http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-suiter-shutdown-body-cameras-20180428-story.html

 

In one video taken two days after Suiter was shot in mid-November, a man is stopped on the street about 1:40 a.m. by an officer who tells him he can’t go home without first providing a photo ID.

“In order for you to be able to walk down here, we have to be able to ID you,” the officer says.

 

Huh, didn't know this was North Korea. Not legal, at all.  No one has the right to do this, not even cops.

 

Police have said it was necessary to cordon off the neighborhood in the days after Suiter’s death to ensure the safety of the community, preserve the crime scene, and pursue leads in the earliest stages of the investigation. The neighborhood was shut off for five days.

 

Someone should inform these idiots that there is a difference between "cordoning off" a crime scene and shutting down an entire neighborhood.

 

The ACLU and the Sun separately requested videos of street interactions with pedestrians and motorists, and of searches of occupied homes within the area that was cordoned off. The videos released this week captured only street interactions.

Residents are stopped on the street and asked questions. They are required to show identification to get to their homes. Sometimes they are prevented from getting home, ask when the lockdown will be lifted and are given vague answers. The officers watch residents performing mundane tasks, such as taking their dogs outside to relieve themselves.

 

This is what BPD is doing now, restricting people from going home and watching dogs shit?

 

Suiter’s killing has perplexed investigators for months. Some in the police department believe Suiter was killed; others believe he committed suicide. Suiter was scheduled to testify the day after he was shot before a federal grand jury looking into the corrupt police Gun Trace Task Force. The FBI has said it does not believe Suiter’s death was related to his pending testimony.

 

 

You really expect us to believe this is a coincidence?  There have been plenty of times where an officer was shot and killed, but they never (to my knowledge) shut down a neighborhood and became North Korea.  The extent they are going to "find the shooter" indicates to me that it is purely for show, they know who killed him.  At least, the higher ups do.

 

I really feel bad for those who are too less fortunate to move away.  Baltimore is such a shitty place.

 

Man, tomorrow we'll find you suicided with three bullets in the back for saying that kind of things. 

6 minutes ago, Hystery said:

Man, tomorrow we'll find you suicided with three bullets in the back for saying that kind of things. 

 

and the police report will say "he had his back turned to me, I felt threatened!"

I'm sure the shooter of the detective didin du nuffin', was about to go to college and get his life together. So sad what a sh!thole Baltimore and Chicago and other inner city areas with such terrible living standards. 

3 minutes ago, GTALawEnforcer said:

I'm sure the shooter of the detective didin du nuffin', was about to go to college and get his life together.

 

I know where you're going with that, but I'm almost positive either it was a cop that did it, or someone the big dogs hired.  It would really, really be one hell of a coincidence if it truly was unrelated to the fact that he was testifying.

8 minutes ago, Giordano said:

 

I know where you're going with that, but I'm almost positive either it was a cop that did it, or someone the big dogs hired.  It would really, really be one hell of a coincidence if it truly was unrelated to the fact that he was testifying.

 

 

That's the whole rap culture " snitches get stitches " , those neighborhoods are scared into silence and it's terrible. There is a reason homicide closure rates are going down, and it's because of this " f the police " " i didn't' see nuffin " attitude. Honestly i say they quit responding all together. Let em OD on the sidewalks and riddle each-other with 9's and 40's. Don't even dispatch EMS or a Coroner, just let em' lay. Maybe some of the folks laws will grow some grass for once with some good fertilizer. It's amazing how they will refuse to cooperate, be an accessory , and then go dialing 911 and expecting help at a seconds notice. I feel like there should be a gang member registry, and all those on it are not eligible for Emergency Services any longer. They don't deserve it. Clean up your communities and get some sense of respect and responsibility and contribute to society. A big problem is the rap/hip hop culture, the kids listen to this crap and are directly influenced by it, children are very pliable. Sad and stupid situation, i just hope the Detective can hold on and pull through.

