39 minutes ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

Okay, I'll re frame it, should we disregard the opinions of the minority or the majority? No, but so what trump supporters are in the minority,

"So what" if the minority of the country elected a president? I'm sorry, but I actually care about democracy in America

 

40 minutes ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

you act as if though Trump is bad, he's not, has he said some stupid things, of course, but he's president now, so you'll have to deal with it, nothing we can do about it, all we can do is sit back and let Trump do his job, I'm fairly certain he won't screw up the country. 

The majority of Americans disagree with you that he's "not bad". He's on track to be the most unpopular president to EVER be elected. His approval rating is predicted to be somewhere around 20%. He lost the election by over half a million votes, but still is allowed into office due to an outdated electoral college system that has now given the presidency to TWO incompetent Republicans.

Without being organized, thousands of Americans in every major city in the country have taken to the streets in protest. If you think America is going to roll over, I'm sorry, but you're going to be greatly disappointed. You might not think that he's "not bad", and that's an opinion you can have. But don't act like its a fact, because it most certainly is not.

19 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

"So what" if the minority of the country elected a president? I'm sorry, but I actually care about democracy in America

 

The majority of Americans disagree with you that he's "not bad". He's on track to be the most unpopular president to EVER be elected. His approval rating is predicted to be somewhere around 20%. He lost the election by over half a million votes, but still is allowed into office due to an outdated electoral college system that has now given the presidency to TWO incompetent Republicans.

Without being organized, thousands of Americans in every major city in the country have taken to the streets in protest. If you think America is going to roll over, I'm sorry, but you're going to be greatly disappointed. You might not think that he's "not bad", and that's an opinion you can have. But don't act like its a fact, because it most certainly is not.

 

You know, I support anyone's right to protest, but a lot of these "protests" have turned violent. And before you say it, just because the majority of these "protests" are peaceful, that doesn't excuse starting fires, destroying police cars and one protester even held up calling for the rape of melinia trump! And how I could expect America to "roll over", these people are absolute hypocrites, they Boo Trump when he says he won't accept the results of the election, and yet these same people are out here rioting because of the results. Furthermore, to your last part, Hillary was no saint either, she was arguably worse than Donald Trump, at least he's wasn't a corrupt politician out pushing back Sanders in the primaries!

 

Edited November 14, 20169 yr by TheSandwichStealer

24 minutes ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

 

You know, I support anyone's right to protest, but a lot of these "protests" have turned violent. And before you say it, just because the majority of these "protests" are peaceful, that doesn't excuse starting fires, destroying police cars and one protester even held up calling for the rape of melinia trump! And how I could expect America to "roll over", these people are absolute hypocrites, they Boo Trump when he says he won't accept the results of the election, and yet these same people are out here rioting because of the results. Furthermore, to your last part, Hillary was no saint either, she was arguably worse than Donald Trump, at least he's wasn't a corrupt politician out pushing back Sanders in the primaries

 

Oh boohoo. Trump told his supporters to riot if he lost, and that he would only lose if it was rigged against him. He supported the idea that "2nd Amendment people" should shoot and kill Hillary if she won. We're not protesting because we think it was rigged, we're protesting an undemocratic election system that allowed the most unpopular candidate in history to become President. I don't give a flying fuck about how impolite liberal protesters are. And the vast majority of protests have been peaceful. But once again, nobody cares. And I'm not a Hillary supporter, mind you. I despised her almost as much as Trump.

22 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

Oh boohoo. Trump told his supporters to riot if he lost, and that he would only lose if it was rigged against him. He supported the idea that "2nd Amendment people" should shoot and kill Hillary if she won. We're not protesting because we think it was rigged, we're protesting an undemocratic election system that allowed the most unpopular candidate in history to become President. I don't give a flying fuck about how impolite liberal protesters are. And the vast majority of protests have been peaceful. But once again, nobody cares. And I'm not a Hillary supporter, mind you. I despised her almost as much as Trump.

 

Please show me where trump told his supporters to riot if his opponent won, again you're missing the point, it's pure hypocrisy that people are literally doing the thing they gave trump crap for, don't like the electoral college? Well then how about you and those protesters tell us what is a better system. I'm not even going to go in on your comment about "vast majority of protests are peaceful" clearly you must be living under a rock because they are not. Also, you don't care how impolite they're being? What about all these liberals physically attacking someone because they believe in trump, again that's hypocritical coming from the group of people who are all about "inclusion", yeah right. 

