as the police in GTA IV. It was an idea, ambitious for its time, and nothing more. I worked on LCPDFR because it was fun, I published it because I thought others might also enjoy it. LCPDFR has come a long way since then, it has evolved from one person's topic on a forum, to its own website, to its own forum, to its own community. We've spanned two games, our reach has grown massively, our community is approaching 300,000 registered members. The amount of work that goes into developing LSPDFR alone is staggering - the time that we've spent on it is measured not in days, weeks or months, but years. Likewise, the effort required to keep our website online is vastly underestimated - in the past month we've served around 30 terabytes of download traffic alone, and have done all of this despite persistent, targeted denial of service and hacking attacks against us. To put this in context, if you were to serve 30 terabytes of data through Amazon Web Services, it'd cost you $3,000 a month - and that's just one month of download traffic.
Why do we do this? Because it's fun. We love developing our community, we love developing our mod, and we love that other people - complete strangers, from all over the world, from countries you've probably never heard of, from all walks of life... we love that they love LSPDFR. Our community has achieved incredible things: we've created an entire gaming phenomenon and we've developed things that nobody ever thought would be possible. Our members have done more than simply play games or make mods: we've fought hand-in-hand against corporate giants (and won), we've transformed peoples' entire lives by sparking new careers and we've been covered everywhere from massive YouTube channels to mainstream media publications. Heck, we've even triggered out of touch government ministers in Australia.
That's not the whole story, though. Sometimes we are the story. Sometimes we make mistakes. We've had catastrophes, like the time where we had a hyped countdown on the website only to reveal a private testing version of LCPDFR that nobody could access. Our first ever livestream had to be rescued by Steve and Jeff after it started with Prophet driving a train around Los Santos and infamously stating "this is not the preview for LSPDFR 0.3" while our community manager could do nothing but watch helplessly after being accidentally disconnected. We've messed up releases, we've announced things too quickly, and sometimes we've not announced things at all.
Yet, despite all of this. Nine years later, we're still here. We're still making mods, we're still developing this community, and we've stuck true to our principles the entire time:
Our community is open to all. We treat members equally regardless of their status. Everything is completely free of charge, with no catches.
Why? It's not about fame, it's not about money, it's not about status. It's about love. We love LCPDFR, we love LSPDFR, and we love our community. We don't think that modding should be hidden in private Discord servers. We don't think that modding should be something people pay for. We don't think that modding should be an ego boost.
We just think that modding should be fun. It should be open, and it should be free. That's what we stand for, and that's what we do.
How you can get involved
Last year, we opened up applications to join our Community Team for the first time. This resulted in a couple of new faces joining our moderation team and upon reflection, we think it's a good change in approach from previously handpicking staff members ourselves. We've decided to open these applications again, and would invite anyone who is interested in volunteering some of their free time to moderating our community to apply by following the link below. Our volunteer Community Moderators are a vital part of everything that we do, and it wouldn't be possible to maintain the community without them.
To find out more and to submit an application, please visit: http://lcpd.fr/staffapp
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Sam in Signing out.Well, we will of course showcase some of the new AI developments but we're not going to lump that into a post about the new customization options. With 0.3, we posted a series of previews focusing on different areas and with 0.4 it's much the same. We've simply not gotten to those parts yet.
Regarding some of your other points, I'm aware that there's issues with toxicity and staff. For the former - this is really something that's in your hands. Be the change that you want to see. As for us, we've tried for a long, long time to make the community friendlier and more accessible. It's pretty much what gave birth to our website. Before LCPDFR, you had GTAPoliceMods.com where you could be banned for being from a "foreign" country, or for posting a mod that an admin didn't like. I think we've come a long way.
About staff, I admit that there's a couple of problems, but let me just say that we've had a number of incredibly dedicated staff members over the years, and there's people who have literally given large chunks of their lives to this community. Our team have gone above and beyond on so many different occasions - whether it's being disturbed on Christmas to deal with trolls filling up the site with porn, or persevering through death threats and constant, daily doses of personal abuse. On the whole, when you actually look at the sheer volume of work - they do handle an incredible amount of stuff.