Edited May 1, 20188 yr by GTALawEnforcer

I don't believe that the issue is that residents fear being targeted for calling the Police. There's just simply a disconnect between the impoverished neighborhoods (usually black neighborhoods) and law enforcement within Baltimore City. Baltimore City Police are well-known for their corruption and mistreatment of residents, and I've experienced and witnessed it first-hand during my visits. I've witnessed groups of Police officers literally walk down the sidewalk with nightsticks and verbally threaten and harass people in ghetto neighborhoods. Response times are also terrible depending on where they're called to respond. Baltimore Police will literally show up to an area, do a few laps around the block, and roll out. Nowhere to be seen until called back again. But God forbid they get a call down at the harbor or in a high-income neighborhood, they'll be all over that in a heartbeat. They don't treat you with respect either. They use profane and vulgar language, they handle people aggressively, and they're disrespectful. You can also see the lack of interest when they're called and the manner in which they conduct their "investigations", which usually consists of a few laps around the block and then leaving, or posting up in an alley and falling asleep; all of which I've witnessed personally. It's also convenient how during the riots, the media didn't report the fact that the National Guard was only posted down at the harbor and the higher-income neighborhoods. They barely got into the ghetto's, which is where most of the rioting actually took place.

 

Baltimore City is also short hundreds of officers and they've been short for the past few years. This has led to the rapid-employment of low-qualified officers that don't care about their jobs and only want the paycheck, which isn't even that good to begin with. Baltimore City Police officers are underpaid, under-equipped, poorly trained, and they have little respect from the residents as it is due to their rampant corruption. I encourage you all to conduct some research on the failed Gun Trace Task Force that the City created in an attempt to fight gun violence, which was shut down due to the corruption that tainted thousands of cases.

 

All of this combined with a horrendous education system where parents are neglecting their children's education, careless teachers, and standards so low that students who actually do excel don't even compare to the rest of the country by a long shot. A lot of those schools still use chalkboards and some of the kids even take the public buses to and from school. A kid has no support at home, no encouragement at school, and no trust in the Police. Why wouldn't the kid join a gang?

 

When I stayed in Baltimore for a few days with family and tried to order pizza, a lot of the pizzerias said that they didn't deliver to my address but delivered to an address two or three blocks down, because Baltimore is designed in such a way that one road can lead you from a high-income neighborhood directly into a ghetto. When I was finally able to have some random  "Mom and Pap" pizzeria deliver, the driver asked me where I was from once he heard me speak. I told him that I'm not from Baltimore and that I was from another state. He said that I spoke very clearly, with proper English, and complete sentences with a good vocabulary. He told me that it was good, and to stay in school (which I was in high school at the time).

 

How is it that me speaking regularly with proper English baffled someone? That's how bad it is in Baltimore.

 

Baltimore isn't a lost cause like Detroit for example, but it definitely needs change. It's a beautiful city that has its share of problems, but it isn't anything that can't be fixed.

Edited May 1, 20188 yr by TheDivineHustle
Fixed Apple's retarded auto-corrections.

15 hours ago, GTALawEnforcer said:

 

 

That's the whole rap culture " snitches get stitches " , those neighborhoods are scared into silence and it's terrible. There is a reason homicide closure rates are going down, and it's because of this " f the police " " i didn't' see nuffin " attitude. Honestly i say they quit responding all together. Let em OD on the sidewalks and riddle each-other with 9's and 40's. Don't even dispatch EMS or a Coroner, just let em' lay. Maybe some of the folks laws will grow some grass for once with some good fertilizer. It's amazing how they will refuse to cooperate, be an accessory , and then go dialing 911 and expecting help at a seconds notice. I feel like there should be a gang member registry, and all those on it are not eligible for Emergency Services any longer. They don't deserve it. Clean up your communities and get some sense of respect and responsibility and contribute to society. A big problem is the rap/hip hop culture, the kids listen to this crap and are directly influenced by it, children are very pliable. Sad and stupid situation, i just hope the Detective can hold on and pull through.

  It's not the whole "Rap Culture", it is 95% of the time that we don't see anything.  Out of all the crap that has gone on with killing in my neighborhood,  I've only seen 1 vehicle that was used in a drive bye.  Everyone at the area where the shooting happend said that the vic was black and we saw a white late 90's explorer speeding away.  Most of these people talk about snitches get stitches but most of them don't do crap about it.  

 

  Most people do cooperate but with the info that is provided, it is not enough to go on.  When you think that your neighbor isn't talking, they are inside calling the detective telling them what they see.  I talk to the cops out in public and I don't care because I am not, in the slightest bit, afraid of them.  Some people are too scared to talk to cops in public. And don't forget about the police brutality that people have delt with too that would drive them to not want to talk to the cops.  I've seen 5 cops beat the shit out of someone for no reason.