Edited November 14, 20169 yr by TheSandwichStealer

4 minutes ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

 

Please show me where trump told his supporters to riot if his opponent won, again you're missing the point, it's pure hypocrisy that people are literally doing the thing they gave trump crap for, don't like the electoral college? Well then how about you and those protesters tell us what is a better system. I'm not even going to go in on your comment about "vast majority of protests are peaceful" clearly you must be living under a rock because they are not. Also, you don't care how impolite they're being? What about all these liberals physically attacking someone because they believe in trump, again that's hypocritical coming from the group of people who are all about "inclusion", yeah right. 

I'm pretty sure condoning the ASSASSINATION of the opposing candidate is worse than condoning rioting.

 

Geez man, you're really not getting it. I don't know how much I have to spell it out for you. How in the world do you not understand the message of an anti-Trump, anti-electoral college protest? I think its pretty clear that being AGAINST the electoral college is also saying that a popular-vote only system is better. 

 

And what about the countless stories of trump supporters attacking minorities? I'm not going to claim that every liberal is a saint, but it is NOT even. And go read some more about the protests. You're wrong. I've attended three massive protests in Philadelphia, with thousands of people each. No violence. The only person arrested was a trump supporter that attacked someone. Did you just go to some right wing website and read a headline about someone burning the flag, then come tell me that they're mostly violent?

 

I'm done talking to you. You don't know what you're talking about.

9 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

I'm pretty sure condoning the ASSASSINATION of the opposing candidate is worse than condoning rioting.

 

Geez man, you're really not getting it. I don't know how much I have to spell it out for you. How in the world do you not understand the message of an anti-Trump, anti-electoral college protest? I think its pretty clear that being AGAINST the electoral college is also saying that a popular-vote only system is better. 

 

And what about the countless stories of trump supporters attacking minorities? I'm not going to claim that every liberal is a saint, but it is NOT even. And go read some more about the protests. You're wrong. I've attended three massive protests in Philadelphia, with thousands of people each. No violence. The only person arrested was a trump supporter that attacked someone. Did you just go to some right wing website and read a headline about someone burning the flag, then come tell me that they're mostly violent?

 

I'm done talking to you. You don't know what you're talking about.

I completely agree with the right to protest and every other point you bring up. The only thing I don't agree with is changing the electoral college system. If the method of electing a president were to be changed to popular vote, the only place candidates would campaign would be California and New York. The electoral college gives Americans from all over the country a say in politics, and I don't think it should be abolished. 

17 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

I'm pretty sure condoning the ASSASSINATION of the opposing candidate is worse than condoning rioting.

 

Geez man, you're really not getting it. I don't know how much I have to spell it out for you. How in the world do you not understand the message of an anti-Trump, anti-electoral college protest? I think its pretty clear that being AGAINST the electoral college is also saying that a popular-vote only system is better. 

 

And what about the countless stories of trump supporters attacking minorities? I'm not going to claim that every liberal is a saint, but it is NOT even. And go read some more about the protests. You're wrong. I've attended three massive protests in Philadelphia, with thousands of people each. No violence. The only person arrested was a trump supporter that attacked someone. Did you just go to some right wing website and read a headline about someone burning the flag, then come tell me that they're mostly violent?

 

I'm done talking to you. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

Okay, so one protester was arrested for attacking a democratic supporter, but why is that not in the news? Why is it that all of these reports coming show mostly democratic supporters on the attack, I'm not your story isn't true, but that pails in comparison with the numerous attack done on trump supporters, hell there was a story where a mother kicked out her son for voting in a MOCK election for trump, just goes to show you how intolerant these people are. Also you have yet to show me where trump told his supporters to go riot.

 

As for the protest, you can protest all you want, that won't change the outcome of the election, it's been said and done. finally, a question, did you Riley personally go out and vote?

Edited November 14, 20169 yr by TheSandwichStealer

11 minutes ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

Okay, so one protester was arrested for attacking a democratic supporter, but why is that not in the news?

