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Edited November 14, 20178 yr by Account Deleted

So first of all, Kudos to the involved officers for handling this situation extremely professionally...

So what do you guys think about all of this? Oh, and please don't make this a race issue, or even bring race into it.

Professionally? Not sure how professional smacking your truncheon on the side of a car and cursing at the driver is nowadays, but those are modern times I suppose.

Not sure where race could come in play here, I see two white cops and one white suspect. But who knows.

The whole situation was very interesting I'll admit. I do question why the officers didn't just open his door and pull him out. This is the first time I've ever seen the police just hit the door with an ASP or nightstick, whatever it was they were equipped with. Most of the time, from what I've seen, the police would bust the window and pull him out before it escalated any further. I'm not a cop so I can only judge from what little knowledge I have on police protocol. They did deploy the pepper spray, which that clearly didn't work too well on the driver. I think that the goofiest part of the entire situation is the fact that the driver actually got away, according to the video title. Overall I think that the police did an exceptional job here, just I would have personally been a bit more aggressive as to not get ran over. Again, I'm not a cop so I can't really say whether or not they did everything right, but I would have probably done a bit more given the circumstances. If he would have attempted to run anyone over, then I would have probably shot him. I'm not going to just stand there and let him murder innocent people or other officers. It's either him or me, and it's going to be him ten fold.

Edit: Also as a side note, it's very hard for me to defend an officer on the fronts of professionalism and expertise when they use profanity. Of course in a situation like this, almost anyone would use profanity, that's understandable. Even then, it's just hard for me to defend a cop that swears at people.

Edited September 1, 201510 yr by TheDivineHustle

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/salt-spring-island-rcmp-officer-injured-after-impaired-driver-check-turns-violent-1.3209131

Read the news story and make sure to watch the video!

 

So first of all, Kudos to the involved officers for handling this situation extremely professionally, and having this much patience with the guy. I hope the injured officer fully recovers quickly. This situation could have easily ended very differently, very quickly. The suspect in this is, well, your classic example of an idiot. Remember, this took place on an island, there is no road that goes in and out, you gotta wait for the ferry. As one of the guys in the video says at the very end: "Where does he think he's going?" Good question, I say!

One good thing came out of this, looks like the detachment in question will be getting two brand new vehicles soon, maybe one of those new 2015 Tahoes, because BC has started rolling those out already.

 

So what do you guys think about all of this? Oh, and please don't make this a race issue, or even bring race into it.

 

That's freaking insane. And in Canada of all places! =O

Pardon my French...

But what a fucking asshole...

Pardon my French...

But what a fucking asshole...

I know right? >.<

The whole situation was very interesting I'll admit. I do question why the officers didn't just open his door and pull him out. This is the first time I've ever seen the police just hit the door with an ASP or nightstick, whatever it was they were equipped with. Most of the time, from what I've seen, the police would bust the window and pull him out before it escalated any further. I'm not a cop so I can only judge from what little knowledge I have on police protocol. They did deploy the pepper spray, which that clearly didn't work too well on the driver. I think that the goofiest part of the entire situation is the fact that the driver actually got away, according to the video title. Overall I think that the police did an exceptional job here, just I would have personally been a bit more aggressive as to not get ran over. Again, I'm not a cop so I can't really say whether or not they did everything right, but I would have probably done a bit more given the circumstances. If he would have attempted to run anyone over, then I would have probably shot him. I'm not going to just stand there and let him murder innocent people or other officers. It's either him or me, and it's going to be him ten fold.

Edit: Also as a side note, it's very hard for me to defend an officer on the fronts of professionalism and expertise when they use profanity. Of course in a situation like this, almost anyone would use profanity, that's understandable. Even then, it's just hard for me to defend a cop that swears at people.

The RCMP members did manage to get the door open, as you can see in the video, but it appears the occupant then closed the door and proceeded to lock it, which led to the members deploying pepper spray and batons, so as to prevent any firearms needing to be involved.

 

Overall, you have to really put yourself in the RCMP members' shoes, and imagine how much adrenaline they are going through. Unfortunately we don't live in a G rated world and yes, police officers will use profanity. So what? When you're in a situation like this, words escape you. Sure they are better choice words, but when you are witnessing someone smashing your cruisers and threatening your buddies life, your life, and everyone elses life, I sure as hell am not going to be like "please, get out of the car". It's no more Mr. Nice Guy after that.

Edited September 1, 201510 yr by Termination

The RCMP members did manage to get the door open, as you can see in the video, but it appears the occupant then closed the door and proceeded to lock it, which led to the members deploying pepper spray and batons, so as to prevent any firearms needing to be involved.

 

Overall, you have to really put yourself in the RCMP members' shoes, and imagine how much adrenaline they are going through. Unfortunately we don't live in a G rated world and yes, police officers will use profanity. So what? When you're in a situation like this, words escape you. Sure they are better choice words, but when you are witnessing someone smashing your cruisers and threatening your buddies life, your life, and everyone elses life, I sure as hell am not going to be like "please, get out of the car".

