https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/19/united-states-announce-withdrawal-un-human-rights-council/

No surprise, The U.N. is a joke in itself.   

It's not really an unexpected decision, seems kinda like the expected pendulum swing back between left-right politics in the US considering the US only re-entered in 2009 with Obama.

The UN Human Rights Council is a joke. Israel has 45 condemnations while North Korea has 9. And one of the most laughable parts of that council is that Saudi Arabia, a country that tortures and executes gays, is still on it.

Cheers, my man Trump is done with the UN and it's BS.

On 6/20/2018 at 10:25 PM, c13 said:

The UN Human Rights Council is a joke. Israel has 45 condemnations while North Korea has 9. And one of the most laughable parts of that council is that Saudi Arabia, a country that tortures and executes gays, is still on it.

 

The US could do something about that at the council, to ask for this to be looked into. But Saudi Arabia is a good buddy, and they don't want to upset a good buddy. So the US are equally responsible and guilty of making this council a 'joke'. It's hypocritical to complain about something and say it's a 'joke' when it doesn't go the way you want it to go while pushing your own agendas in the back like everyone else in it.

5 hours ago, Hystery said:

 

The US could do something about that at the council, to ask for this to be looked into. But Saudi Arabia is a good buddy, and they don't want to upset a good buddy. So the US are equally responsible and guilty of making this council a 'joke'. It's hypocritical to complain about something and say it's a 'joke' when it doesn't go the way you want it to go while pushing your own agendas in the back like everyone else in it.

  Actually the U.S. could not do anything about the council since it is the General Assembly that votes who is seated and each member of  the General Assembly only has 1 vote.  

Yes Saudi Arabia is a Ally of the U.S. but that doesn't mean that we Americans can't criticize the U.N. for calling out Israel for her crimes while letting Palestine, Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba, Zimbabwe and Venezuela commit crimes of their own. (those nations are just a example of places that should be called out)

 

  The U.N. is truly a joke that should no longer exist, they bash certain people while allowing others to commit horrible acts that that should anger everyone in this world.

58 minutes ago, ToeBius said:

  Actually the U.S. could not do anything about the council since it is the General Assembly that votes who is seated and each member of  the General Assembly only has 1 vote.  

Yes Saudi Arabia is a Ally of the U.S. but that doesn't mean that we Americans can't criticize the U.N. for calling out Israel for her crimes while letting Palestine, Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba, Zimbabwe and Venezuela commit crimes of their own. (those nations are just a example of places that should be called out)

 

What I was pointing at is that people seem to complain about the UN being pushed by its members and their agendas, while the US does exactly the same. It's like complaining you get bullied, while bullying someone yourself. It's hypocritical. It's a classic case of 'look at my neighbor's shit but don't look at mine'. Not saying only the US does it, they all do it, but it's kinda double-standard-ish to point it out as if the US was completely innocent in the story.

 

58 minutes ago, ToeBius said:

The U.N. is truly a joke that should no longer exist, they bash certain people while allowing others to commit horrible acts that that should anger everyone in this world.

 

Nah nah. The UN isn't a joke. The UN is, and I quote, "an intergovernmental organization tasked to promote international cooperation and to create and maintain international order. A replacement for the ineffective League of Nations, the organization was established on 24 October 1945 after World War II with the aim of preventing another such conflict." As you can see, the UN has very noble goals. It promotes talks over conflicts. Negotiations over wars. I'm sure that you wouldn't want a WWIII, neither do I. The UN play a role in preventing such a thing to happen.

 

The issue doesn't lie in the UN itself, and blaming the UN is just asking for trouble. It's what the members of the UN do that is allegedly troublesome. Don't blame the UN, blame the country-members that do or do not do things you'd like things done. It's an issue pretty similar to the EU. The EU in itself wasn't a bad idea, it was pretty good actually, on the paper, but it was the way it was executed and how it turned out over the years that made it the mess it is nowadays. 

Edited June 22, 20187 yr by Hystery

4 hours ago, Hystery said:

What I was pointing at is that people seem to complain about the UN being pushed by its members and their agendas, while the US does exactly the same. It's like complaining you get bullied, while bullying someone yourself. It's hypocritical. It's a classic case of 'look at my neighbor's shit but don't look at mine'. Not saying only the US does it, they all do it, but it's kinda double-standard-ish to point it out as if the US was completely innocent in the story.

  No you were not, and we, the U.S., have raised concerns about the actions of other's on multiple occasions and what the assemble has done is continue to fail to act in accordance.  They have done this since the beginning of it's founding, and never stopped aiding criminal actions.  

 

  The double standard here is the General Assembly putting nations on the human rights councel that have human rights violations themselves.

 

  And please tell me what is soo  hypocritical that the U.S. does?  We have been the top producer of fund's to the U.N. since its founding.  While we threw 100 million into the U.N. the Soviet union put 8 million into it and the U.N. repeatedly gave the Soviet union 10 million in reimbursements.  When we agreed to the treaties that were put in place and we didn't violate them, yet the Soviet union and her allies continued to violate these treaties, the U.N. would turn the other cheek.  When we denied going into treaty talks the U.N. would scold us for giving up on humanity yet at the same time she would allow Castro and his cronies to murder thousands of people that did not hold his political beliefs. 

4 hours ago, Hystery said:

Nah nah. The UN isn't a joke. The UN is, and I quote, "an intergovernmental organization tasked to promote international cooperation and to create and maintain international order. A replacement for the ineffective League of Nations, the organization was established on 24 October 1945 after World War II with the aim of preventing another such conflict." As you can see, the UN has very noble goals. It promotes talks over conflicts. Negotiations over wars. I'm sure that you wouldn't want a WWIII, neither do I. The UN play a role in preventing such a thing to happen.