 

  It's not the Rap culture or the hip hop culture, it is the criminal culture.  Criminals and crime have been around ever since man has been so don't blame music. 

 

  If you want the police and ems to stop responding to my area and let these punks kill each other without trying to provide and light on the other side then all that I have to say is shame on you and go back to your fantasy land.  We try to get shit straight, it's just that some people you cant help and it doesn't help when the city shuts down schools and gives up on these kids. 

 

  It's always the small groups that make the loudest noise.  

Edited May 1, 20188 yr by ToeBius

18 hours ago, GTALawEnforcer said:

Don't even dispatch EMS or a Coroner, just let em' lay. Maybe some of the folks laws will grow some grass for once with some good fertilizer.

 

Yeah, I'm sure that when it comes to public hygiene it would surely not cause any trouble, having dead bodies rotting in the streets.

 

But really though. In all seriousness. You've a serious problem if what you just said is actually what you think.

8 hours ago, Hystery said:

 

Yeah, I'm sure that when it comes to public hygiene it would surely not cause any trouble, having dead bodies rotting in the streets.

 

But really though. In all seriousness. You've a serious problem if what you just said is actually what you think.

 

 

I suppose my ideal situation for gang ridden areas in Chicago and Baltimore are " A serious problem " then. Because that's what i think. The police respond to help these communities and are shot dead in response and talked down too. Why bother helping those who don't want to be helped and rather see you die?. Aiding a family member of a Crips gang member in a Homicide is like trying to intervene in a Tribunal Justice Ritual in a Native American Community. They won't take your help and will do what their culture has done for years. Take the law into it's own hands. In the Native American's case it's okay because they are Registered Tribal Police. In the Gang Bangers case, they are just cogs in a machine of violence that deserve no mercy. 

 

What Rodney got, is what all of these senior gang lieutenants deserve.  

Edited May 2, 20188 yr by GTALawEnforcer

11 hours ago, GTALawEnforcer said:

Because that's what i think. The police respond to help these communities and are shot dead in response and talked down too. Why bother helping those who don't want to be helped and rather see you die? [...] In the Gang Bangers case, they are just cogs in a machine of violence that deserve no mercy. 

 

What Rodney got, is what all of these senior gang lieutenants deserve.  

 

I'll be honest, it's quite worrying your profile indicates you wish to work in law enforcement. You're going to give a lot of officers a bad name if you ever do get past the interview stages.

Thankfully they tend to be pretty good at weeding out certain types.  

 

Helping and rendering aid to people regardless of their attitude, background, or occupation is the job. The person with the 'fuck the police' bumper sticker or the 'gang banger' who got shot in a dispute deserves and will get the same service as a church going middle class mother. Presumption of innocence is a key principle in any civilised and free society. 

31 minutes ago, Constable Lego said:

 

I'll be honest, it's quite worrying your profile indicates you wish to work in law enforcement. You're going to give a lot of officers a bad name if you ever do get past the interview stages.

Thankfully they tend to be pretty good at weeding out certain types.  

 

Helping and rendering aid to people regardless of their attitude, background, or occupation is the job. The person with the 'fuck the police' bumper sticker or the 'gang banger' who got shot in a dispute deserves and will get the same service as a church going middle class mother. Presumption of innocence is a key principle in any civilised and free society. 

 

 

Are you scared I'm an armed guard at a dive bar?, or that i conceal and carry legally daily in my town and city?, lol. Cleared Civil Service Exam and Psychological and am going to be working jails or local prisons within 4-6 months. Presumption of innocence is lost on all those affiliated with criminal organizations in my case. Why do you think Stop And Frisk was so successful and getting firearms off the street?. Because they targeting the gang members/baddies in the community. The last thing the United States needs is more passive and cowardly LEO's and or Correctional Officers. Criminals only understand brute force, unless we are talking about some broad with her first DUI or something. You cant weed out tough and hard nosed law enforcement officers or CO's, just the crazy and or stupid ones. Sadly for you and the public i am neither. 

 

 

Edited May 2, 20188 yr by GTALawEnforcer

29 minutes ago, GTALawEnforcer said:

You cant weed out tough and hard nosed law enforcement officers or CO's, just the crazy and or stupid ones. Sadly for you and the public i am neither. 

 

From someone who says we should let people kill each other in the street (with the danger it represents for innocent people to be caught in the fire), and to let the bodies of criminals lay in the streets (with complete disregard for public hygiene and thus safety), basically more or less asking for some kind of The Purge to happen, I would say this last statement is very highly arguable.