One at THAT rally. And "trump supporter arrested at protest" is a lot less interesting of a story than "protest is happening". Corporate journalism 101

12 minutes ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

Why is it that all of these reports coming show mostly democratic supporters on the attack, I'm not your story isn't true, but that pails in comparison with the numerous attack done on trump supporters, hell there was a story where a mother kicked out her son for voting in a MOCK election for trump, just goes to show you how intolerant these people are. Also you have yet to show me where trump told his supporters to go riot.

Not remotely true. You would only come to that conclusion if you only frequent right-wing news. If you read actual news, you would be drowning in stories of assaults at Trump rallies, Trump-inspired hate crimes, and warnings from civil rights organizations warning of an uptick in attacks. Im not going to waste my time trying to change your mind, go do some more research. 

15 minutes ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

As for the protest, you can protest all you want, that won't change the outcome of the election, it's been said and done. finally, a question, did you Riley personally go out and vote?

Yes. Did you?

11 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

One at THAT rally. And "trump supporter arrested at protest" is a lot less interesting of a story than "protest is happening". Corporate journalism 101

Not remotely true. You would only come to that conclusion if you only frequent right-wing news. If you read actual news, you would be drowning in stories of assaults at Trump rallies, Trump-inspired hate crimes, and warnings from civil rights organizations warning of an uptick in attacks. I'm not going to waste my time trying to change your mind, go do some more research. 

Yes. Did you?

 

Yes I did vote, so yeah people have been attacked at Trump rallies and so have protesters at Hillary rallies, both sides have there share of crazy people, and if Clinton won the election, trump supporters would be all on Twitter complaining. One thing should be said though, people voted for trump because they felt he was best qualified for the job, they didn't vote for him because he's "evil" and they like evil, plain and simple. 

 

As I said originally, people need to stay calm and wait to see what trump can deliver, people are overacting. Also one more thing, for all of you who think Trump is going to build the wall, he's not, he simply doesn't have the resources. 

10 minutes ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

 

Yes I did vote, so yeah people have been attacked at Trump rallies and so have protesters at Hillary rallies, both sides have there share of crazy people, and if Clinton won the election, trump supporters would be all on Twitter complaining. One thing should be said though, people voted for trump because they felt he was best qualified for the job, they didn't vote for him because he's "evil" and they like evil, plain and simple. 

 

As I said originally, people need to stay calm and wait to see what trump can deliver, people are overacting. Also one more thing, for all of you who think Trump is going to build the wall, he's not, he simply doesn't have the resources. 

You have been MASSIVELY mislead if you think its "even". At this point, I don't want to argue with you, I want to help you lol. And I agree overall that we shouldn't freak out, which is why the protests I went to were largely about love and solidarity with minorities groups attacked by Trump. Trump has been a lifelong loser. He achieves great success and bungles it nearly every time. If his record is correct, he'll bungle his presidency and either get nothing done or get himself impeached. 

 

But on the other hand there's a chance he'll send us to war with Iran, which is a HUGE issue.

Edited November 14, 20169 yr by Riley24

6 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

You have been MASSIVELY mislead if you think its "even". And I agree overall that we shouldn't freak out, which is why the protests I went to were largely about love and solidarity with minorities groups attacked by Trump. Trump has been a lifelong loser. He achieves great success and bungles it nearly every time. If his record is correct, he'll bungle his presidency and either get nothing done or get himself impeached. 

 

Which is why we should not jump to conclusions without all the facts present.

2 hours ago, TheSandwichStealer said:

 

Which is why we should not jump to conclusions without all the facts present.

What facts do you need? He just appointed a white nationalist as the White House Chief Strategist. 

13 hours ago, Riley24 said:

Oh boohoo. Trump told his supporters to riot if he lost, and that he would only lose if it was rigged against him. He supported the idea that "2nd Amendment people" should shoot and kill Hillary if she won. 

Do you mind posting a link to that quote? I'm a foreigner but followed your elections pretty closely I believe, but somehow I missed this moment when one candidate proposed to kill another. 