But honestly, t0y, I understand the general sentiment behind your post and we'd be sad to see you leave.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Sam in Signing out.I'll just say that this simply isn't true. LSPDFR 0.4 is actually a pretty fundamental shift. RDE and EUP haven't been watered down, nor have they been added. EUP is, at its core, a mod which adds various models and textures which replace some of the GTA Online player clothing. We're not adding that, we're instead adding native, seamless compatibility for it which is something that you can't really achieve just now. I don't really know how RDE figures into anything - the core of that mod is partially content that it adds, like police cars, and partially the custom wanted level responses.
And, a lot of people do want this. It's one of the things that we've heard time and time again from so many people. There's a huge demand for GTA Online characters with EUP outfits to be available as NPCs, and there's a huge demand for native custom character support in LSPDFR.
And, what's being dimmed down? The current mods available for stopping and frisking use animations that bend your player character over halfway into the suspect and then make them feel around the air. We included this in the first announcement for 0.4 as it was something pretty different, and visual, that people would instantly notice - and they did. Nobody wants to see us talk instead about how we've restructured our pursuit code to use behavior trees.
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Jimmy Vance reacted toDeactivated Memberin Where?Short: I've been off for months now due to a high-functioning illness. I'm glad to be perfectly stable and willing to pass thanks to all of u.
I'll be moving on. I hope all of my fans remember me.
c u
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Sam in LSPDFR 0.4 - Announcement + First PreviewAs I said before we are looking forward to sharing more about 0.4 really soon. It's a little bit hard at the moment as I'm in Canada just now, but rest assured that there's more on the way.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Sam in LSPDFR 0.4 - Announcement + First PreviewBeen a while, huh?
You know, when we first started making LSPDFR, the whole process was pretty much one big roller-coaster that didn't have any brakes: there were the obvious highs when we'd finally add in something cool, but the low points were pretty hard as well - the amount of work that went into simply researching how things worked really took its toll as well. And, of course, while this was all going on there just simply wasn't any stopping, we were a couple of (somewhat) real people who essentially lived in Los Santos for just about all of 2015, spending month after month pushing forward and trying to come up with things that everyone here would like to see.
So, of course, the grind and the pace of everything simply just wasn't sustainable and after 0.3, it's no secret that while the numbers and everything for our site are still on the up, month after month, things did slow down quite substantially for the actual mod itself. But, we can tell you, this wasn't all bad news - it's afforded us the opportunity to take a step back and really look at the mod and figure out where we want to go next with it. While our approach before was all about cramming as much new stuff as we could into a couple of months of development, we've now been able to look back at many of the original ideas and concepts that we had for LSPDFR and build on them. Of course, with that being said, there's still a lot of new stuff crammed into 0.4!
With 0.4, we've taken the time to fix a couple of those "how the hell didn't they add this yet" moments :)
Aside from the cool little additions like this, though, the major theme of 0.4 is Character. Ever since seeing the character system for GTA Online, it was always our goal to implement something similar in LSPDFR. There's just something that much more personal and immersive about playing a game with your own character, and the possibilities that it offers are staggering too. And yes, while mods like EUP are fantastic (and awesomely compatible with 0.4!), they still feel somewhat separate or distant. With 0.4, this separation is gone.
No, these shots aren't taken from GTA Online. This is our own, fully-featured, LSPDFR Character Creator.
Of course, we'll talk more about the new Character features in LSPDFR 0.4 later. The Character Creator menu shown above is obviously only one part of what's new in this regard, although hopefully it emphasizes the effort that we've gone to. Thanks to some of the new additions like this, much of 0.4 actually looks and feels like an entirely new mod altogether.
Officer Ronson and his clones obviously couldn't make it to the flashlight party.
Stay tuned! We'll be sharing more about 0.4 soon.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to germinus in Is LSPDFR dead?Plenty of activity on here so far from dead, I guess there is just no reason to up date... "If it aint broke, don't fix it!"
