Hastings

Not a refugee is what you meant to say I guess? All I can say is I hope the victims will recover soon. The cops did a good job. PS a Sam Hyde joke on this forum? Maaan...

To clarify, out here warning shots/legs/arms shot are mainly used to stop a person armed with melee weapons, those who are drugged/drunk and actively (and violently) resisting, or when attacking in groups. An active shooter would probably be shot in the center of mass or in the head if possible (there are exceptions, however, a month ago an active shooter was struck 8 times all other the body and made it, that's Makarov pistols for you) Perhaps one of the reasons Russian police does that is that they don't have that much non-lethal gear Europe and the USA has. So, our country is probably not the best example (I'm pretty sure many our cops would love a beanbag shotgun or a Tazer). Guess @Antia's case is different as I imagine their police force is much better equipped (capitalism, ho!)

Well, damage to the femoral artery will usually lead to a really quick death (at least out here the ambulance would arrive just in time to declare DOA)... So if he's struck and not dead, I'd have to finish him off? Out here the law does not even authorise "to shoot to kill", it's always to counter the threat - which may be less dangerous or more dangerous to the suspect. Even a baton or a taser may be lethal if applied incorrectly (or if the person is unlucky), or even a face punch. But you wouldn't instantly break the guy's neck to stop him, right?

I think this may be a better option, considering at least one being here should be sober...

I was actually surprised to see that. This is an armored Land Cruiser 200 with two busted-out rear tires. They drove several kilometers in circles before finally losing control and getting boxed in. This. sadly, was not caught on camera (the "cameraman" finally felt carsick from what I heard). Hey, if you need a getaway car, you know what to get (yep, Toyota owner and proud XD)

World's getting tougher, people getting more desperate, media giving them huge coverage, other desperate and / or unstable people see that and think they can get their 15 seconds of fame too, something like that. This year alone we had two school attacks in my country, a decade ago that was completely unheard of.

Not to get into an argument, really, as yours and mine views are pretty much similar, but to me the "holding to higher standards" concept is slightly different. In my view, it's about demanding more, not allowing more. For example, law enforcement officers are expected to obey traffic laws off-duty just because they're law enforcement officers and should set an example (at least where I'm from). If we hold them to a higher standard, we assume they're more capable, more resourceful and overall more prepared to face worst case scenarios than a Joe Citizen, but we are not required to presume that anything they do is right until proven wrong. It's a very dangerous concept that can hurt society in the long run. At the same time, trusting the police is another matter. I don't presume they're infallible, but I trust them in the majority of cases.

You know betters since, um, you live there, but are you suggesting a conspiracy between local cops and the Fibbies? That's some Dave Norton GTA V type theory. Dirty cops are one thing, the feds covering up for them (going so far as refusing to consider the death trial-related) is the other. I find it hard to imagine this king of stuff happening even here, in our Corruption Free Zone, because those who investigate police have their own targets and quotas and plans, and it would take something Illuminaty-grade to help cover up such murder. If the feds were interested in shutting down this trial, I'm sure they had some other tools (mostly bureaucratic) at their disposal. Ours definitely have them.

Hey, they're in China already.

Well, seems like he figured out that being remembered as the leader who ended the 50 year long hostility and saved the world from a nuclear war is much better than being vaguely known as "another one of the Kims from North Korea". Got to give credit where credit is due.

Hey, these are the guys who use Tahoes for street patrol (and out here that's a several-million-worth truck for the top shelf guys only), and you're proposing what, a VW? Just kidding ofc. On the other side, Americans are used to large and spacious vehicles. I can hardly think of any European non-luxury brand that's suitable... Maybe really a Volvo.

They have. In game universe, Noose is the equivalent to the US DHS. GTA IV had Noose Patriotism and Immigration Enforcement (i.e. DHS ICE), but neither game featured Border Patrol. However, RDE does add PIA: and has CBP made from scratch! RDE even makes those cars have official US Govt. plates! (yeah, I love this mod all right) Honestly, if you're looking for something lore-friendly, there's nothing better.

There's no such thing as a 'little Volvo' Anyway with the ever increasing amount of gear you guys carry, and the more restrictive pursuit policies you'll soon need to move on to full size trailer trucks!

Then there'd be no need to install it in the first place. I'd love to see that search animation and all those built-in customization features in game. Like a strawberry on top of a cake. In other thread @Sam sorta hinted that pursuit is reformed in the 0.4. That would be the cake!

