It was a B-52 that was accidentally loaded with live nuclear weapons.

Al queda, or any other semi small terriost organization (I say small because they don't have easy funding, when I say easy, I mean income, not some crazy Russian, as well as low numbers as actual members, but alot of followers like Al queda) could never afford/actually acquire a full on nuke, why?

1. Cost, a few blown nuke would be so far out of their price range, plus the actual chance of finding one (After almost all the countrys/russia and america agreed to destroy their caches) would be extremely hard.

2. Smuggling, its not easy to smuggle one, and people talk, no matter how much you pay, when people talk/money is thrown around, some one is bound to find out, and when that happens, action is taken.

3. Setting it off, Truthfully, if any terrorist organization ACTUALLY acquired a real nuke, the fact to actually smuggle it into a place like NY would be practically impossible, all the things placed to make that from happening, plus how paranoid we are.

The only real way a terriost could actually get any nuclear weapon is by creating a "Dirty bomb" Out of in riched uranium. (Which there is a TON, plus around 50 of these deals are killed each year, other than that, other deals are unknown at this time)

Edited April 8, 201214 yr by JAM-Justin35

@Slimory, all this thread is doing is slinging stereotypes and preconceptions. It is wrong and ignorant to believe that all Americans want war.

All i have read so far, is maybe 1 or 2 people do not support the war as 1 quote said "let WW3 reign",

i have yet to still be proved wrong that this is not true, i don't really care about the politic's of war, i leave that to politician's with the wonderful job that they are doing thus far..

@everyone that told me about the crash:

I got F-d. Sorry, I didn't know. I thought I heard that so and so people died in the crash.

@Slimory: No, I said IF WWIII reined, we would be prepared. Sorry for any inconvienience.

@Jam: There's still possibility someone such as Osama could have done something, especially in those ten years, where he basically had some of his "rep" with other terrorists. He could have done something. When people think WTC was an inside job, it can be true. He could have used bombs, meaning, he had bombs therefore giving him access to more advanced weaponary. That's what other terrorists do. We don't need a nuke a minute. We don't need 3,000 more people to die. We don't need some more terrorists. Having some of the most advanced technology in the world, we have to use it properly. We can't let it out in the open. We can't afford to lose it. Even so, Bush was not "the best" president in USA. He let things like 9/11 happen. If that never happened, we would have a better world. We could create safe technology with more peace. There would be better economies.

I'm not a fan of Bush at all, but how exactly did he come close to letting 911 happen? He's a president, he can't button down everything, they have bigger issues to worry about (What I mean by this is internal national security) It was the jobs of TSA/Other facilities that were put in place to make sure stuff like this didn't happen, and they out smarted us, before 911, everything was fine and dandy, nobody, even people with intelligence on the Taliban, could have predicted that America would come under attack, especially the President, but now, because of this, everything that has ever come close to becoming under attack is so closey watched we don't have the man power to watch everything else, witch is a big issue.

At this point, I'm sure if you walked into a room full of terriorsists and suggested "Hey, lets hijack a plane!" They would all laugh at you because, 911 happened, everything is so buttoned down in the airports its not even funny, hell, GTA IV makes fun of how scared we are of terrorists now.

Oh, and also, @your statement about how we can't let it out in the open, it already has, as I stated in my original post, every year, at least 50 stolen/deals of stolen Enriched uranium is found being sold on the black market, and that's not even covering what we don't know.

Edited April 8, 201214 yr by JAM-Justin35

All i have read so far, is maybe 1 or 2 people do not support the war as 1 quote said "let WW3 reign",

i have yet to still be proved wrong that this is not true, i don't really care about the politic's of war, i leave that to politician's with the wonderful job that they are doing thus far..

What you're saying here is exactly the same as me calling all Canadians winmps and hippies. Which is of course, not true.

@Jam

He could have checked WTC. It was a massive center. There should have been people looking around for things like that. Bush should have been watching. It wouldn't have been as bad if he could have done something to watch it. He should have known to watch the biggest city in US. And I know people are becoming more secure, but not enough. What's happening? Bombs. I mean, even in Chicago, you see a police officer every five blocks. Still, the buildings' security isn't enough. The Willis Tower has one tiny little metal detector with two guys. Even they're not armed. They where some very liight suits. Not enough for the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere.

As for the next statement, terrorists still find ways, whether it's buying a helicopter/private plane and sabotationing another plane, or getting smarter and going throught the airport safer, but on the plane harder. They still have ways to hijack planes. It may not be easy, but they can do it. GTA IV does do that, but it shows what they can do.

That's what I mean, we can't let it happen anymore, or else our world will end it ashes, blood, and dead bodies. We will have to keep this world clean and clear.

Edited April 8, 201214 yr by theninja35

@Jam

He could have checked WTC. It was a massive center. There should have been people looking around for things like that. Bush should have been watching. It wouldn't have been as bad if he could have done something to watch it. He should have known to watch the biggest city in US. And I know people are becoming more secure, but not enough. What's happening? Bombs. I mean, even in Chicago, you see a police officer every five blocks. Still, the buildings' security isn't enough. The Willis Tower has one tiny little metal detector with two guys. Even they're not armed. They where some very liight suits. Not enough for the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere.

WTC had just about the best security of any office building in the country (keep in mind it was bombed in 1993). What else would you have had them do? Expect something that had never happened before? Keep in mind that before 9/11, hijackings were done, not to crash the plane into something, but to get hostages to hold either for ransom or for political reasons.

What you're saying here is exactly the same as me calling all Canadians winmps and hippies. Which is of course, not true.

just because i don't support the war doesn't make me a wimp or hippy, next your going to say we live in igloo's..

so because i don't believe in the war or shooting people for someone elses interest's that makes me a "wimp"?