This. Not every officer in Canada is a trigger-happy arsehole who'll shot someone without reason or a second thought depending on the situation. And also people who use the race-card have no bloody clue on what they are talking about. 

The RCMP members did manage to get the door open, as you can see in the video, but it appears the occupant then closed the door and proceeded to lock it, which led to the members deploying pepper spray and batons, so as to prevent any firearms needing to be involved.

 

Overall, you have to really put yourself in the RCMP members' shoes, and imagine how much adrenaline they are going through. Unfortunately we don't live in a G rated world and yes, police officers will use profanity. So what? When you're in a situation like this, words escape you. Sure they are better choice words, but when you are witnessing someone smashing your cruisers and threatening your buddies life, your life, and everyone elses life, I sure as hell am not going to be like "please, get out of the car". It's no more Mr. Nice Guy after that.

I understand, I think the officers did an exceptionally good job in preserving the safety of everyone involved. I can't really say that it's a win all around due to the fact that the guy got away, destroyed two police cars, and injured an officer. I just don't think that the pepper spray and batons worked at all, otherwise the guy wouldn't have gotten away after being trapped for so long, and doing that much damage to the police cars. Of course if I were in this situation, I'd have probably said the exact same thing the officers said, but that doesn't necessarily make it appropriate.

I'm not gonna lie, I would have swore 10x as much as these guys, so kudos to them. The only thing is that it's just very hard to defend an officer's professionalism when they use profanity against anyone. It's simply not professional, at least here in America it isn't. Police officers are supposed to enforce the law, maintain public trust, keep the peace, and remain professional. The professionalism was lost, but as I've already said it was lost with good reason. If an officer were to say to me "Get out of the fucking car right now, open the fucking door" I wouldn't feel too comfortable. Rather than continue with verbals and profanity and vulgarity, I would have stepped up aggression. Busting open the windows and moving from there, as it appeared the officers were only hitting the doors. Glad the officers are OK, but the guy got away; that's the bottom line.

We can sit here all day and judge their actions, but these officers had seconds to make their decisions. We have forever. 

Edited September 1, 201510 yr by TheDivineHustle

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Edited November 14, 20178 yr by Account Deleted

Good news was that he was apprehended under the Mental Health Act after trapping himself in his flipped SUV with an axe and threatened to light the SUV on fire with lighter fluid.

 

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Edited November 14, 20178 yr by Account Deleted

I guess he wanted to set that Blazer ablaze. See what I did there? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

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Edited November 14, 20178 yr by Account Deleted

To reach in and drag a person from a vehicle that will potentially go mobile, or is spinning tires, or ramming vehicles is extremely dangerous for police.  A very high risk of being dragged, pulled, or caught in the seatbelt as the vehicle drives off.  For any Americans reading this, Canada has a very different use of force method compared to the USA, and the RCMP has some very specific policies that could not be applied in this case.

For example, RCMP are restricted for the most part from shooting at vehicles, or parts of vehicles, including tires. Shooting the driver is fair game, but in this specific case out of the question.

A restrictive firearms policy.  A police officer or someone must be in immediate life threatening danger for a firearm to be discharged.  They cannot shoot to apprehend, unless they believe (and im going to paraphrase here) that he is imminently planning and intending or surely cause harm to others should he escape. 

A very restrictive pursuit policy.  Stolen vehicles, traffic offences, impaired driving are for the most part not pursued without extenuating circumstance, and with great personal liability to the police officer.

 

I think they did the best they could, given the tools they had.  I was thinking a spike strip could have worked, but I have a feeling with the large tires it would have been ineffective.  But they caught their guy, it just took him crashing a few minutes away to do it.  I think the swearing is a non issue. Given the stress its understandable, they're only as human as anyone else.

To reach in and drag a person from a vehicle that will potentially go mobile, or is spinning tires, or ramming vehicles is extremely dangerous for police.  A very high risk of being dragged, pulled, or caught in the seatbelt as the vehicle drives off.  For any Americans reading this, Canada has a very different use of force method compared to the USA, and the RCMP has some very specific policies that could not be applied in this case.

For example, RCMP are restricted for the most part from shooting at vehicles, or parts of vehicles, including tires. Shooting the driver is fair game, but in this specific case out of the question.

A restrictive firearms policy.  A police officer or someone must be in immediate life threatening danger for a firearm to be discharged.  They cannot shoot to apprehend, unless they believe (and im going to paraphrase here) that he is imminently planning and intending or surely cause harm to others should he escape. 

A very restrictive pursuit policy.  Stolen vehicles, traffic offences, impaired driving are for the most part not pursued without extenuating circumstance, and with great personal liability to the police officer.

 

I think they did the best they could, given the tools they had.  I was thinking a spike strip could have worked, but I have a feeling with the large tires it would have been ineffective.  But they caught their guy, it just took him crashing a few minutes away to do it.  I think the swearing is a non issue. Given the stress its understandable, they're only as human as anyone else.

Thank you. 

alot of older guys in this province who drink lots and smoke cigarettes have a real asshole mentality and this is proof of why these types of people should be reeducated or eliminated from society