I may appear a bit biased, but I definitely with you on the Skripal case. Yep, smuggle a top-secret neural gas to one of the most secure countries on Earth to kill a traitor to make a statement... by the gas that is not supposed to be traced back to Russia as it's top secret... and somehow they survived... because apparently UK hospitals store antidots for Soviet top secret gases... just in case... Nevermind, it's off the topic. On the topic I say, honestly, I believe in 'chemical weaponry'. Imagine, Assadian army is fighting a decentralized force which holes up in basements, trenches, underground structures (plenty of that in Eastern cities) etc. Clearing all those places is nearly impossible, so Assadians opt to use chlorine to force them away. Not an impossible scenario at all. And I doubt they really care about chemical attacks as much as Europeans do and this is not a big deal for them but a nice cause for other countries to stir the pot and show who's the boss. Shit, I'd hate to die in the nuclear fire just because some Syrian guys can't storm a basement of a 400 y.o. shed in the desert.

Out of curiosity, do you know any dept in your state that has the academy longer than 6 months? From what I see online, this is a pretty standard duration. Yes, and to become a law enforcement officer (like receive a lieutenant rank) you can either get it in a police university or in a civilian one. Our system is kinda messed up to the extent that me being familiar with it still have to reread the laws... I like yours more, at the very least it's a clear system.

We call our country The Northern Zimbabwe sometimes Can't say anything about training as I'm completely unfamiliar with it (the Police Academy hardly counts). Out here training lasts for six months in general plus field training, however to become an officer (we have that dumb Soviet system when cops have military ranks) you need a 4-year degree (usually a law degree). That helps you a bit, but doesn't really make you a good police officer. How long are they trained in your place?

Interesting that Europeans more or less agree on the use of force tactics, even people from so different places like you or me (hey, my place is at least partially in Europe!). However I believe the majority of American cops have solid training and good judgement. It's those 0.2 or 0.3% that make case law and cause media shitstorms, and in my opinion (again, that's just an opinion, no facts or research attached) they are encouraged by the 'taking care of our own' mentality. What I mean is an incompetent officer may be despised by its peers, badly thought of by the supervisors, but in the end of the day he knows that the department would protect him. Otherwise it would harm their public face (bad personnel = bad training, this suggests systematic flaws withing the department and this could mean many ugly questions for the management). Of course I realise perfectly you can't dissect a couple-age-old problem in a forum post. Nevertheless I believe that's a contributing part.

I think it has more to do with guns. I spoke to many US LEOs and the way I understood they always expect the worst and prepare for the worst, i.e. they must be ready to react and use lethal force at any moment, or get killed. In such circumstances it's logical that the priority is to neutralize the threat. I think in Europe and my country the threat goes uphill: the most common is physical resistance, then blunt weapons and only then guns, and even then shots are rarely fired at the police. So the response to the threat is scaled accordingly -- from less lethal by default to lethal in extreme cases. In the States they prepare to counter a shooting... So they can't rely on less lethal weapons by default. Of course it's just my theory and can be completely bull lol

Maybe used, maybe didn't, can you really tell? I recall a conversation I had on this forum with a member (who as I understood was a USAF vet or active duty). To convince him leg/arm shots are fairly standard here, I had to locate and provide him with the Ministry of Internal Affairs regulations of firearms training. One exercise includes officers shooting the target's arm holding a firearm from 10 meters, 3 shots. And it is a standard exercise which all the cadets and active officers shall pass. Of course I never mean "do as we do". I only mean that some people do things differently.

I'm not sure what the fuss is all about... Out here law enforcement must extend every effort to minimize the harm done to the perp under the law. This means guns are the last resort and even then lethal force is only acceptable if no legs/arms shot were possible. Of course, there is a negative side: cops are somewhat reluctant to use their firearms. as even drawing the gun may be considered unnecessary force by the prosecution. So sometimes they won't do it until it's too late. Gun ownership first comes to mind... Then -- the abundance of gangs and gang members who either think it's cool to shoot cops or who won't go to jail... I'm not sure. In my country shooting cops is a rare and tragic event.

What's the purpose of those dump trucks (ex-army M35 I think)? Just plain heavy duty hauls? NYPD also has some old armored trucks resembling those San Andreas FBI trucks. Look cool too.

I'm aware of the legislation and history of my country and its predecessors. NKVD met armed resistance as late as in 1933 (accordingly, in this period penalties for firearm ownership were strengthened). And, of course, after the Second World War the amount of firearms only increased. According to the police records, the amount of yearly confiscated rifled firearms (not hunting weapons) in RSFSR alone peaked at 10 000 items in the end of 1950's. I wasn't talking about legal right to bear arms.