@c13: Your comment sort of implies that Russia, Iran, China, India, and Pakistan are all allied. While many of them are, India and Pakistan are less allied than just about any other pair of countries on Earth.

Russia and China are allied, and they are trying to get Pakistan and India to join the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. They would be willing to set their differences aside if WW3 would break out so they could have a strong defense in their area.

WTC had just about the best security of any office building in the country (keep in mind it was bombed in 1993). What else would you have had them do? Expect something that had never happened before? Keep in mind that before 9/11, hijackings were done, not to crash the plane into something, but to get hostages to hold either for ransom or for political reasons.

If you read into the 9/11 investigation it was noted that there were warning signs and red flags that an attack on the US was imminent. Intelligence agencies had forewarned both the Bush and Clinton administration that attacks were possible however due to "institutional" failings (mainly internal measuring contests, government politics) such attacks were deemed not possible or impossible.

Also keep in mind that prior to 9/11, terrorism existed and that the threats against Western countries was and still is existent.

If I learned anything in my six years in the Army, it's never underestimate your enemy EVER, doesn't matter if there some poor third world, poverty stricken, rag wearing non-educated person; if they have a means they will find a way. That is exactly the mentality that has not only been shown in this thread but by the majority of non-military members that I meet and talk to.

Unfortunately we will never win against Terrorism ever. Terrorism has existed and will exist for some time, as long as you have two different opinions there will always be war and terrorism and this isn't me being a defeatist, it's reality.

I agree with wmai20, I don't want to have to go to another funeral or see my friends and co-workers battle PTSD and suicidal thoughts because of what he has seen.

I'm curious besides wmai20 and I, who else is military?

Edited April 8, 201214 yr by Comm

President Bush's involvement in 9/11 and the resulting anti-terrorist acts was very little. There were committees formed to handle this as well as Vice President Dick Cheney. Also the U.S. knew about the 9/11 attacks, however the failure to stop them had nothing to do with the President.

The C.I.A is a U.S. agency that gathers and investigates foreign intelligence. The C.I.A. is an internal agency meaning that any information they gather is not shared outside of their walls.

The F.B.I. is a U.S. agency that gathers intelligence on and investigates domestic crimes.

The C.I.A had known that something was planned, they tracked a few (I believe it was about 5) of the suspected terrorists into the United States. At the point that they entered the U.S. the C.I.A. lost jurisdiction and stopped tracking them. This is where the F.B.I. jurisdiction begins, however since the C.I.A. is an internal agency it failed - or could not - relay this information and profiles on these suspected terrorists to the F.B.I. for farther investigation.

It was a lack of communication and organizations not wanting to break policy or talk to other organizations that let these attacks happen, not who was in the presidency.

Edited April 8, 201214 yr by Sgt Stullick

just because i don't support the war doesn't make me a wimp or hippy, next your going to say we live in igloo's..

so because i don't believe in the war or shooting people for someone elses interest's that makes me a "wimp"?

That's kind of his point.

That's kind of his point.

it takes a bigger man to walk away.

Um, I don't think you get this. His point is not that Canadians are wimps, because that is completely false (for two reasons: not supporting a war != being wimp, and one person != Canada). His point is that saying "You support this war, so pretty much your whole country is incredibly aggressive" is a BS argument.

Edited April 8, 201214 yr by cp702

Just to clarify, I was using that as an example. I don't actually believe that Canadians are the afformentioned names.

Edited April 8, 201214 yr by Codz

@ a few people.

See, even when tracking people, they could have been checked and arrested at that time, rather than wait until something happens. It was horrible to see it. But even though this did happen, it should have been stopped before it happened. Many people were pissed and F-d. Many people lost family members. There are movies on it. I mean, if this didn't happen, our world would have less terrorism and people supporting it. It's not okay. Bad things like 9/11 need to stop. And we will stop them, maybe not today, maybe not in a Millenium, but we will stop it. We have God on our side. (Sorry if you don't believe in God, it's okay). We have allies. We have power, support, and friends. As long as we do things and test safer things, we will get safer, and have a better economy. I don't think anything like 9/11 will happen, but if it does, we better reduce the kill level, and keep it down and safe. We don't want that to happen again. Some people say they saw the devil in smoke of 9/11, that let's us know we just F-d the world up. It was not cool. We have the people, the world, anything we can use on our side to stop terrorism. It is possible to end it. Now let's do it.

the only reason i started this thread, was just to get everyones thought's on the war, i wasn't bashing american's or your country, wasn't trying to offend or "nitpick" at anyone, i have no issue with debate nor are all my views on the subject right to other's, but hey, we're all entitled to our opinion's, that's what a free country is all about in my opinion, freedom of speech.

Do I support blowing the middle east off the map? Yes, definatley. Do I support the US worrying about other people's business and bitching to our allies? No. The US should either destroy the middle east (remove ROE entirely). That's what wins wars. We began trying to "win hearts and minds" in Vietnam, and look where it got us. We're fighting an unknown enemy, and Iraq collapsed years ago. The US needs to back out and worry about problems here.

Do I support blowing the middle east off the map? Yes, definatley. Do I support the US worrying about other people's business and bitching to our allies? No. The US should either destroy the middle east (remove ROE entirely). That's what wins wars. We began trying to "win hearts and minds" in Vietnam, and look where it got us. We're fighting an unknown enemy, and Iraq collapsed years ago. The US needs to back out and worry about problems here.

I really hope you're joking. If not.....you are advocating genocide on a greater level than the holocaust.