  The U.N. can say what ever it wants to describe itself, but the fact remains that the U.N. has done nothing to stop wars nor prevent them.  She stood by as Chairman Mao Zedong ordered his men to murder millions, as the Rwandan genocide happened, condemned Rhodesia for her independence and called her a criminal state while allowing Russia and China to train and supply communist force's that did in fact commit horrid act's to push their agenda.  She did nothing when Castro ordered political prisoners and their family's to be exicuted, but spits at us for putting a embargo on cuba. 

4 hours ago, Hystery said:

The issue doesn't lie in the UN itself, and blaming the UN is just asking for trouble. It's what the members of the UN do that is allegedly troublesome. Don't blame the UN, blame the country-members that do or do not do things you'd like things done. It's an issue pretty similar to the EU. The EU in itself wasn't a bad idea, it was pretty good actually, on the paper, but it was the way it was executed and how it turned out over the years that made it the mess it is nowadays. 

  The U.N. is the issue and will always be the issue, she is hijacked and used for political goals with no real goal of helping anyone.  More has been done by individual nations and private entities than what the U.N. has done.  

 

  The EU was suppost to be a trading block ment to combat the USSR and somewhere down the line your leaders gave it more power and it is the mess that it is today.  The EU is just as jacked up as the U.N. the USSR and what my government the U.S. has become today.  

3 hours ago, ToeBius said:

And please tell me what is soo  hypocritical that the U.S. does?

 

I already said it. First, that the US complain about some countries not respecting the human rights, but conveniently choose not to say anything about the ones they're allied with. And second, that the US complain about some countries not respect the human rights, while they don't respect them themselves. Should I remind you the existence of Guantanamo and the horrors that happened and still happen there? Yeah, not really all human rights-friendly. It's fun how people quickly forget about those things. When you complain about something but you do it yourself or ignore the fact your friends are doing it is being hypocritical, no matter how much money you put on the table.

 

3 hours ago, ToeBius said:

The U.N. can say what ever it wants to describe itself, but the fact remains that the U.N. has done nothing to stop wars nor prevent them.  She stood by as Chairman Mao Zedong ordered his men to murder millions, as the Rwandan genocide happened

 

Yeah, not gonna argue with you on that, putting someone who violates regularly human rights as a chairman of the council is ridiculous. Although I don't remember the US complaining a lot about this particular case lately, and clearly it's not the reason why they decided now to leave the council. It was more a situation of 'mimimi u bully my friend (Isreal) so i will throw a tantrum and leave the council'.

 

3 hours ago, ToeBius said:

The U.N. is the issue and will always be the issue, she is hijacked and used for political goals with no real goal of helping anyone.

 

Ah, see, you're saying it yourself. It has been HIJACKED. When a plane is hijacked to make it crash somewhere, do you blame the plane, or the hijackers? Personally I choose to blame the hijackers, in this case the country-members. But if you prefer to blame the plane, hey, you do you.

Edited June 23, 20187 yr by Hystery

9 hours ago, Hystery said:

said it. First, that the US complain about some countries not respecting the human rights, but conveniently choose not to say anything about the ones they're allied with. And second, that the US complain about some countries not respect the human rights, while they don't respect them themselves. Should I remind you the existence of Guantanamo and the horrors that happened and still happen there? Yeah, not really all human rights-friendly. It's fun how people quickly forget about those things. When you complain about something but you do it yourself or ignore the fact your friends are doing it is being hypocritical, no matter how much money you put on the table.

  So only Guantanamo?  A facility that has been winding down it's opperations and removing prisoner's and that has faced huge scrutiny both at home and abroad for fhe actions done under the bush administration.  I've never forgotten about what happened there nore has many other's.  

 

  What I am complaining about is the hypocrisy that the U.N. has always been.

9 hours ago, Hystery said:

Yeah, not gonna argue with you on that, putting someone who violates regularly human rights as a chairman of the council is ridiculous. Although I don't remember the US complaining a lot about this particular case lately, and clearly it's not the reason why they decided now to leave the council. It was more a situation of 'mimimi u bully my friend (Isreal) so i will throw a tantrum and leave the council'.

  The Israel situation is a good example of even if we did complain about Saudi Arabia that the council would do nothing.  They bash, condem and wish for the destruction of Israel while praising and helping the Palestinians.  If the council fails to stand up for Israel but praises the Palestinians, then even attempting to bring up a point about Saudi Arabia is going to fail too.  The member's on the council favor certain group's over other's and the Israeli/ Palestinian or the U.S./ Soviet issue's are perfect examples.

 

9 hours ago, Hystery said:

Ah, see, you're saying it yourself. It has been HIJACKED. When a plane is hijacked to make it crash somewhere, do you blame the plane, or the hijackers? Personally I choose to blame the hijackers, in this case the country-members. But if you prefer to blame the plane, hey, you do you.

  Yes I am saying that it has been hijacked by the "MEMBER'S" in the U.N. to push their political goals.  I do recognise that it is the member's that are a huge issue within the U.N. but the U.N. in itself is also a major issue since it's founding and the only way to correct those issues is to get rid of it.

 

  The U.N. sounded like a good idea but, in reality, it is a terrible outcome from desperate people to try and form a organization with the hopes of keeping nation's from dragging us into another world war that causes nothing but pain and suffering.  In reality some of the worst nation's have gained voting power's within the U.N. and pressed for their image to be spread around the world without consequence.

 

  I get it, the U.N. sounds good on paper but when you look at what has been done with it, you find out that it is a broken machine that cannot be fixed.

  And what do you do with something that cant be fixed?  You scrap it.

Edited June 23, 20187 yr by ToeBius