7 minutes ago, Hystery said:

 

From someone who says we should let people kill each other in the street (with the danger it represents for innocent people to be caught in the fire), and to let the bodies of criminals lay in the streets (with complete disregard for public hygiene and thus safety), basically more or less asking for some kind of The Purge to happen, I would say this last statement is very highly arguable.

 

The Purge was a crappy-sub par film, and in my opinion a poor excuse for cheap political jabs and corny violence. That's about all i got to say about that. That Detective has passed sadly, and the ACLU is now complaining about how residents in that area have to carry ID since they get stopped often. It's good to know the big picture is being looked at by these political groups. Meanwhile a gang recording a music video brags about this, as the Baltimore PD mourn losing one of their own. Shoot first, and let IA ask questions later. RIP Detective Suiter. What goes around, comes around. I hope to see a fatal OIS video with the suspected shooter soon. With him lying in a puddle of his own blood coiled over on a sidewalk, of course. 

Edited May 2, 20188 yr by GTALawEnforcer

2 hours ago, GTALawEnforcer said:

 

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Are you scared I'm an armed guard at a dive bar?, or that i conceal and carry legally daily in my town and city?, lol. Cleared Civil Service Exam and Psychological and am going to be working jails or local prisons within 4-6 months. Presumption of innocence is lost on all those affiliated with criminal organizations in my case. Why do you think Stop And Frisk was so successful and getting firearms off the street?. Because they targeting the gang members/baddies in the community. The last thing the United States needs is more passive and cowardly LEO's and or Correctional Officers. Criminals only understand brute force, unless we are talking about some broad with her first DUI or something. You cant weed out tough and hard nosed law enforcement officers or CO's, just the crazy and or stupid ones. Sadly for you and the public i am neither. 

 

Wait, let me get this straight, your rebuttal is a photo of some handgun certificate that anyone can get and saying you're a security guard at a bar? Hahahaha (x100). I've never seen someone boast about working security before so kudos to you. 

 

It is indeed difficult to weed out certain people, and they usually go on to later be fired or end up in the media, but saying you're neither 'crazy' nor 'stupid'? That's a bold claim when you're stupid enough to post such things on a public forum when you want a career in law enforcement.

 

But in all honesty, if you're willing to throw away 'presumption of innocence' or have a desire to see someone 'lying in a puddle of his own blood' then you're really no better than the people you like to criticise. Surprisingly people like to hold members of the law enforcement community to a higher standard than criminals. Imagine that. 

On 5/1/2018 at 4:36 AM, Giordano said:

 

I know where you're going with that, but I'm almost positive either it was a cop that did it, or someone the big dogs hired.  It would really, really be one hell of a coincidence if it truly was unrelated to the fact that he was testifying.

You know betters since, um, you live there, but are you suggesting a conspiracy between local cops and the Fibbies? That's some Dave Norton GTA V type theory. Dirty cops are one thing, the feds covering up for them (going so far as refusing to consider the death trial-related) is the other. I find it hard to imagine this king of stuff happening even here, in our Corruption Free Zone, because those who investigate police have their own targets and quotas and plans, and it would take something Illuminaty-grade to help cover up such murder.

 

If the feds were interested in shutting down this trial, I'm sure they had some other tools (mostly bureaucratic) at their disposal. Ours definitely have them. 

8 hours ago, Constable Lego said:

Surprisingly people like to hold members of the law enforcement community to a higher standard than criminals. Imagine that. 

 

Under this philosophy, those same individuals that hold law enforcement to a higher standard should automatically presume that law enforcement shootings are justified until further evidence surfaces proving otherwise. To me, it's illogical to hold law enforcement to a high standard but then automatically assume that they're guilty, or be more likely to declare them guilty before facts and evidence actually release to the public.

 

If we're going to hold the Police to a higher standard, then we should be on their side unless evidence says otherwise. I don't want to see people saying "Oh, another trigger-happy cop". Because those high standards imply that the Police are usually justified in their decisions.

Edited May 2, 20188 yr by TheDivineHustle

9 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Under this philosophy, those same individuals that hold law enforcement to a higher standard should automatically presume that law enforcement shootings are justified until further evidence surfaces proving otherwise. To me, it's illogical to hold law enforcement to a high standard but then automatically assume that they're guilty, or be more likely to declare them guilty before facts and evidence actually release to the public.