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Jimmy Vance reacted to thegreathah in Petition to Take-Two Interactive & Rockstar Games RE: OpenIV closingIt's definitely a loss to me. This is a fun hobby where I can actually do some creative stuff. It's really a loss all around, which is why, again, this makes no sense.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Original Light in PresidentI am disappointed in him reversing his campaign promises.
The wall turned into "fencing" in some areas.
The Clinton's are now "good people" and he doesn't want to prosecute her.
But I do have to defend his cabinet picks. He's not choosing politicians, he's choosing successful businessmen that know how to make money - so they can make money for our country and make our economy thrive again. At least that's how I perceive it. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe a year from now, I'll laugh at this post.
We can't make judgments too soon, he's not even in office yet. However, I will say this. He's not even sworn in yet, and he's already done more than Obama has in 8 years for the middle class (golf, golf, horrible universal healthcare plan, golf).
My dad was an HVAC technician, specifically for an oil company. He made a great salary. My Dad voted for Obama, thinking he would be a good president. One year later, in 2009, my Dad got laid off from the company due to slowing business (government incentives for installing natural gas heating instead of oil). My Dad now makes roughly half the salary of what he used to at another job, and our taxes have increased 45%. My Dad voted for Trump this year (as did I, and my Mom). We're not racist, hillbilly, Budweiser drinking Southern people that the media seems to label all Trump voters. My Dad voted for Obama in 2008, my Mom is a college educated white-collar office worker, and I go to college with the aspirations of becoming a police officer. We voted for Trump because we didn't want another 4 years of a Democratic, Obama-like Administration running our Country. For me, it was choosing the lesser of two evils.
Even if Donald Trump gets impeached, at least we will still have a unified Republican government. Obviously, what we've been doing for the last 8 years isn't working. We need a new direction, and I honestly believe that's the Republican direction. Cutting taxes across the board for companies and every person, so jobs don't move out of the U.S... and that increased employment rate will generate more revenue for the government. And people will have more spending money with tax cuts, allowing them to buy more and support businesses. Whereas Democrats love raising taxes, and it does the opposite effect. Reagan lowered taxes back in the 1980's, and he increased government revenue by 65% if my memory serves me correct.
My final point. I believe Hollywood celebrities, or anyone that isn't Middle Class or below, to try and criticize those of us who voted for Trump is disgraceful. They don't understand what we're going through, how our jobs have been taken away, salaries cut, scraping by week by week. They have fancy limos, gourmet dinners, and never have to worry about not being able to pay outrageous tax fees and bills that are increasing month by month, and year by year.
I also believe this country is too divided. Everyone is either far left, or far right. What ever happened to being reasonable, or in other words, being a moderate/Independent?
That's my rant.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Darkmyre in ELS Bug that crashes other pluginsMake ELS Great Again!
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Jimmy Vance reacted to iStrong in Liberty City in GTA VYes getting to play in Liberty City, in GTA V without all the terrible crashing and performance issues of GTA IV, would be amazing! I really hope LSPDFR will work in that map addon.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to cold3000 in Liberty City in GTA VHey, the game is pretty cheap on Steam. its about 6 dollars for the Complete Edition and episodes from liberty city is around 5 dollar. right now its on sale -70%
Sale ends in 20 hours
Also finally we can bring the start of LCPDFR back with what we have now :D NYPD HERE I COME!
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Jimmy Vance reacted to Will in Liberty City in GTA VThe OpenIV team has been working on a way to bring Liberty City to GTA V and it looks like they are getting close to a release: http://openiv.com/?p=1285
The way it works is it will convert the existing Liberty City from your GTA IV installation to GTA V - that way you don't have to download the entire map, and there are less legal issues with redistributing it. Downside is you'll have to have GTA IV or EFLC installed for it to work.
Figured I'd share since I'm sure some people here would be interested.
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Jimmy Vance reacted to NightSt4lker in straitdill WIP showroomI wouldn't stop work on BEL. one thing I noticed with the gta community is that a lot of people do not use els. expecially with the carcols and how default lighting is now, its one less script that can save on performance and issues in the long run. Myself, I use a mix of els and BEL. it all depends on the car to me, not the functionality. a lot of people including myself love BEL.