47 minutes ago, Hastings said:

Do you mind posting a link to that quote? I'm a foreigner but followed your elections pretty closely I believe, but somehow I missed this moment when one candidate proposed to kill another. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

 

Basically he implied that if she won, "Second Amendment people" should kill her to prevent her from picking Supreme Court justices. It is incredibly clear what he meant by it. 

17 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

 

Basically he implied that if she won, "Second Amendment people" should kill her to prevent her from picking Supreme Court justices. It is incredibly clear what he meant by it. 

Ah, I see. Thanks for the link. It's good she lost then. 

4 hours ago, Hastings said:

Ah, I see. Thanks for the link. It's good she lost then. 

Its good she lost because right wing terrorists couldn't help but kill her? That's one way to frame it...

I hold a view not supporting one specific person, I think they are both utterly terrible Presidential Candidates, and so on-wards. However it's quite clear that regardless of their past was more experienced to run a country. I'm sorry if this offends any Trump supporters, but running a hotel business is not the same as running the biggest economy in the world, with the biggest military in the world.

Whilst I think Hillary is nothing short of a criminal, at the same time, if I was an American I would hold more faith in her to execute her duty the best. I think my biggest problem that I noticed about both campaigns was all these promises with no explanation of how they was going to be achieved.

For example Trumps wall of wonders - he is going to make Mexico build it and pay for it. How? I am just thinking of the Mexican President's reply when he gets asked to build it.

I think my overall summary is that whilst Hillary is nothing short of scum, i'd rather he expertise and political knowledge be used in a political position rather than a business knowledge being used in a political position.

1 hour ago, Ben said:

I hold a view not supporting one specific person, I think they are both utterly terrible Presidential Candidates, and so on-wards. However it's quite clear that regardless of their past was more experienced to run a country. I'm sorry if this offends any Trump supporters, but running a hotel business is not the same as running the biggest economy in the world, with the biggest military in the world.

Whilst I think Hillary is nothing short of a criminal, at the same time, if I was an American I would hold more faith in her to execute her duty the best. I think my biggest problem that I noticed about both campaigns was all these promises with no explanation of how they was going to be achieved.

For example Trumps wall of wonders - he is going to make Mexico build it and pay for it. How? I am just thinking of the Mexican President's reply when he gets asked to build it.

I think my overall summary is that whilst Hillary is nothing short of scum, i'd rather he expertise and political knowledge be used in a political position rather than a business knowledge being used in a political position.

 

 

Apparently, Donald Trump plans to use "economic force" on Mexico in order to make them pay for the wall. Increased trade tariffs, cancellation of visas, higher fees for border-crossing cards.

 

Since Trump as won the presidency, the Mexican president has actually vowed to work with him. The value of the Mexican peso is also dropping, and has dropped drastically since Trump won the election. We'll see how things turn out though.

Edited November 14, 20169 yr by TheDivineHustle

4 hours ago, Ben said:

I hold a view not supporting one specific person, I think they are both utterly terrible Presidential Candidates, and so on-wards. However it's quite clear that regardless of their past was more experienced to run a country. I'm sorry if this offends any Trump supporters, but running a hotel business is not the same as running the biggest economy in the world, with the biggest military in the world.

Whilst I think Hillary is nothing short of a criminal, at the same time, if I was an American I would hold more faith in her to execute her duty the best. I think my biggest problem that I noticed about both campaigns was all these promises with no explanation of how they was going to be achieved.

For example Trumps wall of wonders - he is going to make Mexico build it and pay for it. How? I am just thinking of the Mexican President's reply when he gets asked to build it.

I think my overall summary is that whilst Hillary is nothing short of scum, i'd rather he expertise and political knowledge be used in a political position rather than a business knowledge being used in a political position.

 

Lincoln had little political experience, and with the little he had, he went to become one of the greatest presidents of his time.

After the Democrats destroyed this country even further for eight years, I'm glad a Republican President (as well as a Republican-majority House, Senate, and Congress) is finally a reality. Obama is a good man (and has amazing charisma), but as a President, I don't think he did the best job. That's just my opinion. 

Donald Trump is a very smart man, and I've always admired him. He's said some bad stuff about woman, and he's rough around the edges, but I think he may turn out to be a breath of fresh air. The same old status quo obviously isn't working, we need a different direction. We need a fresh perspective, someone who's an outsider to politics.