 

If we're going to hold the Police to a higher standard, then we should be on their side unless evidence says otherwise. I don't want to see people saying "Oh, another trigger-happy cop". Because those high standards imply that the Police are usually justified in their decisions.

 

You seem to be conflating holding LEOs to a higher standard with high standards of training and undying loyalty/respect. It's absurd to suggest one has to automatically presume law enforcement is justified in everything they do to hold them to a higher standard. The reason questions get asked is because people have higher expectations of the police. 

 

And don't make the mistake of thinking there's an overlap of people who hold LEOs to a higher standard and those who think they are are inherently bad. Twitter, Tumblr, and other social media outlets do not tend to be representative of the general population. The average person does not care when a shooting is reported, and more often than not they most likely will presume the shooting was justified.

 

But in GTALawEnforce's hypothetical scenario, if the media gets hold of footage of a LEO stood around a bleeding out 'gangbanger' not rendering aid or or "shooting first, let IA ask questions later" then questions are going to be rightfully asked. Part of those higher standards is being able to set aside personal beliefs and getting on with the job. 

 

N.b. I do apologise for any grammatical errors, typing this from a phone. 

9 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Under this philosophy, those same individuals that hold law enforcement to a higher standard should automatically presume that law enforcement shootings are justified until further evidence surfaces proving otherwise. To me, it's illogical to hold law enforcement to a high standard but then automatically assume that they're guilty, or be more likely to declare them guilty before facts and evidence actually release to the public.

 

If we're going to hold the Police to a higher standard, then we should be on their side unless evidence says otherwise. I don't want to see people saying "Oh, another trigger-happy cop". Because those high standards imply that the Police are usually justified in their decisions.

Not to get into an argument, really, as yours and mine views are pretty much similar, but to me the "holding to higher standards" concept is slightly different. In my view, it's about demanding more, not allowing more. For example, law enforcement officers are expected to obey traffic laws off-duty just because they're law enforcement officers and should set an example (at least where I'm from).

 

If we hold them to a higher standard, we assume they're more capable, more resourceful and overall more prepared to face worst case scenarios than a Joe Citizen, but we are not required to presume that anything they do is right until proven wrong. It's a very dangerous concept that can hurt society in the long run.

 

At the same time, trusting the police is another matter. I don't presume they're infallible, but I trust them in the majority of cases.

 

16 hours ago, Constable Lego said:

 

You seem to be conflating holding LEOs to a higher standard with high standards of training and undying loyalty/respect. It's absurd to suggest one has to automatically presume law enforcement is justified in everything they do to hold them to a higher standard. The reason questions get asked is because people have higher expectations of the police. 

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I understand your point, but I don't agree. If we're holding law enforcement to a higher standard, then I'd presume them to be justified in (not everything) but most of what they do on a daily basis. That's completely reasonable to me. When I see an officer wrestling with someone, pulling someone over, or arresting someone, I presume that the officer is the one that's correct even though I don't know anything about the situation. It's why people stop to help the Police when they see them fighting with an individual on the side of the road. The chances of the officer being the wrong party in that situation are little to none. When the facts and evidence surface, then I'll make a more sound decision based on what I know. Until then, I'm not siding with some accused criminal over the Police.

 

15 hours ago, Hastings said:

Not to get into an argument, really, as yours and mine views are pretty much similar, but to me the "holding to higher standards" concept is slightly different. In my view, it's about demanding more, not allowing more. For example, law enforcement officers are expected to obey traffic laws off-duty just because they're law enforcement officers and should set an example (at least where I'm from).

 

If we hold them to a higher standard, we assume they're more capable, more resourceful and overall more prepared to face worst case scenarios than a Joe Citizen, but we are not required to presume that anything they do is right until proven wrong. It's a very dangerous concept that can hurt society in the long run.

 

At the same time, trusting the police is another matter. I don't presume they're infallible, but I trust them in the majority of cases.

 

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Of course, I understand what you're saying, man. But in my opinion, if we're going to demand more, then we should be more confident in presuming that law enforcement made the right decision because we're expecting them to meet our high standards. I have low expectations of the Baltimore City Police specifically, for example. So whenever I hear about a situation where Baltimore Police are involved, I presume that they were wrong and unjustified because I don't have very high standards of them, because I don't expect them to make the right decisions based on the circumstances of the city.

Edited May 4, 20188 yr by TheDivineHustle